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There’s also a 3000K MTG-2 version available.

 

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Yeah I might like 3,000K. I do in XML, but would want to see it in an MTG before throwing down good money.

Warm 3,000K MTG2 superflooder with good low modes might make a sweet lantern.

Very intrigued by this emitter. Going to be an interesting year.

I like copper

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DBCstm wrote:
Edit: If the MT-G2 causes the S2200 to have a similar floody beam it will be up for sale the following day.

I call first dibs. If you don't like it, I'll buy it for exactly what you paid. Smile

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Will do, should be here by Monday or Tuesday. But I’m out all day Tuesday with the wife having surgery so if it’s not here by Monday I won’t see it til Wednesday or so.

It will get tested either way, and have it’s picture taken for posterity. (That IS what I do, after all)

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Bit down hard.

Comparing with Convoy L2, SRK (FF), Roche M170, etc. when it arrives even if they are completely different beasts.

 

Just couldn't resist.Tongue Out

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MT-G2 is to XM-L as XM-L is to 3W Luxeon.

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Was forced to purchase….Sigh….This is turning from a cheap replacement hobby for watches into a hobby as expensive as watches….

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Comfychair, you can’t be serious! That’s massive! Oh yeah, so is the emitter….which is why I HAD to buy this light!

Reckon I’ll have to make a holster for it so I can belt carry and keep it with me all the time. Who knows, perhaps another fool will dare to tailgate me with high beams on! Smile
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DBCstm wrote:
Will do, should be here by Monday or Tuesday. But I’m out all day Tuesday with the wife having surgery so if it’s not here by Monday I won’t see it til Wednesday or so.

It will get tested either way, and have it’s picture taken for posterity. (That IS what I do, after all)

Hi,

First things first…. I wish your wife’s surgery goes well!

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Comfychair, you can't be serious! That's massive! Oh yeah, so is the emitter....which is why I HAD to buy this light! Reckon I'll have to make a holster for it so I can belt carry and keep it with me all the time. Who knows, perhaps another fool will dare to tailgate me with high beams on! Smile >)

Yes I'm serious. 'Course that's just my opinion, others may disagree with a statement that extreme, but it seems about right to me.

That only goes up to ~5A, and it was on the crappy aluminum star from Cutter, a star that has some kind of awful ceramic or fiberglass layer between the LED and the base. 6 amps, on copper (which is just recently available from IOS), would be, what, 3400? 3500? I don't think anybody has found the upper bound for where output starts to fall off or what it takes to make one go poof, so who knows. MT-G2 at 3 amps hasn't even got started yet.

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tatasal wrote:

The last hour in a proper CC/CV charger contributes about a third of the total energy pumped into cell. In the digital real-time read-out of my hobby charger, you can see that although the voltage pumped is already in the 4.17 to 4.2V vicinity, the current is still way behind, usually by almost a third of its actual capacity, gradually increasing. So removing a cell that has reached 4.2v early on does not mean it has reached its full capacity, the current pumped will gradually decrease to about 1/10th of the charging rate you set before termination. Also, a hobby charger will also tell you the health of your cell............

Thanks for the explanation tatasal.

It seems I may need to do a little more reading though I thought I'd pored over every battery/charging thread there was.

I've found my Maha C9000 incredibly useful for testing and weeding out NiMH cells.  Having now moved more into Li-Ion, I guess I know what my next purchase needs to be.  Off to research some threads on hobby chargers I guess.

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I saw that chart and stood amazed! So, is it possible to mod the driver in the S1100/S2200 to achieve more insane numbers? I mean, even a boost to 4A gives pretty amazing results. Was it you that said this host has the emitter direct mounted to the massive thermal sink? Don’t know that a copper star would actually improve much over that as the copper star would only help pull so much away from the emitter till the aluminum became the bottleneck, right? OTOH, it’s making big improvements for the XM-L with the same limitations so who am I to say?

Might indeed be an interesting year!

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No, it doesn't have a removable pill like other lights, the middle section where the side switch is is one piece with the flat section where the LED star sits. I don't know what MCPCB they use in the S2200, the one in the S1100 looked to be a custom piece. Copper, but not direct to copper under the center pad, it had a insulating layer between the solder pad and the copper base.

I put up a bunch of pics of the S1100 driver and the driver gurus said it would be simple to do a resistor mod but nobody ever got into the details of what goes where. It is doable, though.

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No, it doesn’t have a removable pill like other lights, the middle section where the side switch is is one piece with the flat section where the LED star sits. I don’t know what MCPCB they use in the S2200, the one in the S1100 looked to be a custom piece. Copper, but not direct to copper under the center pad, it had a insulating layer between the solder pad and the copper base.

I put up a bunch of pics of the S1100 driver and the driver gurus said it would be simple to do a resistor mod but nobody ever got into the details of what goes where. It is doable, though.

That sounds like the way the Tiablos that I’ve been working on (destroying LOL are designed. I don’t know the name for it, but there’s a separate section between the head and the battery tube that is one piece and has the emitter/emitter PCB on one end, and, in the case, the driver inside that piece, and then a contact board with a spring on the other end. The whole thing is sealed up like a tank, and it’s a kind of a pain getting it open, plus the driver PCB was bigger than the openings, so the only way I could get it out was to break it in half and then pull the pieces out. I don’t know if the SF lights are like that though.

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Not an over-engineered mess like that at all. The only thing I took issue with was the damn red loctite on the tiny little screws, done for no reason other than punitive disincentive to keep people from making alterations. Pics of the internals here.

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Not an over-engineered mess like that at all. The only thing I took issue with was the damn red loctite on the tiny little screws, done for no reason other than punitive disincentive to keep people from making alterations. Pics of the internals here.

Hah! Although I’m not that familiar with Tiablo’s history, my impression that it wasn’t over-engineered for functionality, but more to make it difficult (what you called “disincentive”) for people to copy their stuff. I got an upgrade kit for an ACE (vs. ACE.G) and the diameter of the inside was different than the ACE.G, i.e., they probably wanted to force customers to buy different parts for different lights. I think their website actually mentioned that they had patented some stuff that made it hard for others to copy. Loctite is like the “bane of modders”… Again, you should have seen the Tiablos. They actually Fujik’ed the driver PCB *inside *of that middle section, just to be a pain :(…

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Much as I’ve been impressed with Foy’s review of the S2200’s little brother, and with the finish (for the money), of the SF lights I have, I think I’m still going to wait for the Niwalker offering.

Selfbuilt’s review on the other side of the Black Light Vostro BK-FA02 has convinced me that this is the one to get. His only criticism seems to be a narrow magnetic ring control – to me that’s an advantage after the fairly loose ring on the little RRT-01.

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Selfbuilt’s review of the Niwalker BK-FA02 was very positive. Really wish they had hidden the strobe. Who uses strobe on a light like this anyways?!? Really.

Kind of torn between BKFA02, 7G10, and S2200, but leaning SF currently… I am a fan of both SF and Crelant brands. No experience with Niwalker, but I hear they are awesome.

Like the appearance & proportions of the SF best. Surprisingly, the Crelant claims to only have 6mm fatter body despite being 4-cell vs the 3-cell S2200.

SF seems to have better build. 7G10 cannot be locked out and has rough threads [per turboBB’s review on youtube]. Sad That might be the deal breaker for me. This would be my most expensive light. I can’t tolerate flaws like that.

Niwalkers sound great from Selfbuilt’s review, but I expect the price to be highest and probably out of my range. Technically, all of these are out of my price range lol. Also think the Niwalkers look kinda funky. The least aesthetically pleasing of the three IMHO. Just my opinion of course.

I like copper

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Haterade wrote:
Selfbuilt’s review of the Niwalker BK-FA02 was very positive. Really wish they had hidden the strobe. Who uses strobe on a light like this anyways?!? Really.

Kind of torn between BKFA02, 7G10, and S2200, but leaning SF currently… I am a fan of both SF and Crelant brands. No experience with Niwalker, but I hear they are awesome.

Like the appearance & proportions of the SF best. Surprisingly, the Crelant claims to only have 6mm fatter body despite being 4-cell vs the 3-cell S2200.

SF seems to have better build. 7G10 cannot be locked out and has rough threads [per turboBB’s review on youtube]. Sad That might be the deal breaker for me. This would be my most expensive light. I can’t tolerate flaws like that.

Niwalkers sound great from Selfbuilt’s review, but I expect the price to be highest and probably out of my range. Technically, all of these are out of my price range lol. Also think the Niwalkers look kinda funky. The least aesthetically pleasing of the three IMHO. Just my opinion of course.

Strobe on the Niwalker isn’t too bad – just don’t turn the magnetic ring to the left lol. I have the Supbeam K40, where the strobe is past the highest mode on the ring, and that is not so good imho.

turboBB’s has made a brief video review of the Crelant and it didn’t seem too impressive to me, with very poor threads.

Edit>> turboBB’s review also here :bigsmile:

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Woody wrote:
Haterade wrote:
Selfbuilt’s review of the Niwalker BK-FA02 was very positive. Really wish they had hidden the strobe. Who uses strobe on a light like this anyways?!? Really.

Kind of torn between BKFA02, 7G10, and S2200, but leaning SF currently… I am a fan of both SF and Crelant brands. No experience with Niwalker, but I hear they are awesome.

Like the appearance & proportions of the SF best. Surprisingly, the Crelant claims to only have 6mm fatter body despite being 4-cell vs the 3-cell S2200.

SF seems to have better build. 7G10 cannot be locked out and has rough threads [per turboBB’s review on youtube]. Sad That might be the deal breaker for me. This would be my most expensive light. I can’t tolerate flaws like that.

Niwalkers sound great from Selfbuilt’s review, but I expect the price to be highest and probably out of my range. Technically, all of these are out of my price range lol. Also think the Niwalkers look kinda funky. The least aesthetically pleasing of the three IMHO. Just my opinion of course.

Strobe on the Niwalker isn’t too bad – just don’t turn the magnetic ring to the left lol. I have the Supbeam K40, where the strobe is past the highest mode on the ring, and that is not so good imho.

turboBB’s has made a brief video review of the Crelant and it didn’t seem too impressive to me, with very poor threads.

Edit>> turboBB’s review also here :bigsmile:

If that was the video I watched, he kept saying “not bad for a first version”. The review was pretty good I thought, because he seemed pretty honest about both the bad and the good.

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Oh yeah, a very good honest review, as we expect from turboBB. Reviews that encourage me not to buy a light are the best. Wink

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Yeah strobe past highest mode is even worse. Definitely.

I would prefer some kind of hidden strobe like flick the ring back n forth 3 or 4 times OSLT. There’s some control ring lights like that but I don’t own them and I’m blanking on what it was now. I’m sure someone else knows.

I like copper

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Jetbeam RRT-01. Smile

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Thanks Woody

I like copper

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Woohoo! My S2200 hit my Post Office 6AM this morning! Looks like today’s the day! Smile I was hoping as much, and have 3 cells ready to try it out. Is there any real issue with using 2 AW 2600mAh Protected cells and 1 RediLast 2600mAh Protected cell as long as their Voltage is same or very similar? 4.22 4.21 4.20 with the 4.22 and 4.20 charged on my UltraFire WF-188 and the 4.21 charged on Cottonpickers USB 700ma charger. These are measurements taken on rested cells, just read em at 9:19 and they were charged yesterday afternoon.

Edit: the one at 4.22 quit at 4.14 (the charger got moved and it broke connection, this charger is funny that way with sliders that are very coarse in movement) and I put it back on…it stopped well after the original pair started with that 4.22 showing.

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I would not mix cells in a series config. Not good.

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I don’t have 3 of any same battery, got pairs as one was always a backup to the other. I’ve got 2 AW 2600, 1 AW 3400, 2 RediLast 2600, 2 Panasonic NCR18650PD with 4 more of the Pannys on the way.

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Correction, I DO have 3! I raided my wifes P1D and found a matching AW 2600 Protected. Smile

Edit: Sucks getting old, I would have bet money that the cell in my wifes P1D was an AW 2900mAh Protected cell. My memory is horrible. Scary, isn’t it? I use Li-ions.

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Eager to see how she looks and works.

I like copper

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Can anyone guess what I have in my hot little hands? Smile

6 days from Hong Kong to Central Texas, must be a new record.

It’s Big!
It’s Black!
It’s Impressive!

So, what is it everyone wants to know? The MT-G2 is freakin huge! The reflector is gorgeous with a light stipple that shows the emitter very well. No artifacts, nice hot spot, good spill. Beautiful tint. Slighter whiter than a Nichia 219 but very reminiscent.

I’ve got 3 AW 2600mAh cells, fresh charged but rested. My DMM is a cheap one. I use a 1.5” long piece of 12Ga copper from Romex to take tailcap readings. Some will be disappointed with these numbers, but remember I’m not a reviewer and am not experienced with this kind of thing. But, that said, Lo shows .08 Med shows .700 and Hi shows 2.11A. So, is there a multiplier in there with 3 li-ion cells in series? Somebody please tell me what these numbers mean! Seem low to me.

I will try to get some pics this afternoon, and some beamshots tonight. Beamshots against a couple different lights but only one of known output. That would be the EDC+ Triple XPG at 720 lumens OTF.

It is a very impressive looking light, to be certain. Perfectly executed with not a single blemish on it that I have seen so far. Pics to follow.

Edit: Can a Serial # of 9 mean I actually got the 9th one? Radical!

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