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JohnnyMac, why do you know so much? And what more do you know? 0:)
Because I've had some conversations with fasttech prior to this light being announced. You already know most all about this one now but if I told you what I know about the next lights I'd have to kill you.  Wink  :bigsmile:
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Nice light! Out of my budget though, after dropping $50+ each the last two months on lights. If there was a way to transfer my coupon code to someone else I’d do it.

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I’m gonna get one. Too bad I’m still stuck on Gingerbread. Can’t believe I didn’t see the 10 coupon thread

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Question: From FastTech’s website:

http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre...

the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec’ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?

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ohaya wrote:
Question: From FastTech’s website:

http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre...

the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec’ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?


they used 380mA 7135 chips vs 350, intl outdoor sells this driver

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Question: From FastTech's website: http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre... the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec'ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?
the Asgard is driven with 8*7135 at 260mA each. The original t08 was only driven at just over 2A and didn't use  7135 chips.

 12.5% increments with zero pwm means that each AMC chip can be activated one at a time directly.  Modes other than 12.5% increments use pwm to control output at any level you choose.  I hope this answers your question.  Smile

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ohaya wrote:
Question: From FastTech’s website: http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre... the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec’ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?
the Asgard is driven with 8*7135 at 260mA each. The original t08 was only driven at just over 2A and didn’t use  7135 chips.

 12.5% increments with zero pwm means that each AMC chip can be activated one at a time directly.  Modes other than 12.5% invents use pwm to control output at any level you choose.  I hope this answers your question.  Smile

Hi,

Between your response and Bort’s, yes :)… Do you think the 7135s would be stackable then (assuming spacing available and emitter can take the current)? And then the increments would be 2x each?

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im really interested in the driver alone. the lights UI is very interesting, but the host itself does not do much for me.

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I thought it, you said it out loud Smile

 

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Pulsar wrote:
im really interested in the driver alone. the lights UI is very interesting, but the host itself does not do much for me.

+1

I thought it, you said it out loud Smile

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ohaya wrote:
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ohaya wrote:
Question: From FastTech's website: http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre... the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec'ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?
the Asgard is driven with 8*7135 at 260mA each. The original t08 was only driven at just over 2A and didn't use  7135 chips.

 12.5% increments with zero pwm means that each AMC chip can be activated one at a time directly.  Modes other than 12.5% invents use pwm to control output at any level you choose.  I hope this answers your question.  Smile

Hi, Between your response and Bort's, yes :)... Do you think the 7135s would be stackable then (assuming spacing available and emitter can take the current)? And then the increments would be 2x each?

If you could figure out which pad locations are used in for each mode, you could stack chips only onto the locations that will increase one particular mode... if you just doubled all of them, all the modes would be 2x original current.

(assuming there isn't any cleverness going on like randomizing which 7135s are in use on each mode change)

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ohaya wrote:
JohnnyMac wrote:

ohaya wrote:
Question: From FastTech’s website: http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002537/1188301-small-sun-zy-t08-cre... the T08 has 635 lumens output, whereas the Asgard is spec’ed at 1052 lumens and 3040 mA. So, other than the Bluetooth stuff, have they added more 7135s to the Asgard to get to the 1052 lumens (vs. the T08)?
the Asgard is driven with 8*7135 at 260mA each. The original t08 was only driven at just over 2A and didn’t use  7135 chips.

 12.5% increments with zero pwm means that each AMC chip can be activated one at a time directly.  Modes other than 12.5% invents use pwm to control output at any level you choose.  I hope this answers your question.  Smile

Hi, Between your response and Bort’s, yes :)… Do you think the 7135s would be stackable then (assuming spacing available and emitter can take the current)? And then the increments would be 2x each?

If you could figure out which pad locations are used in for each mode, you could stack chips only onto the locations that will increase one particular mode… if you just doubled all of them, all the modes would be 2x original current.

(assuming there isn’t any cleverness going on like randomizing which 7135s are in use on each mode change)

Your last sentence (the one in parentheses) is true. I hadn’t thought of that, that one 7135 is just the same as the others, plus they’d probably tie all the outputs together, right? But, why would they even do that?

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ohaya wrote:
Your last sentence (the one in parentheses) is true. I hadn't thought of that, that one 7135 is just the same as the others, plus they'd probably tie all the outputs together, right? But, why would they even do that?

7135 outputs in parallel wouldn't affect anything at all, no current flows in or out of the ones that are inactive. They're like solid state relays, in that they only 'open the valve' that lets electrons flow when a signal is applied to the Vdd pin. The chips themselves are the same but they have separate traces connecting their Vdd's to the microcontroller, if as claimed they control them all independently to get a 12.5% increase each time one more 7135 is switched on.

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Hi

I’m a bit conflicted on this one (not unusual :(…)…

On the one hand:

Pros:
- New technology and support for innovation (be a “pre-founder” :)!)
- More lumens (than stock T08 or even T07)

On the other hand:

Cons:
- I don’t see an obvious “need” or usage for it vs. “just another brighter light” (granted, do I really “need” any flashlight?)
- It’s more than (almost) double the price of either the T08 or T07 – I could get both of those for the ~ price of this

Believe me, that I can understand the cost differentials, both in terms of hardware and development, but still, it’s a tough decision…

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ohaya wrote:
Hi

I’m a bit conflicted on this one (not unusual :(…)…

On the one hand:

Pros:
- New technology and support for innovation (be a “pre-founder” :)!)
- More lumens (than stock T08 or even T07)

On the other hand:

Cons:
- I don’t see an obvious “need” or usage for it vs. “just another brighter light” (granted, do I really “need” any flashlight?)
- It’s more than (almost) double the price of either the T08 or T07 – I could get both of those for the ~ price of this

Believe me, that I can understand the cost differentials, both in terms of hardware and development, but still, it’s a tough decision…

Comments?


You pretty much nailed it…I will wait until they work out the kinks and the fervor dies down a bit.

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ohaya wrote:
Hi

I’m a bit conflicted on this one (not unusual :(…)…

On the one hand:

Pros:
- New technology and support for innovation (be a “pre-founder” :)!)
- More lumens (than stock T08 or even T07)

On the other hand:

Cons:
- I don’t see an obvious “need” or usage for it vs. “just another brighter light” (granted, do I really “need” any flashlight?)
- It’s more than (almost) double the price of either the T08 or T07 – I could get both of those for the ~ price of this

Believe me, that I can understand the cost differentials, both in terms of hardware and development, but still, it’s a tough decision…

Comments?

That’s the thing with ‘technology’. Of course you can wait. In the future everything is going to be better (than now) definitely. But what’s important is you get to ‘enjoy’ it now, and by ‘enjoying’ it now, you fuel the next wave of improvements, because when there’s sales, then there’s incentive for Research and Development.

Let’s say iPad just launched.. decided wait for the next one cause it’s not stable.. okay iPad 2 comes out.. hmm still not perfect.. ok let’s wait some more.. iPad 3.. iPad 4.. iPad 5 so wait forever and never got it. (Just using iPad as example, you get the point of the ‘endless wait’ cycle)

Sure, after a few months probably something better’s gonna come out, so that’s where the dilemma comes in. To buy now or to buy in future.

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I do strongly suspect that you’ll play with the bluetooth settings till you find your ideal set up, then just use it as a torch, that said, I’ve voted with my wallet as this is to me, the most interesting development in torch tech since high output led’s, yes the zy-t08 is much cheaper, I have one, driven harder than this flex is, its a very very good pocketable thrower (jacket/cargo pocket), I just see this new driver making a very good light a great light and dont want to see the idea fade into obscurity due to lack of support.

I also suspect one of the reasons for using the zy-t08 is the huge aircraft sized empty driver cavity, as I doubt this driver and its associated modules is miniaturised yet, I’m very excited to take a peek under the hood.

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And I thought that having modes at all in a flashlight was already a certain sign of civilization soon ending. So now those modes are bluetooth controlled...

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from the sound of it, even on off is bluetooth controllable, I’m quite interested to see the app and what you can change about, its not available yet though, I’ve looked Sad

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I wonder how many tubes of Loctite they will use to keep the fancy driver gubbins hidden away...

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that’ll be difficult, you have to unscrew the head to change the cells, I’m interested in a blank contact board though, because that’s surely what they’ve used for this.

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No one get it yet??? I want a review… J)

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To answer a few questions, the welcome screen shows current voltage and core temperature (in C/F). It also allows you set thermal throttle level.

If you have used and like the FastTech support app, you should like the Asgard app as it’s designed with the same design language.

We will release it to the play store within a few days, before deliveries.

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fasttech wrote:
To answer a few questions, the welcome screen shows current voltage and core temperature (in C/F). It also allows you set thermal throttle level.

If you have used and like the FastTech support app, you should like the Asgard app as it’s designed with the same design language.

We will release it to the play store within a few days, before deliveries.

Hi,

That was why I was asking/suggesting about alpha/beta. I have the FT app on my Samsung Galaxy player, but it FCs intermittently. I think I reported via a ticket, but was suggested to just auto-report via the app itself.

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Wow, thanks to Fasttech I'm thinking I should get an android...

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Just wondering whether there is any fail-safe restore mechanisms in the case of corrupted memory or an error?

It would be horrible to get locked out from the light. Silly

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scaru wrote:

Wow, thanks to Fasttech I’m thinking I should get an android…


remember when you asked me why android is better than ios? this Silly
dont you have an android based mini pc?
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scaru wrote:

Wow, thanks to Fasttech I'm thinking I should get an android...

remember when you asked me why android is better than ios? this Silly dont you have an android based mini pc?

True. Silly Sadly the MK-802 doesn't support bluetooth (no hardware and doesn't support a bluetooth adapter). I still think Fasttech should release an iphone version (preferably one for jailbroken iphones with a quick access toggle). 

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Man FastTech keeps kicking tail. I'm curious about the development process and who was all involved. I don't need to drop another $60 on any light, but this looks quite impressive. Cool to see that it separately turns on 7135s as well.

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i wonder if there will be a flood of bt drivers in the next year… i have heard of bt micro lights in development as well
As I understand it, Fasttech has already acquired patents on the technology and idea.  I know the owner is extremely wealthy and will bet he will do what is needed to protect his investment.

No offense but adding a BT interface isn’t really that difficult in the large gist of things. It would require redesigning drivers from the traditional norm but it could easily be done by the right people. People have been putting BT programming units on things longer than you might have thought of ;).

Making the App’s to control it and the code to interface with it may very well be able to be controlled by the person/corp who made it, however others could just as well make their own.

It looks cool, however I would still like the full metal + AR coating. Is there a way to have it so that it’s programmable, but not really useable outside of a few inches? The choice of host (Body thickness/Mounting, rings, etc) might make a difference too. Or an external antenna could be routed, or wrapped around in the body.

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scaru wrote:

Pulsar wrote:
scaru wrote:

Wow, thanks to Fasttech I’m thinking I should get an android…

remember when you asked me why android is better than ios? this Silly dont you have an android based mini pc?

True. Silly Sadly the MK-802 doesn’t support bluetooth (no hardware and doesn’t support a bluetooth adapter). I still think Fasttech should release an iphone version (preferably one for jailbroken iphones with a quick access toggle). 

Unfortunately, Apple requires MFI and thus Apple tax to access Bluetooth data functionalities on iOS. We might be able to use it on Jailbroken phones but there may be potential legal hassles.

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I have the FT app on my Samsung Galaxy player, but it FCs intermittently.

Looking at our internal work logs it seem that the problem was addressed a few days ago but not published on the Play Store. It’s published now so go ahead and update the app to see if it’s gone.

The app is simple and to the point. If there are quirks we’ll definitely work them out as soon as we can. I do understand your eagerness to see it but I’m not sure if there will be an alpha/beta since the actual release is only a few days away.

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