How long before we see XM-L in 1xaa budget lights?

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How long before we see XM-L in 1xaa budget lights?

Now that Thrunite has released the Neutron 1A with XM-L and creating one of the biggest understatements of lumens I have ever seen (over 200+ OTF lumens on AA when they only claim 140), how long do you think it will be before XM-l in 1xaa will trickle down to the budget category?

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We havent seen XP-G in any great numbers as yet , you would think AAA and AA would be ripe for the XP-G ...

So how long for the XM-L , problem is stock piles of old emitters , lots and lots of old outdated emitters out there ..

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AA batteries can hardly give 2.5W, XML sucks up to 10W. And there is not big difference between XML and XPG-R5 both at 3W

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The thrunite puts up insane test numbers so someone figured something out where an XM-L can give signicantly more output on a single AA than an XP-G.

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problem is stock piles of old emitters,how long do you think

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Oh dear !  , took a good 12 months for XP-G to filter down to AA and AAA lights .. [ ecconomy lights ] 

Im still waiting for ITP XP-G R5 to be available mainstream ... 

Too many variables , but just depends on what the manufacturer is sitting on ...  Look at all the XRE-Q5 lights out there 

+ What Cree wants for the Emitters , if cree is dumping cheap Q5 etc emitters into the market , then manufacturers may be less inclined to put in more expensive emitters ..

The margin on the budget lights cant be very high ...

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Just ordered a Thrunite Neutral Neutron 1c light last night. It really has incredible test results. I also plan to build a L2r with a powerful boost driver I got from KD. Lets see how Neutron will compare.
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Kokopelli wrote:
I also plan to build a L2r with a powerful boost driver I got from KD.

 

Which driver is that?

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 I hope this one.

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Thanks Smile

 

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If it has same output at lower levels

 and isn't any more efficient 

 and color /tint hasn't caught up

 then ..I guess I don't care

I have a 350 lumen xpg aa/14500

what it needs more than a few more lumens for the. wow factor is a very low low instead

at some point you have to have a mix of runtime and output

or just jump to a bigger battery  / bigger light

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I know it's not budget but I have Quark Mini 123 XML. 1 x CR123 with a claimed 210 lumens OTF. Probably 180 ANSI but runs a little over an hour on high. How long could a similarly driven 1 x AA run? learningcurveFoy

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The XM-L is very slightly brighter (but not noticeably so) than the XP-G at up to 700mA, which is about the maximum current one can expect from a 1xAA configuration.

But maybe XM-L would be preferred over XP-G and XR-E for its beam pattern and for its lower thermal resistance?

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the only way to get full power with xm-l and aa size are use aw 14500 imr

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moviles2 wrote:

the only way to get full power with xm-l and aa size are use aw 14500 imr

 

Theres no reason it has to be an AW IMR, any high current IMR will do.

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moviles2 wrote:

the only way to get full power with xm-l and aa size are use aw 14500 imr

 

There are cheaper options - but they probably won't run as long.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Flashlight Foy wrote:
I know it's not budget but I have Quark Mini 123 XML. 1 x CR123 with a claimed 210 lumens OTF. Probably 180 ANSI but runs a little over an hour on high. How long could a similarly driven 1 x AA run? learningcurveFoy

 

Zebralight SC51 pulls 200 lumens off a single aa nimh and lasts about 46 minutes. The Thrunite Neutron 1a may run as high as 240 lumens on a single aa nimh and goes 44 minutes. The Fenix LD10 R4 will do about 150 lumens on a nimh and last about an hour.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?311559-Thrunite-Neutron-Series-(XM-L)-1C-2C-1A-2A-Review-RUNTIMES-BEAMSHOTS-and-more! The 1xaa figures are about 2/3 down.

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That Neutron looks awesome.

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I put an XML in a Romisen RC-G2 and run it direct drive with a 14500.

I get 2.3 Amps to the LED but only run it for short periods. If you need a lot of light for a limited time it is ideal.

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I would LOVE a 14500 powered XM-L!  Would make a great little pocket rocket as long as it has at least 3 good modes.

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Looks like the near-budget XML 14500 is almost here! Xeno E03 with XML in cool, neutral or warm tints. 490 lumens on XML and looks to be shipping within days. About $29 for cool or $33 for neutral / warm. http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?251654-NEW!-XM-L-Xeno-E0...
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Firelight2 wrote:
Looks like the near-budget XML 14500 is almost here! Xeno E03 with XML in cool, neutral or warm tints. 490 lumens on XML and looks to be shipping within days. About $29 for cool or $33 for neutral / warm. http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?251654-NEW!-XM-L-Xeno-E0...'s hot! I really like the finger grips molded into the body. Looks like a sweet torch!

Edit: Looking again at the design it's a shame they put the cooling fins on the wrong end of the light. They won't do much good being covered my the user's sweaty palms.  They should have put the fins up by the head where they would do the most good.

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Wow, now that is enticing! I think I'll be getting a black XM-L in neutral once the first reviews come in. I wonder how difficult it is to get a clip onto that. Does anyone have one of these Xeno E03's?

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There are quite a few reviews of the earlier XPG model EO3. It actually got quite positive reviews even compared to some of the more premium flashlight brands.
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JohnnyMac wrote:
 Looking again at the design it's a shame they put the cooling fins on the wrong end of the light. They won't do much good being covered my the user's sweaty palms.  They should have put the fins up by the head where they would do the most good.

 

I had a look around, but I can't find a photo of this light taken apart. I wondered if it was possible to reverse the tube and have those fins at the head end, I guess someone is just going to have to get one and tell us Smile

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got a red one in cool white on the way. quite quick response already got tracking, ordered last night.

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Got so excited seeing that xeno while browsing blf on my phone at work that I just ordered a blue one:) where are they shipping them from?
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mizjif wrote:
Got so excited seeing that xeno while browsing blf on my phone at work that I just ordered a blue one:) where are they shipping them from?


from the look of it.. California.
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OK so I got the 14mm XML from Shiningbeam in the mail this week and I checked and it will fit perfectly in my R5-A3 with the strobe delete mod, my current amp draw.

Tail cap draw with freshly charged trust fire flame 14500.

High 1.648 amps
Med .467 amps
Low .168 amps

I think the low will not be low enough, but I could live with that. Does anyone want to guess what the max lumens on high will be?

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E1320 wrote:

OK so I got the 14mm XML from Shiningbeam in the mail this week and I checked and it will fit perfectly in my R5-A3 with the strobe delete mod, my current amp draw.

Tail cap draw with freshly charged trust fire flame 14500.

High 1.648 amps
Med .467 amps
Low .168 amps

I think the low will not be low enough, but I could live with that. Does anyone want to guess what the max lumens on high will be?

Thanks,

E

Assuming it has about the same draw I'd say around 600 lumen.
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JohnnyMac wrote:

E1320 wrote:

OK so I got the 14mm XML from Shiningbeam in the mail this week and I checked and it will fit perfectly in my R5-A3 with the strobe delete mod, my current amp draw.

Tail cap draw with freshly charged trust fire flame 14500.

High 1.648 amps
Med .467 amps
Low .168 amps

I think the low will not be low enough, but I could live with that. Does anyone want to guess what the max lumens on high will be?

Thanks,

E

Assuming it has about the same draw I'd say around 600 lumen.

 

I could not resist. I mounted the 14mm XML T6 from Shiningbeam, it fits perfect.

http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/the-253/**NEW**-Cree-XM-dsh-L-T6/Detail

 

Something weird happened when I went to check amperage at the tailcap with a freshly charged Trustfire flame 14500 at 4.135V I got:

1.813amps on high

.533amps on medium

.194 amps on low

It's pretty bright, the hotspot is bigger but with about the same brightness and a lot more flood. The low mode is acceptable. So if you buy the KD version of this light for $14, the Shiningbeam emitter for $11 and do the strobe delete mod for free you get a pretty sweet light for $25. The other strange thing is the light does not seam to heat up as fast or as much.

I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

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