Review: The P60 budget host trio from MF

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Review: The P60 budget host trio from MF

ULTRAFIRE P60 TRIO

THE STORY OF THE 3 CLONES WHO TRAVELED FROM CHINA TO EU

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It's a story that begun when Surefire designed a 6P flashlight which was a great success. Apparently that sprung a ton of clones around the world. The most notable are The sloarforces who started with the L2. What about the others?

Can others make nice flashlight hosts for less? Yes, pretty much so. Even with variety!

The three P60 hosts are these:

The black one Ultrafire WF-504B - Black

The space one Sky Ray S-R5

The silver one Ultrafire WF-504B - Silver

 

Machining is good not exceptional but good. Still reasonably well made and for what you pay are quite nice. Actually i don't have any complaints.

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It's worth to mention that MF takes time to package these to resist and survive scratch/ding free even the most harsh enviroments. Also known as HK post.

These feature a recessed tailcap button and can even tailstand stock. Even the skyray one althrough not prefectly. Switching the tailcap silicone cover would be probably enough. Why the orange one? Who knows... since they manufacture the orange ones they must find a host to greet it with from time to time. The SKYRAY was the "lucky" one...

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Most of the time there is some arguing which P60 are compatible with each other or better will it blend? Pretty much so!

 

 

 

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I really doubt anyone would like those that way. If you order all three together thank MF packing policy to not recieve them that way by HK post handling/leg-ling?.

Lego test passed!

How bout the threads? Worth a look? Yep!

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Pretty decent long threading on all samples. Notably longer on the black sample. Smooth enough, and all came generously lubed as a surprise. Perhaps someone at MF instructed the manufacturer to do the lube job properly. These were by far the most properly lubed P60 hosts i ever had. It's not a big deal but it is nice nonetheless.

 

Internals and bezels?

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With the exception of the SKYRAY body the internals are the usual deal. You can drop a 16850 battery through the tube easily. The SKYRAY will not allow that. I Like that. Inner diameter is about the same in all and can vary a bit from sample to sample i realized in the last half year. For everyone that like FoyzelsTM (Foy made bezels) these come with non agressive bezels with the exception of the SKYRAY which features a slight crenellation. I guess it sticks with the designs pretty nicely to not bother grinding it down.

For heatsinking these are all about equal... Perhaps the SKYRAY would be the winner since it has more total surface (regardless of mass). The better your dropin is made and the better you wrap it to snug fit in there the better the thermals. Variation from these hosts should be minimal.

These lonely three will soon have their shiny new custom built dropin. Untill then they will shine on my desk to remind me to do the dropins for them. Smile

They can be had for much less solarforce asks for their L2. Cheaper and stock deweaponized. You decide if thats enough to buy. I did.  Smile

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I may have to get a Skyray someday. Those are 3 nice hosts.

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Of that bunch I have the sky ray and like it. The bezel is pretty nice but won't fit into a solarforce L2i head. It is too small. Everyone who plays with that flashlight likes it best. $8 you can't go wrong.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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I have the black 504 and the SkyRay. No issues with either one, except the SkyRay's o-ring on the head is so tight you keep twisting it thinking you are still working the threads, when all you have to do is pull at that point to get the head off. For 8 bucks each, I thought they were quite a good deal.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

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Be-Seen Triker wrote:

I too like the Sky*Ray.  The only con I have with it is that you cannot open up the switch.  It is a press fit unit so I'd need some spares before I'd attempt that one.

I can dismantle my skyray switch. Not press fit. o.O Use some pointy tweezers to unscrew the plastic switch retainer. Would be better if they bade it from aluminium but i guess you can't have all.

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Be-Seen Triker wrote:

I too like the Sky*Ray.  The only con I have with it is that you cannot open up the switch.  It is a press fit unit so I'd need some spares before I'd attempt that one.

I could take the switch out (and did since the were some flicker problems with it). Didn't find a suitable replacement and put it back, now it seems to have stopped flickering...

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mfm wrote:

Be-Seen Triker wrote:

I too like the Sky*Ray.  The only con I have with it is that you cannot open up the switch.  It is a press fit unit so I'd need some spares before I'd attempt that one.

I could take the switch out (and did since the were some flicker problems with it). Didn't find a suitable replacement and put it back, now it seems to have stopped flickering...

There are at least 2 Skyray versions out there with fascinating differences.... there are a lot. One of them is completely different tailcaps. Will do pics to show them....

DX Version ordered 02/26/2010

LT  Version ordered 03/03/2011 replacement for switch issues shipped 04/30/2011

Sky Ray S-R5 Above LT 2011 Below DX 2010

Sky Ray S-R5 Above LT 2011 Below DX 2010

Differences: Length of grooves in tailcaps, colour of the bodies, rubber rings position modified for bike light purposes (by me).

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Differences: Height of bezel rings

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Differences: internals of tailcap completely different, wall thickness of aluminium alloy (LT very thin)...different lanyard holes.... completely different tailcaps except for the orange rubber switch-cap.

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Sky Ray S-R5 Left DX 2010 Right LT 2011

Update: Mine is the one from LT .... had also flickering problems... took it apart and they seem gone most of the time (very irritating)....but I didn't change anything... 2 retainer rings ... outer one white plastic with brass metal cap for contact... inner retainer ring aluminium which holds switch (with traditional spring)... light functions well without plastic retainer and brass contact cap. The DX one isn't mine, but it seems to be unscrew-able also, but it didn't have no contact issues in over a year.  Most fascinating are the different wall thicknesses on the tailcaps, this fact makes me believe that they are produced in different factories.

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Vectrex wrote:
There are at least 2 Skyray versions out there with fascinating differences.... there are a lot. One of them is completely different tailcaps. Will do pics to show them....

That both have the same SkyRay print on them? A cheaper copy of the cheap copy of the SP-6? Amazing.

I have the original batch (With the drop-in that says FIVE MODEL and works fine with 2xCR123A). So the ones sold now are of even worse quality with a pressed in switch? Good luck I didn't order any more then.

EDIT: From the pictures it seems that both your versions have switches that can be taken out?

Budgeteer wrote:

Why the orange one? Who knows... since they manufacture the orange ones they must find a host to greet it with from time to time. The SKYRAY was the "lucky" one...

I know why. It's a cheap copy of the Lumensfactory SP-6 and the original tailcap was orange so of course the imitation has to have one too.

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mfm wrote:

Vectrex wrote:
There are at least 2 Skyray versions out there with fascinating differences.... there are a lot. One of them is completely different tailcaps. Will do pics to show them....

That both have the same SkyRay print on them? A cheaper copy of the cheap copy of the SP-6? Amazing.

I have the original batch (With the drop-in that says FIVE MODEL and works fine with 2xCR123A). So the ones sold now are of even worse quality with a pressed in switch? Good luck I didn't order any more then.

EDIT: From the pictures it seems that both your versions have switches that can be taken out?

Budgeteer wrote:

Why the orange one? Who knows... since they manufacture the orange ones they must find a host to greet it with from time to time. The SKYRAY was the "lucky" one...

I know why. It's a cheap copy of the Lumensfactory SP-6 and the original tailcap was orange so of course the imitation has to have one too.

 

There is also the identical Uniquefire R5 (Which came with an R4 dropin just to confuse people). Mine has the plastic removable switch retaining ring.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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I updated the post above.

I always wondered why the Skyray didn't get more praises from BLF members, when it came to build quality. I would rate the old DX ones (host only) very good and the LT one only mediocre, because of the thin walls on the tailcap and the contact problems. On the other hand, the dropin which came with the DX one only lasted less than a month, due to a burned driver. The imprints on the lights are the same Sky-Ray....Hot surface... The only way to tell them apart from the outside is the length of the grooves on the tailcaps.

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There are quite a few copies of the Sereph out there ..[ Same factory ? different printing ? ] Which is best ? 

I can vouch for the Sky Ray , so far so good . 

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Vectrex wrote:

I updated the post above.

I always wondered why the Skyray didn't get more praises from BLF members, when it came to build quality. I would rate the old DX ones (host only) very good and the LT one only mediocre, because of the thin walls on the tailcap and the contact problems. On the other hand, the dropin which came with the DX one only lasted less then a month, due to a burned driver. The imprints on the lights are the same Sky-Ray....Hot surface... The only way to tell them apart from the outside is the length of the grooves on the tailcaps.

I have the same tailcap grooves as your DX 2010 one, but the switch internals seems to be as your LT 2011 verson (black cap), unless you mixed up left and right the the lower pictures.

What drop-in did you have in your DX version?

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The one I got from Manafont is the same as the LT one. I've never had any issues with it. Mine tailstand perfectly, the button does not protrude although it is as close as it can be. I can see that there could certainly be variables there. It has a nice snappy button too. It seems to scratch very easily also.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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So mfm , you are right, I did the old switcheroo in the description on the lower pics ... now corrected.. sorry for the confusion.

LT 2011: Long tailcap grooves, white plastic internals, brass contact cap, thin walls on tailcap.

DX 2010: Short tailcap grooves, black plastic internals, silver steel contact cap, much much thicker walls on tailcap.

So Manafont is selling the better version, which is like the old DX ones?

And Lightake the not-so-good one?

Damn should have ordered at Manafont , they seem to be better and cheaper.

This was the DX Version ordered on 02/26/2010 ... advertised as XP-E R4,  but came as an XP-G ..probably R5 .... man DX hasn't updated this mistake in over a year.... overall still the best 1*18650 host body for a bike light together with this bike mount, when the first rubber ring is removed.

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My DX driver lasted less than a minute. They said it would work with 2xRCR123.

 

It wouldn't.

 

Sad

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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The DX one didn't even survive a 18650 battery. Host very good - dropin very bad ... at least back in 2010.

This pic is from MF shows short grooves and a hint of a brass conctact I believe... so it's all a big lottery:

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To add more confusion, This is  one ordered from MF a few months ago.  almost a hybrid of the two.

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Strange, no 1st plastic retainer ring... looks like alu ... it gets stranger by the minute.

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Is the switch looking like this, held by a second retainer ring made of alu?:

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This one came from MF one month ago

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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Budgeteer:  Do you have any Solarforce L2 variants?  If yes, how would you compare them against the WF-504b?

Thanks!

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+2, that's what mine looks like as well.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

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ronparr wrote:

Budgeteer:  Do you have any Solarforce L2 variants?  If yes, how would you compare them against the WF-504b?

Thanks!

I have only a fake solarforce L2, a uniquefire L2 and some others... pretty much on par with those.

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ronparr wrote:

Budgeteer:  Do you have any Solarforce L2 variants?  If yes, how would you compare them against the WF-504b?

Thanks!

I've got a KD 'Solarforce' L2 and a 504B. The 504B has a slightly (~1mm) narrower battery tube and has less metal in the head than the L2.

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Here is another comparison photo showing the 504B, the Sky Ray, a Solarforce L2 and a Solarforce L2i

That L2i is really growing on my; I like the fact it is shorter than the others.

 

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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So, you like the L2i, do you?

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Yes, I like it very much. Shorter, CHEAPER, and I like the heft of the larger diameter battery tube.

Not much to dislike about the light.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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Very nice Budgeteer! It's nice to see a comparison review. As usual, great photography. Thanks for the details!

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Its funny how thatL2i will grow on you. Im really loving mine. I even just ordered a new black one. I think my perfect light would be a 2mm longer L2iP.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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The longer I own the L2i the more I like it.  The knurling on it is better (I think) than an L2 or an L2P.  Probably my 2nd fav light right now.

uh oh.

I feel it happening again.  They still had those in stock, right?

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Unfortunately I sold my Sky Ray, so I can't compare, but here is how the original switch looks like:

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