Review: Surefire E2L 'Outdoorsman', what have (or haven't) we been missing out on?

Before anyone jumps in with a ‘this is BLF!’ comment, I would like to point out that I found this for a good second hand price on CPFmarketplace and as the seller was in the UK he knocked another chunk off of the price for me as well. I had wanted to try one of the ‘proper’ Surefires for a while, just to see what the fuss was about and whether they did have any incredible, perhaps transcendent ‘feel’ of pure quality to them… Well maybe not, but I think it’s a good light for what it’s designed to be. You can draw your own conclusions.

Size:
Slightly shorter than a P60 host, with a noticeably thinner body and head. Good for belt carry and fits comfortably into a jeans pocket, but not small enough for EDC in my opinion.

Efficiency:

Current (6v): 30ma low, 220ma high
Rated lumen output: 3 lumen low, 60 lumen high
Measured (estimated) lumen output: 14 lumen low, 118 lumen high

Now also tested on single li-ion:

Current at 4.15v: 37ma low, 310ma high
Estimated lumen output at 4.15v:14 lumen low, 116 lumen high

Current at 3.7v: 40ma low, 340ma high
Estimated lumen output at 3.7v: 14 lumen low, 116 lumen high

Current at 3.6v: 40ma low, 300ma high
Estimated lumen output at 3.6v:14 lumen low, 90 lumen high

Current at 3.5v: 40ma low, 70ma high
Estimated lumen output at 3.5v:14 lumen low, 26 lumen high

Very impressive, my current readings seem in line with what others have measured. The output readings suggest that there may have been a slight upgrade in flux bin of the XR-E (Q4 to Q5 or Q5 to R2) since the measurements done on the latest version of this light (KX2 head) when it was first released in 2008. The LED itself seems like a more recent version, with phosphor only on the LED die itself rather than covering everything beneath the dome. Alternatively, the 10% higher readings may be because the beam profile of the light is so concentrated that it slightly skews the measurement.

Overall efficiency is very good, 6 hours of runtime on 2x CR123 (equivalent to a 2250mah 18650 cell) at 120 lumens is roughly 80 OTF lumens per watt.
To put that in context, the Zebralight SC600 on its 500 lumen mode is also roughly 80 OTF lumens per watt. A NANJG linear driver running an XM-L2 T6 at 2.5 amps works out at roughly 65 OTF lumens per watt and my Thrunite Saber 1A on eneloop at max mode does roughly 50 OTF lumens per watt.
So, for a ‘dated’ XR-E emitter, it’s pleasing to see that overall circuit efficiency is still up there with the modern frontrunners.

I’m also pleased with the regulation on li-ion. As a buck only driver it will remain in regulation as long as the input voltage minus driver overhead remains over the LEDs Vf. XR-E have higher Vf than XP-G and XM-L, but it seems that the relatively low drive current keeps it down to a low enough level to maintain flat regulation right down to around 3.65v, at which point the Sanyo 16650s that I’m using are virtually empty anyway. It looks like at their 2000mah capacity and with an average current of around 320-30ma they should match the 6 hour runtime on 2x CR123 with almost fully regulated runtime. The drop off at under 3.6v means an extended runtime at around 10 lumens if needed and is also an easily noticable warning well before the cell is overdischarged.

Picture 1 = Zebralight SC600 3 lumen mode (left) vs Surefire E2L ‘3 lumen’ mode (right).

Picture 2 = SC600 60 lumen mode vs E2L ‘60 lumen’ mode

Picture 3 = Same again but further distance, SC600 on the left.

Picture 4 = SC600 700+ lumen mode vs E2L ‘60 lumen’ mode

UI:
It uses a forward clicky switch, half-push once for low and push again for high. There is no mode memory, so it always comes on in low. This is a simple two mode ‘scroll-through’ interface; not my favourite, but simple and functional.
One interesting thing which I have never seen mentioned before is that if you half-press relatively rapidly it will not change mode, but flash repeatedly at the same level. I had originally thought this may be a fault, but it actually seems to be a nice feature that Surefire have programmed in to allow for the manual use of the light as a strobe/beacon.

Having received my 16650s, which are a bit shorter than 2xCR123 cells, I have also noticed that this means that if dropped or shaken then a brief break in contact in the circuit won’t change modes, unlike many other lights which will. In light of this I think Surefire may have been thinking along the lines of possible weapon mounting when they programmed the feature in, to avoid accidental mode changes due to recoil.

Quality:
Machining is generally very good, with very effective knurling. There are a couple of tiny burrs at the very tail end of the body, but scratching these with a fingernail highlights that the aluminium itself feels harder than any other light I’ve found with a similar defect.

Anodizing seems good, a natural tone well-matched throughout the light. The last owner said it had only been used for around 10 minutes around the house and had never been outside, yet there are a few small wear marks at the head and tail, I’m not sure if that reflects on its durability though.
Threads are smooth and thick cut, feeling solid. They are anodized on the inside of the tailcap but not anywhere on the body or the head. They are not square cut and there is a small amount of play which means that you have to untwist the tailcap slightly more than on some other lights to activate Surefire’s (imo unfairly patented, but widely ignored) tailcap lock-out.

The clip is the short version, and seems useful and of high quality, if a little bit stiff.

Internal tailcap design is interesting, with what looks like a number of additional components to what most manufacturers use. It looks robust, hopefully it is too.

Fit and finish:
Fit and finish is functionally very good. But I am harder to please than that and can find a few imperfections. Firstly, there are a few fragments of dust between the glass TIR lense and the AR coated lense in front of it, it seems interesting to me that Surefire would bother with two lenses as that should cut down slightly on optical transmission, but they did.

The emitter is slightly off-centre, the hotspot itself is well centred, but a brighter portion of it within the overall hotspot is slightly to one side. Luckily, the brighter section works out as nearer to top of the beam when held in a right handed overhand position (clip facing to 5 o’clock). Which is useful, as that part will generally be aimed slightly furthest away, so benefits from a bit of higher brightness there.

Overall, in the build quality and fit and finish departments I would say that it most closely resembles some of the more solidly made recent Zebralight models; anodizing is similar, threads are similar, aluminium is similar quality (just a bit thicker on the Surefire). I can’t personally speak for internal quality on either, but that is my impression.

Beam profile:
A clear TIR lense is used on an XR-E, so the beam is very much throw-oriented. It noticeably outshines my SC600 hotspot in intensity on a white wall, despite overall output being no-where near it (this is shown in ‘Picture 4’ above, though the E2L seems a bit more intense in reality). There is no circular spill-beam like a typical reflector, but a slow tapering off of light as you get away from the hotspot, I find this type of beam very useful outdoors for full (albeit low level) peripheral lighting and no sharp drop-off in output at the edge of a defined spill area.

The TIR itself seems to have a very (very, very) light diffusion coating, which is only visible from an angle. The beam is quite clean for a clear TIR, but obviously messier (mainly rings) than an OP reflector.

Tint:
Is fine. I can see how some may class it as slightly green on the low mode if compared to a 1A type tint, but to me it is a reasonably nice creamy white, especially on high.

Durability/long-term reliability:
I’ve only just got it, so I’m not smashing it up! Surefires (especially these more traditional models) have a good reputation for durability, but I have no first hand evidence for or against this.

What I can say for sure is that it has a lifetime ‘no-hassle’ warranty. If it does break, ever, I (or whoever owns it by then) will be getting it fixed or replacement parts for free or no more than the cost of posting it back for repair.
This is a very good guarantee, and imo would double the value of any light i.e I would pay around $50 for a Nitecore EA4, but probably around $100 if it had such an unconditional lifetime warranty from a company that can be relied upon. This brings the perceived price of Surefires down to more reasonable levels, although I still wouldn’t pay anything like full UK retail price for any of them.

Conclusion
This is a well-made and well thought out light which is well suited to long term outdoor use where runtimes are important. Output is much more than claimed by Surefire (what where they thinking?!?) and efficiency comparable to many of the latest releases. The warranty is very good to have, and I am happy with it for the price I paid (around £50). However, at £150 RRP in the UK, it is seriously overpriced for most buyers. The fact that it doesn’t fit anything but 2x CR123 cells ( I have Sanyo 16650s on the way), would rule it out for quite a few people too.

Thanks for the review. I was curious about an honest impression of a Surefire light from a BLF-member, and am pleasantly surprised about the efficiency of this light. (but I still stick to modified chinese lights I'm afraid )

Thanks for the excellent and even-handed review.

Thanks for the review! The point you make about OTF lumens per watt really demonstrates how far LED efficiency has come! The E2L with the X-RE gets 80 lm/W at 120 lumens, while the SC600 with the XM-L has equivalent lm/W at more than 4 times the lumens!

Excellent review RedForest! :slight_smile: One Q: Due to the higher $, what made you want to buy this one? Thanks.

Great review! Thanks for your efforts!

Thanks for sharing. The intense hot spot looks sweet. Now I need to build a XRE P60 dropin.

I’d like to add one to my collection, as well. Why? Because, that is what collectors tend to do!

I have always had a soft spot for $urefire aesthetics. Frankly, you can (and should) acquire the basic foundation of the original P60 design at a much lower cost and even better quality when choosing SolarForce’s L2P over $urefire’s last installment of the now discontinued 6P series. Still, just like a BIC lighter gets the job done as well as a Zippo, it’s the bulky petrol lighter which makes you all sentimental. Like some of us crave a classic Royal Enfield Bullet 350 or Ford Consul next to their efficient, safe and versatile Vauxhall Corsa or BMW touring.

I personally like the $urefire E2-series for its OD-green HA (type III), the smooth, yet practical design, and because - (I have to say that, sorree) - because it’s a $urefire. Cui honorem, honorem - they were the first to come up with the P60 design (albeit the E2-series is NOT a P60. There are means to put in an incandescent bulb, though. I even have one incan dropin, solely for the purpose to be able to in case I ever wanted). Besides, $F sport the most aggressive knurling I have seen so far. Technically, the last 6P were the best (and still, they were the ugliest, melikes the first one much better, by their sleek looks)

Do I like my small collection of Yankee-Dollar lights? Sure do!
Do I use them, actually? Nope, not really.
Why do I have them, then? Easy enough - tribute to the original inventor of the P60. Would it count if I said I’ve always wanted one? (two? five?)
Would I recommend one? Well, I would, for a collector. If someone just wanted a decent torch for little money, I wouldn’t - unless he or she would be offered one, cheaply.

New-in-box, they’re all grossly overpriced, and grossly underpowered. Then again, they not only come with flat OD-green HA (in the case of E2-series, and some other serieses), big reputation (“Ya know, man, the army uses those, and those G-men, yo, man, can yo dig it, man?”) and the gorgeous logo, laser-engraved into the body (adds twenty lumens, guaranteed!); but also with a lifetime warranty (which none of us would ever need); And - you can still mod them anytime you want… :wink: …and, of course, that would surely void said warranty.

s.: if you are not familiar with sarcasm, take the last bits with a grain of salt. Those $urefires ARE good torches, hands down - but, you can get better results from other tubes of aluminium with batteries inside, a switch at one end, and an emitter at the other, from a lot of other manufacturers for far less money.

@ RedForest UK

Glad you finally got one at a reasonable price. Not an E2L-AA, though, which would be of the same design, but much skinnier at the same time. Oh blimey, that reminds me - I still have to write up a review about E2L-AA vs. Solarforce T4! So many things to do, not nearly enough time…

I think curiosity was a big factor. I’d read a lot about the quality of ‘proper’ Surefires like the E2L, E2DL, LX2 etc from before they were forced to re-brand to a more mainstream consumer market. So I’ve really wanted to try one out for myself. As a first light I wouldn’t (and didn’t) go for one, because price/performace ratio isn’t the best. But I’ve covered most other bases now and still wanted to try one out.

I have to agree with sixfink on the aesthetics too. The military functionality, without trying too hard to look ‘tactical’, styling and olive anodizing do look really good. That along with the high quality TIR lense, which I think looks better than a reflector.

The final factor was price, if they were cheap I’d probably have had one or two already. They aren’t, so I didn’t, but when a good price comes up on one you end up even more motivated to take the opportunity while it’s there. :slight_smile:

RFUK, tks for the review of a past fav! It still reminds me that $F are way overpriced & overvalued. I had never consider buying them brandnew anyway. Sixfink, I agree it’s about history and facts. There’s a forum that still idol worships it with some modders overcharging the unenlightened even though modding any voids their warranty. And in some countries, $F sole distributors make warranty claims difficult for owners that bought them preowned too. $F have even turned their nose up against going 18650. Their basically military contractors; the very same ones that won’t hesitate to charge govts a million bucks for a toilet or 1k for a wrench. Civillians should never get lulled into their trap again.

I received my Sanyo 16650s today from fasttech, so have added some current/output data at key voltages. It’s fully regulated down to around 3.65v.

I also worked out another possible reason behind the light being programmed not to change modes with short breaks in the circuit; it prevents mode changing if dropped and also from recoil if weapon mounted.

Some truth to that, but you might be stretching it a bit.

Surefire has been making their lights for military, police, and responders for years. They cornered that market early on and stuck with it. If they are successful at it, good for them. This is a capitalist economy and they are free to run their business as they please.

You have to understand, these buyers put an extreme emphasis on durability over maximum performance. Everything about their design comes back to that. They need to survive from desert to arctic conditions, buildings on fire to hurricane winds & rain… You need to keep these things in perspective.

Are they overpriced? Yes. (I think they could be marked down at least 10-20%.) Why are they inflated? Partly due to reputation, partly due to being made in USA, which has obvious overhead costs compared to SE Asia. That being said, they can be worth the money if you work in a profession where your life literally depends on your light.

It is often difficult to compare mil-spec goods to normal commercial OTS stuff. The priorities driving design and testing are totally different. Consumers want the most performance for their buck…. Responders (and their purchasers) want 100% reliability above all else. It should not be a surprise the end results are so different when the approaches are so different.

Yes, it is kind of sad how Surefire has gotten comfortable how they are, and they don’t seem to have much interest in the enthusiast market like us. But I can’t blame them. It’s how their business developed. They were in the right place at the right time with the right product.

Can’t really hold it against them. I’ll just buy other brands that better fit my priorities and budget. And we all do the same. Surefire will go on doing what they do…. and so will we…. just how it is.

I read somewhere that this lopsided beam is common to all these lights and might be intentional, for the very useage you described.

Well put! I do own some SF too. It’s about meeting expectations but the unwary still need to make an informed decision. I don’t hope to see CN made lights get up to their prices. Btw here’s an update on prices to govt :

1) International Space Station Toilet $19 million : HERE

2) Pliers $748/Flashlight $181 : HERE

3) Wrench contractor bans govt from sales : HERE

Both OTS goods and mil-spec goods are made to a certain performance standard at the lowest possible price to maximise profit.
Being from a government contract does not stop the manufacturing company from wanting to cut as many corners as possible within spec to maximise earnings.
The only difference is that government contracts are done to external, published specifications as opposed to something internal and often unpublished.
The average mil-spec product will be better than what you find for five bucks on a shelf at Target only because the mil-spec is rated for outdoor use while the cheap product wasn’t intended to be used that way. However, if you compare apples with apples, the differences disappear. Hence the best stuff is usually the high-end commercial product for which a smaller number of consumers are willing to pay a price premium for.

Quite true. I’m clearer about what SF stands for now. One mostly gets what one pays for. But that’s not going to stop our budding Tony Starks here on BLF from building Iron-Man flashlights! The team of TheShadow, Scaru, OldLumens and Mkett39 have even simulated appropriate battle field conditions for testing : HERE

PS : RFUK, sorry about ranting over SF! They’re still good!

Don’t worry about it, the whole point of getting one and running the review was to get my own first hand perspective on things without bias either way. I’ve been part of previous rants and just wanted to see for myself.

I certainly wouldn’t have purchased the E2L for anywhere near full UK rrp, and I wouldn’t urge anyone else to either. But with the lifetime warranty I’m happy with it for the price I paid; it fills a niche for a rugged, efficient, long runtime light with a practical beam profile outdoors to make the most out of its relatively low output.

You really don’t need more than 10 and 100 lumens in this type of beam for normal outdoors use anyway. With night adjusted eyes, anything else is overkill. So to have useful and reliable illumination for a long time (with no option to run the battery down in under an hour for fun) is a good combination.

I'll necrobump this because it's the most recent SureFire thread...they are incredible flashlights. My M300 is incredibly durable, very light, and throws an impressively bright/blinding beam precisely. The run-time is great, it doesn't heat up (much), everything works insanely well.

The down-side is it only has two modes, OFF and F-ing Bright, so I tend to carry something that doesn't blind me. Granted, if I were busting through doors and not taking names those are the only two modes I'd want, and in that regard the SureFire works better than anything else and is so tough it can be used as both a hammer and a nail.

Is SureFire "budget?" Well, if there's great risk related to a light failing it is the only choice for rock-solid reliability, but I still can't call it "budget." "You get what you pay for, minus a healthy commission" seems to apply. "Reasonably priced insurance." "Purpose built." "The best."

But not "budget."

(I feel better now.)