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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don't you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

If you want to explain, please go ahead. The above statement does not.

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This is Niwalker’s email to the original Vostro GB that I organized that was also cancelled:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/22095

Please stop your group buy activity on your site. You are not an authorized dealer selling our products. If you wish to work with us you need to at least follow our MAP.

We won`t offer you any Niwalker products as for now.

Best regards,

Tony Sung | General Manager

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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
Hey guys we would like to make things clearly here. We do not/will not support any people who trying to get fast cash out of a sales. We do not mind GB activity as we know this will grow our customer base but this has to go through an authorized dealer only. Don't you think anyone who wants start GB should have discussed with us before anything they planning to do? We are sorry for so many troubles here but please understand why we are doing this.Thanks

Hi Amanda Lee,

A please accept this very sincere **** you, on behalf of everyone here at BLF.

Please accept this also from members on other flashlight forums.

Please understand that in the future many people will avoid buying your products from you, or from ANY Niwalker dealer.  I will be contacting those I can find to let them know sadly I can no longer do business with them.

Please recognize that while it is your absolute right as the manufacture to enforce MAP pricing, if MAP policy is not made available, and a price is not actually advertised, a dealer cannot be in violation of it.

Once again, a sincere **** You from the members of Budget Light Forums, Candle Power Forums, and Laser Pointer Forums.

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Niwalker has ensured I will never buy or recommend any of their products that’s for sure.

Yep, I completely agree. Companies like these who actively refuse and interfere with legitimate purchasing like these group buys that actually don’t break their Map policies that are in place and refuse to give the enthusiasts the opportunity to own their products will see their growth in any business suffer. I recently showed a few of my torches off to my boss’-boss who is a huge hunter and outdoors man and has a large group of friends all into the same thing. He was shocked by the torches I had since they mostly own and use stock off the shelf offerings. To bad for companies like Niwalker cause I was looking forward to showing him these offerings and potentially recommending them. But the good news is there is plenty of other companies our money can go to.

I’m also all for a “BLACK LIST” of companies we should not buy from because of this constant screw job over map. So someone please start up a stickied thread and we can get this ball rolling of who you should not be sending your money to!

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I think a few of you are seriously overreacting.

Niwalker have just said that they don’t want to allow group buys from unauthorized dealers/members. There are good reasons for this, some may want to quickly move a few lights at a lower price and pocket the quick cash with no intention of providing after-sales service/handling warranty claims if there are any issues. Niwalker (and other brands) have a responsibility to ensure that customers are supported after the purchase, and so wish to only sell via their authorized distributors.

I am not saying that cellguy/e2fieldgear fall into that bracket, but it may have appeared that way to Niwalker. They may not even be aware that cellguy is already a registered dealer for any brands, so it could be a simple misunderstanding. If so then the situation could be sorted by cellguy explaining to them that he is already a registered dealer for certain brands, and that he intends to become so for Niwalker products, along with providing appropriate after-sales support. Once that is agreed then he should be allowed to conduct a group buy on this forum, as an authorized dealer.

Telling people to f*ck off, instead of actually trying to reasonably resolve a situation that you’re frustrated with, isn’t generally the best way to deal with it.

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Except when the manufacturer in question uses unwritten policies to play favorites.

cellguy/e2fieldgear is an authorized dealer.

MAP policy cannot be violated when a price is not shown.  This is a very common issue, and it is absolutely accepted practice to have special In Cart pricing.

What happened here is very straightforward... some Niwalker dealer complained to Niwalker about this Group Buy.  Niwalker used MAP policy as an excuse to terminate the relationship.

As such I stand by my very sincere sentiments toward both Niwalker, and the other dealer in question.

Cellguy - being a good guy, and a business man, cannot come out and say as much.  I do not have the same restriction in expressing my desires on how I wish for the manufacturer in question to proceed.

Edit: I would perhaps be less inflammatory in my response, but given that Niwalker has A LOT of competitors, what point is there in handling them with kid gloves?

They don't have to sell to us.  We don't have to buy from them.  They have to sell to stay in business, we do not have to buy from them to get flashlights.

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RedForest UK wrote:
I think a few of you are seriously overreacting.

Niwalker have just said that they don’t want to allow group buys from unauthorized dealers/members. There are good reasons for this, some may want to quickly move a few lights at a lower price and pocket the quick cash with no intention of providing after-sales service/handling warranty claims if there are any issues. Niwalker (and other brands) have a responsibility to ensure that customers are supported after the purchase, and so wish to only sell via their authorized distributors.

I am not saying that cellguy/e2fieldgear fall into that bracket, but it may have appeared that way to Niwalker. They may not even be aware that cellguy is already a registered dealer for any brands, so it could be a simple misunderstanding. If so then the situation could be sorted by cellguy explaining to them that he is already a registered dealer for certain brands, and that he intends to become so for Niwalker products, along with providing appropriate after-sales support. Once that is agreed then he should be allowed to conduct a group buy on this forum, as an authorized dealer.

Telling people to f*ck off, instead of actually trying to reasonably resolve a situation that you’re frustrated with, isn’t generally the best way to deal with it.

You raise fair points. This would have been my second order with NiWalker. I have previously provided them with my business profile and they are fully aware I am operating a legitimate ongoing business. This was not a quick cash grab as they hoped to imply.

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You go Gennady! Please provide a link to this new “budget laser forum” you speak of……im intrigued

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OK, well if that’s the case then I think Niwalker need to provide a specific explanation for why e2fieldgear, as an authorized dealer, would not be allowed to conduct a group buy.

The post by AmandaLee (who is a legitimate representative of Niwalker not just a ‘shill’) certainly implies that they were not informed about a potential group buy and didn’t consider it to be organized by an authorized dealer. As that second point is incorrect then they will have to either provide another explanation or accept that they made a mistake and let it proceed.

I have had a few discussions with representatives from Niwalker about current and future products and have found them to be very polite and informative, with better communication than many other companies, so I trust that they will be able to resolve the issue.

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Hmm I wonder how effective a BLF boycott would be…

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your account should be banned from this forum and niwalker customer service put on the main forum “avoid” list

This. Get this crap out of here please. Should make a siggy or something out of this (if they are worth more my time that I typed to get this post)

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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
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Hmm I wonder how effective a BLF boycott would be…

Its not about effectiveness. It’s about what you believe to be right or wrong irrespective of the potential outcome and that you do what you feel is right.

Never ever forget and forgive. Niwal**er new kid on the block trying to act tough.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
Do not support this brand.

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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11324?page=2#comment-254983

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RedForest UK wrote:
OK, well if that’s the case then I think Niwalker need to provide a specific explanation for why e2fieldgear, as an authorized dealer, would not be allowed to conduct a group buy.

The post by AmandaLee (who is a legitimate representative of Niwalker not just a ‘shill’) certainly implies that they were not informed about a potential group buy and didn’t consider it to be organized by an authorized dealer. As that second point is incorrect then they will have to either provide another explanation or accept that they made a mistake and let it proceed.

I have had a few discussions with representatives from Niwalker about current and future products and have found them to be very polite and informative, with better communication than many other companies, so I trust that they will be able to resolve the issue.

My communications with NiWalker were also quite pleasant. I did not inform them of the GB. They previously communicated they only work with stocking dealers and a GB in the typical format of the Manufacturer fulfilling orders would not be possible. The structure of this GB was a simple pre-order sale. I saw no need to seek approval to offer a sale on a new line of lights I would be stocking. This is a common business practice that happens everyday. Niwalker and or its dealers were dissatisfied with the final sale price. I operated this sale within structure that is employed and accepted world wide with a “See Price in Cart” strategy. I requested a written MAP policy and stated I would immediately follow those rules. No policy was provided. I do not feel any ethical guidelines were crossed but I cannot force Niwalker to fulfill a purchase order and decided it was a battle I could not win and ended the sale.

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The list of manufacturers that enforce MAP.

Nitecore
JETBeam
Sunwayman
OLIGHT
Niwalker

Long live:
Convoy
Roche
Blackshadow
SolarStorm 
SkyRay
X-Power 

Ultrafire
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Yes, I would buy an Ultrafire light before I buy a Niwalker now. Which is never.

 

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Supbeam is also awesome. Smile

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You have no responsibility whatsoever to seek approval or inform them of what you intend to do with items you purchase from them...

Your responsibility ends with making a payment to them.  Of course they have the right to refuse any order, but clearly MAP was used here only as an excuse.

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Ramblings wrote:

The list of manufacturers that enforce MAP.

Nitecore
JETBeam
Sunwayman
OLIGHT
Niwalker

Long live:
Convoy
Roche
Blackshadow
SolarStorm 
SkyRay
X-Power 

Ultrafire
FandyFire
SingFire
UranusFire
MarsFire
PostCurryRingOfFire

Yes, I would buy an Ultrafire light before I buy a Niwalker now. Which is never.

Crelant and Fenix also kind of belong on that list.  Lucky for them, they have more niche products.  (Although Solarstorm is taking a great crack and Fenix LOL

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Solarforceflashlight-sales.com is still selling the S2200 at the DISCOUNTED price of $135.99, marked down from $239.99. 2200 lumens that can easily be bumped to 2700+ with 5 simple 1ohm resistors. $2 shipping. As little as 6 day delivery. Any day. All day. No secret decoder ring necessary.

So, to Niwalker, I salute you for making the choice easy! Silly

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Solarforceflashlight-sales.com is still selling the S2200 at the DISCOUNTED price of $135.99, marked down from $239.99. 2200 lumens that can easily be bumped to 2700+ with 5 simple 1ohm resistors. $2 shipping. As little as 6 day delivery. Any day. All day. No secret decoder ring necessary. So, to Niwalker, I salute you for making the choice easy! :P

I'm now kicking myself for not picking one up for $115.

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Yikes. Another company to stay away from I guess.

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What a joke this is,Niwalker really screwed themselves this time.It's a shame because these seem like great lights but I will never know that because they chose to have none rather than some.It makes no sense to me to mess this up and sell these to flashlight enthusiasts who will buy them, good luck selling these to Joe homeowner.Cellguy-thanks for your efforts to get this buy together.

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You know, all these MFYell (you know I mean Manufacturing Companies right?Sealed), companies with their MAP CRAPYell can go directly to Hell, do not pass go and do not give them any money for any reason... Ever.

What a load of... just wait a week or two and the clone will come out and probably be as good as the original.

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Niwalker can stick it where the sun doesn't shine as far as I'm concerned.  Never had one, never want one, never will need one.  Buh-buy.

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you know.

I’d happily take an ultrafire clone over most of these “big brand” lights, their all as bad as each other, and when you get down to it, even these need to be modded to impress, whats the point?

better to just get a cheapish host and just build your own, lets be honest, there are precious few outside these forums that will even look at these lights, sooner these manufacturers realise this, the better.

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gords1001 wrote:
lets be honest, there are precious few outside these forums that will even look at these lights, sooner these manufacturers realise this, the better.

That's the part I don't get.  You would think that reputation, and protecting the brand image, would be everything to these manufacturer companies.

Yet time and again I see them shoot themselves in the foot, and at the same time I have to wonder... is there really that big of a market, where they can just not worry about other competitors that offer very similar products?

How many people outside this BLF/CPF flashlight fanatic world actually buy the lights?... Can it really be so many that you can blatantly alienate a large group of potential buyers and not care about it?

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So, they suck, you say! Well, I never liked them anyway.
I am sure that Supbeam is listening and already planning K40-G2 (with MT-G2) Wink

 

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So, they suck, you say! Well, I never liked them anyway. I am sure that Supbeam is listening and already planning K40-G2 (with MT-G2) ;)

Yup, I hope Alice reads this, and passes the thread along Big Smile

I'm not sure how much future MTG2 lights have in the flashlight world though, in single LED lights.  

I expect a multi xml light is much cheaper to make, and by the numbers, they do beat out any single mtg2 light.  We've yet to see a multi mtg2 light though.

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i prefer customized my light right now,its cheaper and i can chose how much current and tint i want + its educational Silly

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Woody wrote:
This is disappointing. It is the third group buy that I can recall that has fallen through. A simple question to those organising such deals: wouldn’t it make more sense to have the details agreed with the dealer/distributor/manufacturer before making any Group Buy announcements?

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Bad form = dropping f-bombs on a family friendly forum…regardless of how you feel about MAP.

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