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So in this case it gets a bit more complicated, you have to do some math. 

2.11 amps*11.1 volts=23.421 watts

23.421 watts*.8 driver efficiency=18.7368 watts

18.7368 watts/6.25 volts=2.997888 amps

This means approximately 3 amps i getting to the LED (assuming a 6.25 vf and a 80% driver efficiency)

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Nice, I’m really looking forward to more of your impressions of this beast.

Assuming voltage of freshly charged cells quickly drops to 4V apiece at 2A, 3(4V)*2.11A equals ~25 Watts input power. Assuming 90% driver efficiency that means ~22.5W to the emitter. Going on that assumption and the assumption that the MT-G2 is dropping 6.3V we can assume the emitter current is 3.6A

12V*2.11A*90%÷6.3V=3.6A

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With ONE XM-L, stock driver does 3.23 volts, 3.31 amps.

With TWO in series, it does 6.36 volts, 3.25 amps.

THREE in series, 9.56 volts, 3.70 amps.

If they didn’t change the driver from the S1100 (I would be surprised if they did), the S2200 fully drives its MT-G2 :bigsmile:

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Sounds good to me! Smile It’s bright, don’ know yet how far it throws but the beam is very nice, think I’m really gonna like it outdoors. When you hold the mode button (lit green with good charge) down for a couple of seconds it goes into a strobe, I kept holding it down and the strobe seemed to get fast, beamshot on the wall….my eyes began to swim! lol I know some are affected by that more than others. I’m usually able to look directly at a strobe with none of that disorientation effect. From 8’ away with the beam on a white wall, things were getting a bit wonky. Very effective strobe on this one!

Not a lot of pics for me to take, as it’s the same body as Foy’s review. So there’s not much point in my trying to do-over Foys shots. But the reflector and emitter, ahh, beauty in the beast! Smile

Processing a couple of pics, will get em up in a little while.

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But if you run the numbers like scaru showed above with fresh cells at 4.20V it’s more like 3.40A getting to the emitter at start-up. So between 3.4A and 3.0A from start to moderately run down. Does that sound about right? Seems like they did a pretty good job here and didn’t keep it super conservative like they did their M3 head.

The S2200 shot on the wall (dark paneling and some pictures, daylight) at about 10-12’ just simply blows the doors off my HD2010 that’s pushing around 850-900 lumens. Shine the HD2010 first and totally make the hot spot go away with the S2200. Which is pretty dang good, considering the HD2010 is modded fairly extremely and hits 350-450 yds pretty well. (Pulling 2.88A from a Powerizer IMR26650 [LiNiMnCo] with XM-L2 on copper driven with a stock Q-Lite)

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But if you run the numbers like scaru showed above with fresh cells at 4.20V it's more like 3.40A getting to the emitter at start-up. So between 3.4A and 3.0A from start to moderately run down. Does that sound about right? Seems like they did a pretty good job here and didn't keep it super conservative like they did their M3 head. The S2200 shot on the wall (dark paneling and some pictures, daylight) at about 10-12' just simply blows the doors off my HD2010 that's pushing around 850-900 lumens. Shine the HD2010 first and totally make the hot spot go away with the S2200. Which is pretty dang good, considering the HD2010 is modded fairly extremely and hits 350-450 yds pretty well. (Pulling 2.88A from a Powerizer IMR26650 [LiNiMnCo] with XM-L2 on copper driven with a stock Q-Lite)

Well, if it was run off of a 4.2 volt power supply then it might do 3.4 amps, but the voltage of the batteries will sag quite a lot. If you want to be optimistic use 4 volts. 

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Ok, I surrender. I don’t know the numbers or the forumula’s so I won’t even try to speculate. I’m sure y’all will figure that out soon enough and I’ll sit back and read it. Won’t understand it, but I’ll read it.

Looking like it could rain, hope I can get beamshots tonight. Won’t be here at all tomorrow or tomorrow night so it might be a few days before I can get back to it if it rains tonight.

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Hope these accent Foys, don’t mean to try to take anything away from his work on the S1100.

The S2200
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The head/reflector
S2200 Mega Reflector

Let’s have a look, shall we
MT-G2 Beautiful

MT-G2…whoa! Monsta emitter in the house!
MT-G2 S2200 Up Close and Personal

Hope to get outside in a little while for some beamshots, wish me luck!

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looks nice. thanks for sharing.

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Looks like typical Solarforce, but on a huge scale. I’m glad they are getting serious with their latest forays in the non-host flashlight biz.

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I got to go out and get some beamshots, rain bypassed us. The S2200 is definately a seriously bright light. It, as predicted, is not a whopping thrower. My HD2010 has been pretty heavily modified and is pulling 2.88A at the tail on a XM-L2 @ 5000K. That same 5000K tint looks bluish compared to the MT-G2. While the HD2010 has been my best thrower to date, the S2200 meets it, and ups the ante. It doesn’t throw further. They’re about the same in the distance dept. But it puts out at least twice the light. More light everywhere, even downrange where it makes it easy to focus the camera there’s the same light out to the sides. So in that regard too it wallops the HD2010. My little L2P with M3 head looked pathetic, so much so I didn’t even include any pics from it. I once thought it’s throw was respectable, but it fell flat. And was much bluer in color appearance.

I ran the light for short bursts, a dozen times or more. I took it for a brief walk and compared em without the camera, searching things out. I could see trees in our back 40 some 475 yds away. Couldn’t make anything out but could see they were there. And while the 2010 created a relatively narrow path of light to look down, the 2200 put out a nice wide swath of light, all the way to the back fence. Pretty respectable. The solid midsection where the emitter is mounted warmed ever so slightly. Really. Barely noticeable. The cells measured 4.09, 4.09, and 4.10 when I came inside.

This picture is big. Crunched the JPEG a bit to get it down from 43MB to 16MB. So if you click on it and go to the larger versions in Flickr, be aware it might take a little while on some systems.
S2200 vs HD2010

If you’re looking for throw, get the S1100. If you want the best of both worlds, this S2200 just might be for you!

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My kids have been asking me what I want for Father’s Day…

I think I now know what that will be :)!!

Edit: BTW, this has an OP reflector right? I wonder what it’d be like if it had an SMO?

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One more thing, when I was out walking around with it just before full dark I was surpised at something I’d never seen before. The emitter is so fn huge it collected what little ambient light there was and almost appeared to glow down at the bottom of that salad bowl reflector! I’m serious, you could see that orange/yellow ball down there when the other lights showed nothing. Like in the pic up above where it fills the reflector with yellow reflection, you could see that in near darkness! Impressively huge!

And I’ll add what Foy was impressed about, the build is flawless. Very professional. No quirks, nothing. The lens has the AR they say it has, in a reddish hue like some binoculars. They even left the “Voltuge” intact. lol

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This mild orange peel reflector gives a gorgeous beam. The emitter is made up of 40something areas in conjuction, so a smooth reflector might be pretty ugly in it. They have a fantastic smooth reflector in the S1100, don’t ya think if it’d work for this one they’d have implemented it instead of creating a new one?

Edit: Is that 72 areas? Wow!

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thanks for the shots. tint looks pretty nice. truly neutral with solid CRI. if you could post some shots of colorful stuff to judge CRI that would be awesome.

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Bookcase on Medium or use High and 1/8000 of a second? Smile

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Can anyone tell me if this A0009 serial number is truly the 9th one in circulation?

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They even left the “Voltuge” intact. lol

Bummer. Was really hoping they had fixed that. Don’t know if I can plunk down this kind of money for a light with that on it. Sad

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Bookcase on Medium or use High and 1/8000 of a second? Smile

How’s the low?

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DBCstm wrote:
This mild orange peel reflector gives a gorgeous beam. The emitter is made up of 40something areas in conjuction, so a smooth reflector might be pretty ugly in it. They have a fantastic smooth reflector in the S1100, don’t ya think if it’d work for this one they’d have implemented it instead of creating a new one?

Edit: Is that 72 areas? Wow!

I was thinking about your comment about throw, and that the throw would be better with an SMO… that’s all :)…

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MTG2 in the S1100 smooth reflector has a two-stage hotspot, I guess you could call it, on a white wall, but in actual use it's not noticeable. It was like this with the XML too just with the center spot about half the size. The main center spot is still very sharp and well defined.

Anybody else notice how far the MTG2 is set back from the inside of the reflector, like we talked about in other threads? It definitely does NOT like to be shoved way out into the reflector like an XML does, that's for sure.

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Ok, don’t know if this helps or not but here’s some comparison shots. The camera was set on auto this time to keep everything in perspective so that only the color of the light would be the issue. All pics on the right are the same pic, the S2200 on Hi. The shots on the left are, from the top, the L2P M3 w/ XM-L U2, the L2P EDC+ Triple XP-G2 (I think 5700K), the HD2010 w/XM-L2 T6 5000K and the L2P EDC+ Triple Nichia 219 4700K. Shot in a dark room with only the flashlights for light.

S2200 CRI comparison

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The color stays good from Hi to Lo. The 3 shots below start on Hi, then Med, then Lo. The shot on hi is 1/160 f6.3 ISO400, med is 1/100 f5.0 ISO400 and lo is 1/20 f4.0 ISO400

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Is that an incredible LED, or what? Love Now do you see how hard it is to put into words how much difference there is from a typical XML light?

Can you do a wall shot that shows the beam pattern? Just curious how much difference there is between the two reflectors.

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White styrofoam ceiling tile, one square foot in measurement. Tail standing on the floor in a room that’s 8’6” high.

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Remember when a light that made 100 lumens was kick a$$? That’s low on this one! 800 lumens is screaming (well, not long ago it was) in a P60 drop-in, how about Med here? Smile
Yeah, gotta love it.

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Enjoy! Gotta run, wife’s surgery is at 8AM, we’ve gotta be there early. I’ll be out for a couple days with her while she’s in the hospital. Will try to check in Wed some time.

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Hmm, looks good. The MT-G2 is a huge emitter as compared to the XM-L, is it Cree’s offer to the Luminus/Phlatlight SST90 possibly ? or just a differnet class of chip ?

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DenBarrettSAR wrote:
Hmm, looks good. The MT-G2 is a huge emitter as compared to the XM-L, is it Cree's offer to the Luminus/Phlatlight SST90 possibly ? or just a differnet class of chip ?

It's a multi-die emitter, so it's not like those you mentioned.

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thanks for all the info – I might have to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys!

How is the out put on extended runtimes? does it stay in regulation for the whole run?

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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How is the out put on extended runtimes? does it stay in regulation for the whole run?

Sure does... or, there's nothing to indicate it doesn't. 3S even completely flat is still well above the LED's Vf so if the cells are capable of providing enough current at that point, it'll stay at full output. The 'low batt' warning, I don't know what it trips at under load, but after the cells are removed from the light they're at 3.3v/cell. That 1+hr run time is the point just where the indicator turns from green to red, which still leaves a good reserve before it's actually out of juice. I've never run mine past that so I don't know what it does if you don't switch it off when it goes red (whether it shifts to a lower mode, or shuts down completely).

My hybrid version does almost exactly the same tailcap numbers as measured by DBCstm, so I think it's pretty clear the driver circuitry isn't changed from the S1100. Only change being the different UI with hidden blinkies which doesn't affect the output.

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jmpaul320 wrote:
How is the out put on extended runtimes? does it stay in regulation for the whole run?

Sure does… or, there’s nothing to indicate it doesn’t. 3S even completely flat is still well above the LED’s Vf so if the cells are capable of providing enough current at that point, it’ll stay at full output. The ‘low batt’ warning, I don’t know what it trips at under load, but after the cells are removed from the light they’re at 3.3v/cell. That 1+hr run time is the point just where the indicator turns from green to red, which still leaves a good reserve before it’s actually out of juice. I’ve never run mine past that so I don’t know what it does if you don’t switch it off when it goes red (whether it shifts to a lower mode, or shuts down completely).

My hybrid version does almost exactly the same tailcap numbers as measured by DBCstm, so I think it’s pretty clear the driver circuitry isn’t changed from the S1100. Only change being the different UI with hidden blinkies which doesn’t affect the output.

thanks – it looks like this one might be finding a home in my collection – might wait for a full review just to be safe though

i almost bought the 7g10, but i like the solar force much better

edit: i guess i have some time to decided… everyone at solarforce flashlight sales is on holiday for a bit

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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