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Cellguy, just to make sure im clear; if you get 10 buyers in two days, the GB will still run until 9/30 no matter what (unless there isnt enough buyers at the end). Just want to make sure I can plan this out right and get the $ in time.

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Vinh you want me to contact my work and have them switch my direct deposit to yoir account? Might make things easier in the future Wink

PP will probably accuse him of money laundering soon enough.

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Cellguy, just to make sure im clear; if you get 10 buyers in two days, the GB will still run until 9/30 no matter what (unless there isnt enough buyers at the end). Just want to make sure I can plan this out right and get the $ in time.

10 is the minimum threshold, not the max. There is no order limit/cap at this time. I cannot offer the sale price without at least 10 sales to make the incoming shipping reasonable enough.

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Yhpm and thanks for GB.

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Livinloud wrote:
Vinh you want me to contact my work and have them switch my direct deposit to yoir account? Might make things easier in the future Wink

LOL Smile

I can write more about the mod details of these lights once I get going on them. For now my descriptions are the best I can offer.

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Yhpm

Had to google that lol. Responded.

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cellguy][quote=Livinloud wrote:
Cellguy, just to make sure im clear; if you get 10 buyers in two days, the GB will still run until 9/30 no matter what (unless there isnt enough buyers at the end). Just want to make sure I can plan this out right and get the $ in time.

10 is the minimum threshold, not the max. There is no order limit/cap at this time. I cannot offer the sale price without at least 10 sales to make the incoming shipping reasonable enough.[/quote

Will the GB continue past Sept. 30th if demand is still there?

On the other hand, how will the XML2 VostroVN’s throw compare to the TN31VN, Kcd-wise? Hell, I can’t even decide which light!

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Some unhappy news to report. Niwalker has demanded the end to this group buy. While the “See Price in Cart” model of MAP compliance is a widely accepted practice it is Niwalker’s assertion that I have violated their MAP policy by publicly providing a coupon code directly related to one of their products. While no pricing or discount information was conveyed or advertised in the listing their USA dealers and International Distributor were unhappy with the GB and complained to Niwalker.

MAP is Minimum Advertised Price. This listing never advertised price. Be that as it may, Niwalker refused to fill any orders related to this campaign so it must end.

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I'm seriously interested in why manufacturers are so strict with MAPs.

Is it to protect other shops that sell their products?

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I’m seriously interested in why manufacturers are so strict with MAPs.

Is it to protect other shops that sell their products?

The purpose of MAP is to create a fair and level playing field for all dealers regardless of size when advertising most any product from grills to cell phones to flashlights. I have read hundreds of MAP agreements and not a single one ever addresses a final sale price, just the advertised price. In this specific case Niwalker was responding to the complaints of their established dealer base – this would have been just my second order with them. I did not violate MAP since no price was ever advertised. However, it it is still their prerogative to fill an order or not. I requested a written MAP policy but was not provided one. I assume they did not want me to post it as proof I did not violate it and they were simply cowing to their dealers demands.

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if niwalker cannot support such BLF activity, why does BFL family support niwalker?

 

 

dinogirl told me to girlcott niwalker products. so now we are two! Silly

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Sigh, Niwalker or any of its distributors won’t be getting any money for its products.

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Well Niwalker just lost a ton of customers! Could we do something similar but instead of listing a coupon, we would have to PM you for the “details”?

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This is disappointing. It is the third group buy that I can recall that has fallen through. A simple question to those organising such deals: wouldn’t it make more sense to have the details agreed with the dealer/distributor/manufacturer before making any Group Buy announcements?

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Sorry vinh - from post #1, it sounded like you did one of these before. I'm thinking it's just another packaging of the TN31 and K40 internals, though I do like the looks of the packaging better on this BK-FA01. I'm thinking it will not get better #'s than a TN31, but who knows, maybe, or maybe equal. I was thinking it was a 4 series cell, but Dale is saying it's 2P2S, which actually makes some sense if the driver is identical to the TN31/K40.

This GB termination from Niwalker sucks...

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Tom E wrote:
This GB termination from Niwalker sucks...

i don't know who s*cks.

Niwalker?

or the US-dealer who complained?

 

can't be both. that would be weird. who s*cks whom Wink

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Tom E wrote:

I’m thinking it’s just another packaging of the TN31 and K40 internals, though I do like the looks of the packaging better on this BK-FA01. I’m thinking it will not get better #‘s than a TN31, but who knows, maybe, or maybe equal. I was thinking it was a 4 series cell, but Dale is saying it’s 2P2S, which actually makes some sense if the driver is identical to the TN31/K40.

This GB termination from Niwalker sucks…

It is 2S2P, and there are in depth reviews with comparative beamshots and runtime graphs to the TN31 (HERE).

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Some unhappy news to report. Niwalker has demanded the end to this group buy. While the “See Price in Cart” model of MAP compliance is a widely accepted practice it is Niwalker’s assertion that I have violated their MAP policy by publicly providing a coupon code directly related to one of their products. While no pricing or discount information was conveyed or advertised in the listing their USA dealers and International Distributor were unhappy with the GB and complained to Niwalker.

MAP is Minimum Advertised Price. This listing never advertised price. Be that as it may, Niwalker refused to fill any orders related to this campaign so it must end.

such bs – everyone else does coupon codes from illumination supply to amazon…. shame on you niwalker.

ill take my money somewhere else

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
Best wish, May
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Yep, thanx Red - just went thru the review. More convincing it's the same driver OEM'd, should be easy to resistor mod or bridge, de-domed XM-L2 should be in the 400's in kcd if bridges resistors, in a nicer package than the TN31 - just dunno if it can match the TN31 #'s.

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My oh my oh my….

First it was me and Bill of Doingoutdoor

Then this……

Something’s got to give….this is too much…boycott?

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such bs – everyone else does coupon codes from illumination supply to amazon…. shame on you niwalker.

ill take my money somewhere else

This is sooo true, a lot of the business these dealers get is from BLF and CPF. People just need to start boycotting the ones that are being way over the top on the map practice. Speak with your wallets, they will hear us!

There is obviously A LOT of money to be made on some of these lights, a discount helps us out and the dealer is still doing pretty good I would imagine also. There are only a handful of U.S dealers that even sell these. Take a look and I am sure it would not be that hard to figure out who it was. Maybe people should not only stay away from manufacturer, but also the rat dealers out there who are mad that they can not gouge us at the full retail or the tiny 5% off code they are offering.

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The bad publicity these companies are receiving with their M.A.P hardly appears to be worth the effort.

We should collaborate a list, linking to the specific examples and promote it so it’s prominent in search engine searches.
See how they like it when we bitch slap them around a bit.

Further to that, pricing is not equal world wide anyhow.
Check out European/Australian pricing compared to American/Asian pricing.
If they desire to ensure equality/fairness, that’s the first issue they should be addressing.
Ensuring pricing is the same as USA Asian pricing world wide.

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it is Niwalker’s assertion that I have violated their MAP policy by publicly providing a coupon code directly related to one of their products. While no pricing or discount information was conveyed or advertised in the listing their USA dealers and International Distributor were unhappy with the GB and complained to Niwalker.

has this “distributor” also complained about the “other” TWO dealers that are/were doing the same freaking thing?

my dad just bought a vostro mtg2 with a coupon code for $140 somewhere else 2 weeks ago.

i hope this distributor is happy, hes not going to get me to buy this light for $180, $125, or even $14. id rather wipe my own ass with my $ than give it to niwalker at this point.

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don’t you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

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Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don’t you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

Do you mean to say that Cellguy is not an authorized dealer but I’m almost sure he got his stock from an authorized dealer of Niwalker since there is no known dealer of Niwalkers other than those authorized, right? Obviously, after he gets to pay his lights from an authorized dealer, you don’t have anything to do with how much he will sell those lights.

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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don't you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

Niwalker shill, you don't have a written MAP agreement do you?  Group buy or not is none of your business.  MAP may be, but you better damn well have a written MAP agreement that any dealer can access so as not to violate your rules.

There's no trouble for me.  It's you that has lost what could have been a happy customer and reviewer.  Better lights are coming that will cost less money.  All you've done is save me money.

The low mode should be lower.

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Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don’t you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

this was a group buy – you would have only gained business and happy customers by hopping aboard with e2 field gear and seeing this whole process through.

you have actually lost customers and money because of this. good job – i hope you are happy with your actions.

your account should be banned from this forum and niwalker customer service put on the main forum “avoid” list

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don’t you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

your account should be banned from this forum and niwalker customer service put on the main forum “avoid” list

Halleluyah! No one deserves this treatment more than Niwalker, the company.

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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don’t you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

Niwalker has ensured I will never buy or recommend any of their products that’s for sure.

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