Multi Tool Mania ( Leatherman MUT, ST 300, Charge TTI , Wave, Skeletool, Wingman, & Kick )

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Freman wrote:
The 9Cr/440C used in Ganzo knives and multi-tools is a better grade of steel than Victorinox use, and their heat treatment is good enough that cutting tests show it to last longer than Cold Steel’s AUS8A (and I love my Cold Steel knives). I just recently bought a Ganzo 711, looking for a small full flat grind knife with a decent blade, and it is certainly impressive (if not as comfortable in hand as my Lone Star Hunter).

Meanwhile, although my Charge TTi is awesome, and of course the S30V blade is better than any steel China produces at the moment, most Leatherman tools come with 420HC blades which are certainly good enough given that a Leatherman isn’t a dedicated knife, but even with a good heat treatment is only on par with the Chinese 8Cr13MoV.

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This is a debate that spilled over from another forum. I asked the simple question. For the price SAK/Victorinox charges. I don’t understand why they havent upgraded the steel they use? Apparently that is heresy in some venues.

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I guess they just stick with it because it works.

Developing a new steel would cut into time that they’d rather spend making and selling millions of knives a year.

Also, Victorinox aren’t an expensive knife (on eBay). As long as you’re buying them for their multi-tool function rather than as a dedicated knife they do all right. If you want a dedicated knife to go with one I suggest the Cold Steel Kudu or Eland (new this year) the Kudu is a terrific slicer (I sharpened mine to 15dps) and the Eland looks like it’ll be even better with a 5.25 inch blade. Both are around $10US.

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Racer wrote:
That Real Steel looks really interesting. I have a SRM with a razel blade like that but haven’t really used it. Either that reviewer has small hands or it’s bigger than it looks in the pictures. Definitely not opposed to paying that much if it’s worth it. Someone should buy one and report back Smile

Right now I think my next multi-tool will be a Charge TTi— still deciding.

I’m trying to resist the urge to buy a couple of SanRenMu slip joints so I can maybe buy one at the end of the month.

Someone was mentioning about carrying sheaths and I thought I’d mention these.

Carry All Pouches

The last couple of Enlan EL-01s that I’ve bought have had these with a little Enlan tag stitched to them so the Large size fits that, I’ve just measured an Enlan one and it’s 4.5 inches from the bottom to the side-top not including the flap.

“Black durable nylon case. For carry on belt in horizontal or vertical position.
Small: Fits 3in Knives/Tools
Medium:Fits ?
Large: Fits 4 1/2in Knives/Tools” £2.95 Large and Medium, £1.95 small.
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Then there’s Pouch Black Cordura Sheath

5”, 4” and 3” £1.95 each.
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I’ve been using this -

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For a week or more just household duty and I’ve found that I actually like it apart from slicimg cheese, it tends to cut where it wants to rather than where I want it to go. The edges are wickedly sharp, all three of them, I’ve been using the end edge to push-cut Paracord and it does so without effort.
The blade is super smooth to open and close without even a drop of oil added, they’re starting to get it right at SanRenMu on these new x0xx knives the 7010’s that I’ve got are like that as well.

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Freman wrote:
The 9Cr/440C used in Ganzo knives and multi-tools is a better grade of steel than Victorinox use, and their heat treatment is good enough that cutting tests show it to last longer than Cold Steel's AUS8A (and I love my Cold Steel knives). I just recently bought a Ganzo 711, looking for a small full flat grind knife with a decent blade, and it is certainly impressive (if not as comfortable in hand as my Lone Star Hunter). Meanwhile, although my Charge TTi is awesome, and of course the S30V blade is better than any steel China produces at the moment, most Leatherman tools come with 420HC blades which are certainly good enough given that a Leatherman isn't a dedicated knife, but even with a good heat treatment is only on par with the Chinese 8Cr13MoV.

 

What? I respect Ganzo(i have them several + multitool)  but quality of the blade is not even close to Victorinox hunter or leatherman tool/knife. I don't care for numbers I just care what I can do with knife and with ganzo you can not do much except some less demanding cutting, stabbing + self defense.

VX will do skinning job(small to middle game) easy without to much need of resharpening.

Chinese steel is not to good for serious work with poor heat treatment and it have tendentious to get dull rather quickly.

I strongly disagree with you.

Chinese steel numbers are like their "10 000 lumen" flashlights.

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Perhaps you must see some videos of a russian guy hard test with some ganzo models… They endure more than some knives ten times more expensive.

My reviews about knives: : http://chinese-knives.blogspot.com/

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I do stand corrected on one point. According to the Russian tester the 420HC used in the Leatherman Surge is slightly better than the 420HC used in the Buck 110 which is about equal to the “440C” used in the Ganzo G710. The difference between the 420s could be down to edge geometry. The AUS8A used by Cold Steel brackets the group being slightly worse in the Voyager, and slightly better in the Talwar, which suggests edge geometry is playing a part there too.

The 8Cr13MoV used in the Byrd Cara Cara 2, which would have Spyderco’s input on heat treatment, is well behind. M390 is a beast at edge holding. and even VG-10 is quite remarkable.

I really should get a ZDP Delica some time.

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xatu wrote:
Perhaps you must see some videos of a russian guy hard test with some ganzo models... They endure more than some knives ten times more expensive.

 

Yes I saw those tests and tried to cut branches with mine g704 you can stab through things you can torture it and it will not brake(good self defense knifes), it will only get dull...

When it comes to skinning job(little touch on the bone and it will be dull) it sucks and it sucks big time, blades gets dull rather quickly and I would never speak about that if I didn't tried so I know...

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Great thread!

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That Gerber looks very similar to the Chen Multitasker, same side button deploying and general handle similarities but The Gerber has pliers instead of shears.
I wonder who made them all, the Fiskars, Chen, Gerber all with the same mechanism.

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Just reading… They said the Slide mechanism was a patent design by Gerber… BUT… Gerber does use the Fiskar scissors… My conclusion? I have no freaking clue:D

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I have a Gerber like that myself. As I recall, Fiskar bought them at some point.

Edit: Part of fiskars as of 1987. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerber_Legendary_Blades

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wow that tool is gorgeous dude!

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I’m kinda glad I don’t have a multitool addiction. I find I’m quite satisfied with what I have(1), and feel no need to expand.



1. Juice S2, Tekut LK5050, and a keychain-sized diamond file.

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My dad has one of those Gerbers and they feel a little bulky compared to the Leatherman. Has anyone bought one of those Leatherman OHT I think they are called?
Spent my multi-tool money on watches Sad

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OHT looks good, especially for its one hand capabilities, yet Ive read that tools on it are on the short side, just like in Gerbers with those sliding pliers?

Otherwise looks great, but will these,with sliding pliers, theoretically, reach as far as traditionally engineered multi tools/be as usable in all situations?

Wouldnt mind someone gifting me one though :D!

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Veer any gerber tool in the same price range/cheaper as the rebar with near same functionality that you know of?

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Never looked at Gerber tools given amount of not so flattering reviews on them, plus AFAIK most of them are made in China these days(???).
Cheapo clones that cost around 10$ could be a gateway to original Gerbers just to see how good their tool sizing is IMO.

Oh, wait, gerber Splice, Dime and there was another tiny one that I looked at, but still, made in China so there are probably knock-offs out there on sale too.

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Racer wrote:
My dad has one of those Gerbers and they feel a little bulky compared to the Leatherman. Has anyone bought one of those Leatherman OHT I think they are called?
Spent my multi-tool money on watches Sad

The Leatherman OHT ‘Silver’
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I know many of their knives are made in China. But as you can see… The MP’s are clearly stamped Gerber USA… As to the negative reviews.. I have been using the MP400 compact for a couple weeks with no issues.

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You got that OHT used? I hope it didn’t come from the factory like that Wink

It looks like the pliers on the OHT come out similar to the Gerber?

This month, flashlight binge, next month, back to multi-tools.

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I used metal polish to get the OHT to that color…. It wasnt silver enough, I love it now. The Gerbers & OHT use similiar opening mechanisms

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Leatherman now offers three different colors of the OHT. Coyote brown, black, & Silver…

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Does a decent Chinese alternative to Leatherman Squirt PS4 exist? Main thing that attracts me to PS4 is size and weight – small/light enough for keychain. But it costs more than I would like to spend for such “toy” atm.

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Not sure what tools the PS4 has but I’m seriously tempted by the Jeep line of multitools.
This one in particular, seems like it would fit my EDC bag nicely.

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Those JEEP tools look nice but all of them are relatively large/heavy. When PS4 is:

  • BLADE LENGTH: 1.6 in | 4.06 cm
  • CLOSED LENGTH: 2.25 in | 5.72 cm
  • WEIGHT: 2 oz | 56.4 g

And although I carry what’s ironically called by some as “man-bag” (work phone, wallet, 3 sets of keys etc.). It’s not always with me. Whereas I do have my main key set 95% of time with me. Therefore something really small would be nice. But I wasn’t able to find anything as small and light as PS4 but of decent quality. Therefore I’ll probably just stick with Sanrenmu ZB-681 on my keychain.

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