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Flashlight Foy wrote:

I learned with a Lee Loader!!  

Hehe...yup!  That was my first loader too... At first it was quite unsettling using a hammer and loader to seat a primer, and agonizingly slow, but still fun Smile

Current reloading is provided courtesy of an old rcbs single stage, and a newer lee pro1000 progressive. 

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I want to carry! I want to hunt with handguns!

Can I? No! They would lock me up for life. God damn socialist government and their suppressive legistlation.Yell 

You think there would be employment for Finnish speaking insurance specialist in U.S? 

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It's interesting to hear people from less gun-tolerant countries talk - firearms were such an integral part of growing up for me.  I remember walking down my semi-rural street after school with my buddies, each of us 13 years old with a shotgun resting over our forearm . . . neighbors waving a casual hello.  Our dads all started us in similar ways; with shotguns you began with a 410, then dad's 20 gauge and one memorable Christmas, Foy got a new Remington 870.  With hand guns, it started for me with a standard barrel Mark II, then my dad's model 10 (that's the one I Lee Loaded .38s for) and on and on . . . .357s, 41 mag, 223, 30 carbine, 30-40 Krag, 30.06, 7 mag, multiple .22s . . .

I've been away from it a few years but after talking here, I'm thinking I need to blow the dust off my presses.

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Unfortunately Mr. Foy, times have changed for the worse.  In high school, used to bring 1 or 2 of my long guns on the bus with a few boxes of shells, stash it in my locker all day, then afterschool practice pluggin clay pidgeons & paper with other members of 'the rifle club'.  Similar to the chess or debate club - we just went behind the school after normal classes to compete in a mini IPSC, & had weekly meets with other high school rifle clubs. 

Can you imagine 40 or 50 teenagers bringing shotguns & rifles to a high school nowadays!!!  Surprised

And yup, Remington 870!!!  My 14th birthday present, went pheasant hunting same day with my Dad!  Also bagged my first deer with that lovely shotgun few monhs later shooting slugs thru it.

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I miss those days sometimes.  We were taught well, were fiercely serious about safety even though we were stupid and reckless about most other things.  When it came to firearms, our parent's trust in our responsible gun behavior was well justified.

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It's funny (well not funny, actually)... It's sad what two school shootings in little more than year can do to a country's gun legistlation. And It's also funny weird how differently people react in different countries. After Luby's massacre in Texas in 1991, people demanded more rights to carry firearms, and shall-issue law was passed couple of years later. After the Finnish school shootings everyone wants to ban all handguns. There's a nationwide campaing going on ever since declaring all handguns evil and their lawful owners some kind of massacre-plotting psycopaths. It's gotten really ugly here really fast. But since Finns are hunters since generations ago there's no one demanding ban on long firearms. It's just really weird here with the guns nowadays and my head hurts when thinking about it too much.

Well, guess it could be worse. It could be like UK. That would suck.

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It's a P220. I used this one in the army as my personal arm. We have the right to keep them if we retire. I don't have any fotos of it, but here is the link to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P220

It's clumsy and a bit heavy, but if it's good for the army, it's ok for me. It does the job, it makes big holes.Cool

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I love the smell of rotten eggs in the morning. This is my favorite gun.

 

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We got a new gun law here, in effect from today. It's great... Let's see now... Age limit for getting a handgun license went up to 20. And one must proof that he has been into shooting sports for minimum of 2 years before he can apply for own handgun (see the pattern here?). And everyone must have a written document from an firearms instructor (which do not exist at this point in the eyes of the law) that his shooting hobby is regular. And all the handgun licenses are granted for maximun of 5 years, after which one must apply for it again. And an application for firearm license costs 72 euros. And everyone applying handgun license must fill a questionnaire of 270 questions (do you have friends? Do you enjoy violence etc). And all the applicants must attend to a 30 min private discussion with the licence official (police). Doctors are oblicated (not allowed, oblicated) to report to police whenever they suspect that a certain person might pose a "risk" (risk to what? that's not explained in the law). Yep, there goes the doctor-patient confidiality. Oh yes, and all handgun applicants are required to be a member of a shooting club so there goes the Finnish constitution and freedom to (or not to) unite. Also the stuff requiring licensing are in addition to complete guns: barrels, frames, suppressors, locking device (slide, bolt etc) and cartridge chamber (what?!). This is one f-ed up nation I tell you.

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HID45 wrote:
We got a new gun law here [etc]

Just remember, when they come to take your guns away, give them the lead first.

--Bushytails

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bushytails wrote:

HID45 wrote:
We got a new gun law here [etc]

Just remember, when they come to take your guns away, give them the lead first.

--Bushytails

AMEN!!
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tactical!

 

double-barreled fun

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sixfink wrote:

tactical!

 

double-barreled fun

 

Just out of interest, is that legal?

 

Anywhere?

 

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Of course it is - it's a SolarForce T4 powered by 2 x AA's (now replaced by two of the four hybrid DuraLoops Jeff (Boaz) sent me. Neat little batteries - still need a good charger, though.)

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Of course it is - it's a SolarForce T4 powered by 2 x AA's (now replaced by two of the four hybrid DuraLoops Jeff (Boaz) sent me. Neat little batteries - still need a good charger, though.)

 

Laughter!

 

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had a weapon similar 20 years ago. it was just brutal to shoot.

i liked until i realized you cant really have any kind of conversation about it with any authority, and its remarkably inaccurate.

uncomfortable, inaccurate, and highly illegal. triple threat. i put a short stock back on it and the shortest legal barrel i could. far superior weapon in any tactical situation. ghost rings and a fenix ld20. the feds would hate but so far, its still legal.

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once you figure out how to avoid the recoil, it's amazingly easy on the wrists, even single-handed. Just get the angle right or it's gonna be painful.

It's like handling mercury - a kind of art on its own.

 

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sixfink wrote:

It's like handling mercury - a kind of art on its own.

 

Sure is. Just don't ask about methylmercury or dimethylmercury. You have exactly one chance to get it right. You'll get it wrong once. The chance to get it wrong again won't be available.

 

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I knew that'd trigger the chemist in you, Don!  Wink

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I knew that'd trigger the chemist in you, Don!  Wink

 

You got it! Some things you don't forget. The dangers of organomercury compounds are one of those. Dying at the hands of the stuff I'm working with comes high on the list of things I don't want to do.

 

Mercury is one of those things you really, really don't want to mess with. Yon stuff kills.

 

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Ok, enough blabber about those boring "light" thingys... Let's see some real hardware for a change.

Took some more pics of my T/C R-55. I have very mixed feelings about this gun. It is good gun. Great even. But for very small effort it would have been epic. It's reliable, sturdy, solid, tough, and accuracy is just phenomenal for a out-of-the-box semi auto rifle. It has done 9mm group of 5 shots from 50 meters with CCI Standard. That's way less than MOA, shot at indoor range. At outdoor range it gives reliable MOA groups from bipod rest. But... It's heavy. I mean wow... 7,5 lbs. Plus scope base, scope rings, scope, bipod base, bipod, sling... It's heavy I tell you. Well I guess you can't have everything. T/C used only steel parts in action. Only plastic part is the stock. Not sure if there's aluminium at all. Maybe the bolt lever. So at least it should last forever. 

Also the stock is useless. First of all it interferes with the barrel. Well not anymore, but as a standard it did. And it does not fit me very well in standing position. And the buttplate is too narrow and has sharp edges. And the pull length to the trigger is just ridiculous long. And the trigger... It's bad. Not as bad as standard 10/22 trigger, but it's bad. And you need two different size screwdrivers to take it apart. And the cleaning a real PITA. Lot of small and sharp holes and canyons for the crap to build up and fossilize. But after all in the end it performs and that's what matters. So it's a keeper. T/C had to discontinue is as it didn't sell well enough. With some minor tweaks it might have. But as is it didn't have a chance against 10/22 or 597.

And yeah, I'm terrible at taking pics of long guns. They just keep on going... Pistols are easy. So here it is in it's current form. Tomorrow it will boast new 6-24x42 scope for some serious group hunting. Now it has Sightron 3-9x40 which is going on top of my Remington.

 

Our border terrier came to check the situation

 

Look! It's All Weather (who came up with that font... that guy needs to go). I don't have to take it inside when it's raining or snowing. How nice.

 

What's it with Americans and warning labels...? It's a gun. Bullets go in from one end and exit (rapidly) from another. Not rocket science. Did not read the manual. Maybe I should order a free one from T/C.

 

The business end.

 

Ok, enough about that gun. Let's see something else. Here are my Remington 700 ADL in .243Win and Miroku 800 from '70s. I bought the Remington used. Have shot it about 10 times. It's waiting the next hunting season, which starts in couple of months. I did order the laminate camo stock from Boyd's. It's pretty cool, but has some colouring flaws. Didn't care to return it though. It's not a show gun after all and after first trip to the woods it will be dented in ways it can't really suspect right now. Also needed to remove some material from barrel chute to get the barrel to float freely. 

Miroku is my skeet gun, but it will see some hunting action also. Quite limited, as it's 12/70 and has fixed skeet choke in both barrels. So only close target for this gun. Luckily the woods here tend to be thick so the visibility is not over 20 meters very often. That Miroku was made in time (turn of '70s and '80s) and place (Japan) where companies and workers took pride of their work. That very good quality gun. Stands with Berettas and such. I've had it couple of years now. No idea how much it has been shot. It's plenty however. Blueing has worn from where hand often makes contact with the frame so it has not been a shelf queen. Still closes like a vault (from Fallouts) and fires every time. I love this gun. 

 

Look at the length of that shotgun. It was made in a time when 26" barrels were standard in skeet. The direction of those light barrels could be changed quickly. Since that they have learned to make long and light barrels and the standard length for skeet is 30" nowadays I suppose. Some use 32" even. It's easy to find my own from the gun rack at the range. I just grab the shortest one. 

With that, we can conclude the gun-blabbering session by HID45 for tonight. Now I've shown you all my guns and I don't have plans to get more in a while so we'll see when we'll continue. Stay tuned.

Edit.

Oh, one more picture I have to share with you. It does not have relevance to anything, but still. Those pics I posted are taken on my back yard. This pic was taken from the same place in the end of March this year.

 


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Nice! 

 

 

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Last couple of days I have put over 500 .22LR rounds through my R-55 at the range. It seems to really like SK Standard Plus ammo. It was a windy day at the range last monday, but here are the best 5 shot groups shot during calm perioids.

Left one is 10mm, right one 9mm, shot from 50 meters with bipod support (that would be .3937", .3543" and 55 yards for those that are metrically challenged). No fancy shooting rests or such. I'd say that's adequate accuracy for out-of-the-box semi-auto rifle.

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Nice shootin', HID!


 

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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Blooming amazing shooting, HID, if it was a windy day.   Well done.   If the rabbits hear about it they'll all leave Finland pronto...Wink

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my CX4 9mm with beretta 92 mags so i get 32 rounders in it. upgraded trigger group from sierra papa

Is that an XML? sure is!

 

my pride and joy

Stag Model 8 with:

Vtor medium charging handle

Magpul BAD lever

Magpul MIAD pistol grip

Samson quad rail

Magpul Ladder Rail gaurds

Magpul AFG (should have gotten AFG2)

L5 Advanced warfighter magazine (also have LOTS of Magpul Pmags w/ windows)

DX Walther Red Dot (has held up quite well to abuse. good parallax too)

Flip up iron sights

Magpul trigger guard (aluminum)

 

also own a Mosin-Nagant, Heavily modded Mossberg Maverick 88 and a Marlin XT-22 (super accurate!)

 

Remember kids, a side arm is just that. It should be your LAST resort in a fight. people who prefer it for home defense, well good luck to you!

Id rather have 30 rounds of 5.56 OR 32 rounds of 9mm in a longer barrel. IMO

 

(disclaimer: ALL PHOTOS WERE TAKING WITH EMPTY CHAMBERS. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CHAMBER HAS BEEN EMPTIED PRIOR TO DISS-ASSEMBLY OR PHOTO SHOOTS.)

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Remember kids, a side arm is just that. It should be your LAST resort in a fight. people who prefer it for home defense, well good luck to you!

Id rather have 30 rounds of 5.56 OR 32 rounds of 9mm in a longer barrel. IMO

Nice hardware you got there xP.

 

I tried to ignore this comment but I just couldn't resist. Defending one's home with firearms is strictly illegal here, so one can not get a gun license for home defense. If could, I would go for short barrel short stock semi-auto shotgun. That would give some massive firepower and speed without too much penetration that damages your house.

But now that I have some guns around, I of course would defend my home with what I have. That would be my Beretta 92 then. And well... I'm among 100 top production division IPSC pistol shooters in Finland and if someone tried to break in while I'm around... it would not and well for them no matter what weapons they were carrying. In such a close quarters and limited space a long barrel would just be in the way. And when shooting distances would be like 5 meters or under in every scenario, long stock just is not needed for accuracy.

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you may be better with a pistol, but most people wont be proficient enough.

and have you considered your situation yet? adrenalin? 4" barrel is gonna move alot more than a 12 or 16" secured to your shoulder by a stock

 

remember, when you are talking home defense, a pistol is still less than ideal.

it puts a round down range that wouldnt take down a 160 lb deer. you expect it to take out a 250 lb human high on drugs?

 

i agree with the shotgun, if saiga's were legal here, id own one. but my state has retarded laws.

i own a pump action instead, but prefer the CX4 and the AR15 to home defense.  my 92 is simply a sidearm, and used when i dont have time to reload, or am out of ammo.

5.56x45 is a much more effective round IMO. if  you use it to hunt, its sufficient for home defense.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

spend some time going through that and researching human psychology and the reaction to stress such as a break in.

youll start thinking maybe a rifle round is better.

 

esp when you see how drywall will stop a 5.56x45, but not a 9x19.

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Foy,

My respect grows the more I read your posts.

I'm a knife/gun/flashlight guy too.

Rather new to the forum. I haven't posted any picts yet.

Let's see...

Here's what drew me to BLF...

Bushy w/SolarForce P2

3 GLOCK .40's

 

I used to compete in the "GLOCK Shoot" matches, in three divisions. Loads O' fun, (sorry, couldn't resist the pun).

I reload too, not so much now, 32,000 rounds of .40 S&W, reloaded and fired in 2005 though.

Keep 'em comin' Foy!

later,

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I reload too, not so much now, 32,000 rounds of .40 S&W, reloaded and fired in 2005 though.

Heck that's over 100 rounds a day, 6 days a week, every week for a year...........Surprised

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