Uniquefire UF-T20 mod: 3.05A xpg2-3C dedomed on Sinkpad

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austime wrote:
I would put in an xm-l2, but only have xml on hand. Yes sinkpad, but attached with fujik. So even though the driver is capable of 10amps+ (what I have measured with basically the same driver on an srk), and the battery is supposed to be able to do 15amps, something stops it going to these levels? Sorry if that's a dumb question. I've tried to read up and understand, but not quite there yet.

The XM-L has a slightly lower voltage than the XM-L2 but that should not matter much. The current is limited because a)the XM-L2's voltage at 8A is already 4.2V, add up the various small resistances in the rest of the system and you will only end up with lower current that that, b)even the best high current battery will not be able to maintain its 4.2V voltage at higher currents (see the various HKJ battery reviews). So no worries, it will be even a challenge to get it over 6A.

Btw, try to make the fujik layer as thin as you can get it, getting as much as possible metal-metal contact.

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. This is how the recycling light collar custom made for the Trustfire X7 looks : !{width:70%}[IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/nbp060.jpg[/IMG]![/quote]

 

This is something you made?   Do you have a thread about it?    Have you tested the actual ouput results using this collar vs a Wavien?

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austime wrote:
I would put in an xm-l2, but only have xml on hand. Yes sinkpad, but attached with fujik. So even though the driver is capable of 10amps+ (what I have measured with basically the same driver on an srk), and the battery is supposed to be able to do 15amps, something stops it going to these levels? Sorry if that’s a dumb question. I’ve tried to read up and understand, but not quite there yet.

What’s stopping it is the Vf, while in a multi emitter/multi-cell setup the FET drivers can do up to the maximum rating of the FET / cell combo however running that high the Vf is the limiting factor in a single cell setup. Most of us see sound 5-6.5A (out of the best 4.2v INR cells like 25R’s and VTC5’s) to a single XM-L2 and about 5-5.5A to an XP-G2. You will need to use a buck driver with higher input voltage to get above that, it’s just not possible with a linear setup cause the cell can’t support the increasing Vf.

From 4.2v in (using 4 Parallel 25R’s in an SRK) the highest I’ve been able to obtain is 21A to 3p XM-L2’s (which averages out to nearly 7A per emitter plus a little burn off). I do not believe anyone has been able to get a linear FET driver to do above ~7A per 3v emitter tho there are several buck drivers that can run a 3v emitter at >8A. I have a few 6v MT-G2 lights that run the same FET driver at 11.3A and also have a series light (3s XP-g2’s and 3s cells) that runs the same FET driver at 15A.

You could switch to 4.35v cells but the real world gains would be probably <.5A more. You could also switch to 26650’s or 32650’s but the real world gains would be even less.

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borg wrote:

Focusing is very demanding, a difference in height of 1/10 mm can badly defocus the reflection!!
So how did you achieve 1/10 mm accuracy? Did you use spacers?
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I used pieces of tape as spacers.

My Uf-T20 measured at 170Kcd .

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vestureofblood, I did not finish the X7 project, maybe one day Smile . The collar was custom cut from aluminium at a CNC machine shop.

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What about the angle of the collar? How is that done, is it special for the led, or constant but based on the width of the collar or based on the necronomicon and the guy from army of darkness?

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It’s time to revive this thread again :bigsmile:
I’ve modded mine a while ago with a de-domed xml2, but not on copper.
I just made a couple of tailcap measurements; with a trustfire flames battery I got ~2.2A. Then I tried a keeppower imr 2500, and got 3.5A.
I have some kind of luxmeter on my multimeter, that can use for rough comparisons. With the trustfire I got ~550, but with the keeppower I got ~250.
I had to check if I accidentally had changed to low, but no. Turns out it can’t cope with the heat.
So I’m thinking I’ll have to reflow the dedomed xml2 to one of the copper stars I bought from banggood a while ago and solder the star directly to the pill.
Do I have to order solder paste or can I use regular solder as well for this?

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OscarM wrote:
It's time to revive this thread again :bigsmile: I've modded mine a while ago with a de-domed xml2, but not on copper. I just made a couple of tailcap measurements; with a trustfire flames battery I got ~2.2A. Then I tried a keeppower imr 2500, and got 3.5A. I have some kind of luxmeter on my multimeter, that can use for rough comparisons. With the trustfire I got ~550, but with the keeppower I got ~250. I had to check if I accidentally had changed to low, but no. Turns out it can't cope with the heat. So I'm thinking I'll have to reflow the dedomed xml2 to one of the copper stars I bought from banggood a while ago and solder the star directly to the pill. Do I have to order solder paste or can I use regular solder as well for this?

Might as well do the 100th post of this thread myself Smile

If you do yourself a favor, get some solder paste, this stuff is cheap and worked well for many people. I'm surprised that the XM-L2 does not like 3A, it should be alright, also on a common aluminium board. Was the board clamped down to the pill somehow? (screwed, or with a thin layer of thermal adhesive)

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Ok, it’s worth waiting for that stuff to arrive from China then…
I used heatsink plaster, some stars-922 probably ordered from ft. It was held in place with alligator clips during the curing time. The current might have been over 3.5, maybe 3.9A even.
It’s the original driver, high/low/strobe, didn’t know the numbers could get that high with spring bypasses.

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Although paste is easier he could do it with rosin core solder and 5$ heat gun. Flux it a bit and just heat pill a lot and when solder starts to melt put mcpcb with led(press it) and finished.

Is that method invented by you Djozz? I think you first started with mcpcb to brass soldering.

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FWIW, if anyone is wanting to do the thing where you project an image through a loupe, it actually works better with a regular XM-L2 than it does with a de-domed XP-G2. Throw isn’t as important for that as lumens; you simply have to get as many lumens as possible into the loupe.

I got a UF-T20 a while back to throw-mod it, but I ended up leaving it stock to use as a projection light… and got a Jax Z1 for throw instead.

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luminarium iaculator wrote:

Is that method invented by you Djozz? I think you first started with mcpcb to brass soldering.

I did make that up and posted about it in this thread, but others mentioned that they had been thinking about that too. Undecided

edit: I think the most significant point of this thread is that it was the first time that the implications of match's then very recent tests of Cree leds on Sinkpads were explored in a flashlight. From his graphs it was crystal clear that XP-G2's (and XM-L2's) on Sinkpads could be overdriven to at least twice the specifications, but people were a bit reluctant to read/trust a bench test (match did see it immediately btw). And back in 2013 the common believe (it still is actually) was that driving leds hard (3A through a XP-G2 was unheard of until match's tests) required massive chunks of copper everywhere, and  in this build I realised (as well as match who already mentioned in the test thread that it was no fun anymore with these Sinkpads, too easy, and that he had build his last copper pill, and then he retired Sad ) that just the very near surrounding of the emitter (the DTP-path under the led) required careful attention to the heatpath, further away any limited heatconducting measure will be fine (the T20 pill screws into a rather thin aluminium tube, but with that socalled 'bottleneck' present, in 10 minutes (surprising to me) the throw went just down from 108 to 102 kcd which is totally insignificant.

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+1 for what djozz said above. As long as one uses DTP board the LED should be fine, and there is no need to have copper everywhere in your flashlights unless it is for other reasons.

I have modded a Convoy C8 for one of my friends before by driving a dedomed XM-L2 at 4.2A reflowed on a 20mm Noctigon. On high mode it was measured 90kcd at startup and 89kcd at 1 minute, very insignificant output drop and it was still the stock aluminium pill inside, didn’t add any extra copper plates in the aluminium pill as some sort of “heat buffer” either.

But I know some people still believe that using lotsa coppers does make a difference, or maybe it is just for the peace of their mind. Well, each to his own I guess. Smile

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djozz wrote:
luminarium iaculator wrote:

Is that method invented by you Djozz? I think you first started with mcpcb to brass soldering.

I did make that up and posted about it in this thread, but others mentioned that they had been thinking about that too. …
in this build I realised (as well as match who already mentioned in the test thread that it was no fun anymore with these Sinkpads, too easy, and that he had build his last copper pill, and then he retired Sad ) that just the very near surrounding of the emitter (the DTP-path under the led) required careful attention to the heatpath, further away any limited heatconducting measure will be fine …

That was you?

I don’t think I had even done my first mod at the time.

Thanks for paving the way forward! Smile

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Thanks for paving the way forward! :)

Well, actually, I did, and match did, and Sinkpad, and Cree, and Uniquefire who made this nice host for cheap, and Wolf Eyes who did the original design, and then comfychair did his FET-magic, and...

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Okay, okay. I get it. Standing on the shoulders of giants, yada yada. I can dig being humble. But almost all progress is largely remixing the work of others with a little extra, so it still counts as a contribution worth recognizing. And besides, it’s far from the only thing you’ve done here. Smile

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Someone may have done it a few days earlier here.  Not claiming I invented it though.  It was just obvious copper and brass solder well to each other.  Surely, I wasn't the first.

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I’m pretty sure I actually invented soldering altogether. You guys need to start paying back royalties.

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Btw, did I mention that I invented the flashlight? I was hanging around with Edison and Volta back then and decided to combine a few things. 

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I made the first portable, rechargeable “torch”.

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I invented fire.

Good day.

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Not portable, thus not related to flashlights.

BAN HIM!!!!

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Not portable, thus not related to flashlights.

Au Contraire
I take it everywhere with me

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if you want a super trow from UF T20 do this:

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I'm not familiar with night vision and the 'doubler lens', looks like a part from elsewhere that was found to fit on the T20

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penumbra wrote:
if you want a super trow from UF T20 do this:

here


Good idea, but what is the diameter of the front lens?

Is it possible to use 90mm or larger lens with this method? 66mm lens would be nothing new as we already have the Uniquefire 1405/1504 nowadays.

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Everyone wrote:
Someone may have done it a few days earlier… … I’m pretty sure I actually invented soldering altogether. You guys need to start paying back royalties. … Btw, did I mention that I invented the flashlight? … I made the first portable, rechargeable “torch”. … I invented fire.


Pshaw. You guys… I invented sarcasm. Get off my lawn.


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djozz wrote:

I’m not familiar with night vision and the ‘doubler lens’, looks like a part from elsewhere that was found to fit on the T20

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