They’re serious flooders though. Anyone who has handled a ‘serious’ thrower knows what I mean here.
Let the flaming darts commence! :bigsmile:
How come I never see anyone using hard driven XP-G2s in any multi-emitter lights?
This was essentially the basis of this post. Often I see posts stating that such and such multi-emitter rig is a really great thrower. Ok, but compared to what? Certainly not in comparison to plenty of single led rigs. Now as to your comment. XPG2’s are pretty floody in stock form in stock setups. So other than efficiency you don’t gain much over XML’s in general which are even floodier. De-dome an XPG2 and stick it in a typical small reflectored multi-emitter setup and you still don’t gain much over XML’s in general. De-dome it and put it in a larger reflector, let’s say at least a C8 and above in size and then it becomes a different story altogether.
The deal with multi-emitters is that the vast majority have relatively really small reflectors so no matter how much lumen oomph is pumped through them or how many reflectors they have, they still end up being serious flooders more than anything else. In comparison.
OTOH take for instance 3 de-domed DST’s with XML’s, strap them together and you have yourself one VERY serious multi-emitter thrower rig par excellance. (Ok so I’ve stretched what a true multi-emitter is here in that particular case.) The BTU and TK75 come closer to that model but even then they aren’t really serious throwers in comparison to truly serious throwers.
If ever a manufacturer puts together a rig like the forementioned hypothetical 3 x DST sized reflectors in one light then that’s a multi-emitter serious thrower. Heck fire, I’ll settle for even a 2 x DST rig. In the end of it all reflector size is still king if you want serious throw.
Agreed. I have several good throwers, including a Olight SR90, Trustfire X6, Defiant Super Thrower, Modded Ultrafire C8 Thrower, Couple HID Searchlights, etc. and in the “Flooder” class, two SRKs, ( one NW and one Warm White) a Skyray Kung M4, & various other flooders. Definitely a different class than the big single-emitter throwers.
I tried it once and even tried de-doming them. It didn’t work. Possibly in a BTU shocker with the big reflectors it would. My 6X throws through sheer force of will. It’s running over 3amps per emitter. Still won’t throw anything like a big reflector does though. It does light up half a forest 300 yards away. In fact it lights up that huge area as well as most stock throwers like the Small sun throwers light up part of one tree.
The Fenix TK70,TK75, and BTU shocker are throwers with good flood. The Lux numbers don’t lie.
If your over 60k lux I’d say its got throw. Whether its using 200 lumens or 5000 lumens. Whether using percision or raw horsepower, once it gets that far its a thrower to me 
+1
Ok, I'll take it up a notch.
If multi emitter lights like the RC40, TK75, TK70, BTU Shocker, etc, are not throwers because they light up an area as opposed to a spot, I contend all of your single emitter lights are also still anemic.
TN31mb? Hah! A joke.
Just try a laser instead ;) You'll be able to light a true pinpoint MILES away.
Personally I love my throwers, but come on? In actual utility where we're not spec ops commandos hunting down terrorist in fallujah, but regular guys who need to light something up a few 100 feet away.
The multi emitter AREA Throwes are in another league altogether in real life.
Not only do you light up what you want, but a fair sized area around it. These lights are reaching well past 100k lux now days... which matches or suprpasses many single emmiter dedicated throwers out there.
Let the single emitter is king flaming begin :p
Yeppers. Totally true. Little pin-point throwers have fallen off the wagon in my book (I’ve become convinced of this ever since I got the A60, which is not a very useful light at all). And the lux numbers can’t be wrong when they outclass and outmatch ANY single-emitter light.
The OP, in my view, is simply arguing his love for “the good ole days” when single emitters were all their was in the thrower class.
I just said they weren’t serious throwers. Big difference.
Lasers don’t count. They aren’t flashlights per se just like rockets aren’t airplanes. 
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Just because you throw a lot of lumens downrange and light up everything kinda creamy and real wide like doesn’t mean it’s a serious thrower. It may be a thrower but it ain’t serious. In fact I have lights that are single emitters that still flood up a pretty dang good size area around the hotspot but there’s no mistaking they’re in a thrower league of their own. Far from being pinpoint jobbies. I call those floowers. 
IMO floowers are the best of all worlds. And these multi-emitters coming out with up to 15 and beyond leds residing in inkydinky reflectors well to me just seems as silly as them there extra pinpoint single led useless dealies you don’t like. I guess pinpoint to some means something else to others tho.
Heck are we arguing or agreeing?
It's all in what the individual perceives as a "thrower". There's nothing that states a thrower has to be xxxxx lux or a certain diameter beam at a given distance, so there is no absolute answer. It is all in your minds.
Lasers are probably the best throwers, if distance is the determining factor.
Yep. When stock BTU’s are putting out 130kcd I would say the big multi emitter lights are pretty serious throwers. That is as good as a TN31. Pretty awesome imho,
But they have a REALLY crappy CRI…
I mean the kind that burn holes thru steel? 
Google ME163…
Here’s my friends scale model in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–1_pQj9kM2Q
BTW, if you want to buy a real one from WWII, I know where there’s one for sale… fairly cheap…
A rocket. Slender like. Like a pencil’s what I mean. Cool vid. I bet he needs a special license.
We all have level 3 certifications… we can fly just about anything. Flights above around “P” motor size need more than your standard level of FAA airspace waiver… lots more gooberment agencies get to stick their fingers in the pie.
We used to fly at a field a few miles from George Bush’s ranch. We had our own Secret Service agent on call. I can tell you that those people are a class act. Very professional and knowledgeable. Actually nice to work with. Can’t say that about a bunch of other agencies.
Why not? There are lots of portable handheld lasers out there.
They can be used to illuminate or point out a target far away.
If lasers don't count, are aspherics also out?
Sure you can ‘illuminate’ things with them but for the most part it isn’t very practical because for one thing the ‘hotspot’ is too intense and too small.
Aspherics are flashlights as flashaholics know and understand them. So they’re in.
All this discussion really brings me to another point. What are multi-emitter lights really good for in practical real life?
How often do you really need to illuminate a football field sized area?
I guess I find myself being perfectly happier illuminating 1/4 of a football field but a whole heck of a lot brighter.
Case in point. I shine a serious thrower into a real densely leafed branched tree in search of woody woodpecker from 300 yards away. Which light do I reach for? A multi-emitter or a serious thrower?
See? Practical woody woodpecker searches need serious throwers. Or even floowers. :bigsmile: