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xmint wrote:
Therefore the question is; has Niwalker with the action it has taken in this instance (that) we are discussing here, used MAP to enforce an anti competitive action?

It's abundantly clear MAP was used strictly as an excuse since Cellguy never violated MAP policy.

MAP policy is by it's very nature in reference to the Maximum Advertised Price.  Cellguy never advertised the lights at below Niwalker MAP.

Niwalker simply chose to be exceedingly stupid, and shortsighted in refusing to sell to him.

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Stinky situation becomes even more smelly.
Niwalker somehow managed to create a “Niwalker hater” here, Fenix wasn’t able to achieve that, Nitecore and Crelant didn’t manage to do that either but Niwalker somehow did it, so congratulation Niwalker…
If I was a player in this market I wouldn’t go nowhere near the Niwalker because that could/would seriously damage my reputation.

 

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xmint wrote:
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tatasal wrote:
Hi Wayne,

In all fairness, this debacle has nothing to do with you at all. So please don’t worry about yourself.

If you try to read several threads in this forum, this is all about the effects of MAP to flashlight buyers who just wanted to have a better deal for their money. It has been raging here every now and then, everytime the MAP policy comes into play.

Most of us here are just disappointed because several group buys had been cancelled, some dealers have been punished, all because of MAP policy which to some of us has deprived us of the opportunity to buy lights at a much lower price.

In fact, I was only minutes away from ordering with Cellguy’s GB and have it addressed to you for modding when Cellguy suddenly announced the cancellation. (What held me back was between the choice of LEDs!)

So go on with your whatever arrangement you have with any manufacturer and don’t worry about the discussions here, for it’s never directed towards you.

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I still do not fully understand what is going on behind the scenes with niwalkers dealings with cellguy etc.

frankly i dont care either, because it doesnt really matter or affect me anymore.

I got quite frustrated at niwalker for pulling the plug on this and the way they handled it.

Group buy is back on now through vinh, I can get my light now if i want…

no problems as far as im concerned Smile

Really!! the way Nilwalker have acted and you don’t care? And no problem!! ???

yes, i dont care.

i got upset because they were interfering with perfectly legal/normal practice, preventing me from getting a good light at a good price

i am now getting the light i wanted, at a good price

anything else that happened in between is pretty much inconsequential from my point of view…. other peoples problems – etc.

Dear oh dear, Suggest you think that through to what it actually means for all of us in the future including YOU.

Good luck with the ‘I’M alright jack’ stance……..

it means nothing for any of us here as far as i can tell

vinh has already paid for the lights – niwalker could care less at this point what he does with them

it doesnt matter if i choose to buy one from vinh second hand (modded) or not

one of the other 10 people waiting in the “standby” queue get one if i withdraw – niwalkers already got their money

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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I will never ever buy this piece of sh.. called niwalker. Ever.

Never ever forget and forgive. Niwal**er new kid on the block trying to act tough.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
Do not support this brand.

DINODIRECTSCAM COMPANY. DO NOT BUY
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11324?page=2#comment-254983

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Guys,

Please think before you pass judgement on the innocent. Vinh did nothing wrong. He is just trying to mod a light that may very well be the meanest MT-G2 light on the market and a modded XM-L2 version light that may very well beat his TN31 mod. He’s striving to take us places in the LED world that not many have done as of yet. So think about that and think before you hammer someone wrongfully.

And that’s to those who it applies.

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Being relative new, I’m learning.

That said, my Solarforce K3 is now producing some 3060 lumens on 2 18650 cells through a modified Q-Lite driver. The emitter is getting a calculated 5.79A. 3 very useable modes, with options.

Works for me. ~$80.00

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Guys, Please think before you pass judgement on the innocent. Vinh did nothing wrong. He is just trying to mod a light that may very well be the meanest MT-G2 light on the market and a modded XM-L2 version light that may very well beat his TN31 mod. He's striving to take us places in the LED world that not many have done as of yet. So think about that and think before you hammer someone wrongfully. And that's to those who it applies.

First read THIS

Then read THIS

 

I had also PMed him on CPFMP and he said he did not like that model.

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xed888 wrote:
And some of our most vocal anti-Niwalker members have joined in on the buy! :bigsmile:

I haven't checked that list, but I'm not going to be on it.

The low mode should be lower.

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I just read this thread and I think some of you guys exaggerating things a lot.
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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Guys, Please think before you pass judgement on the innocent. Vinh did nothing wrong. He is just trying to mod a light that may very well be the meanest MT-G2 light on the market and a modded XM-L2 version light that may very well beat his TN31 mod. He’s striving to take us places in the LED world that not many have done as of yet. So think about that and think before you hammer someone wrongfully. And that’s to those who it applies.

First read THIS

Then read THIS

 

I had also PMed him on CPFMP and he said he did not like that model.

Well I think he thought it was going to be like the TN30. That’s what I got out of it. He made a guesstimation and later admitted he was wrong is all.

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Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don’t know of many.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don't know of many.

Since I don't need that type of light, I don't find it relevant.

The low mode should be lower.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don’t know of many.

Since I don’t need that type of light, I don’t find it relevant.

Well there’s a lot of folks that do. And they are happy, happy, happy.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
leaftye wrote:

ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don't know of many.

Since I don't need that type of light, I don't find it relevant.

Well there's a lot of folks that do. And they are happy, happy, happy.

Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

The low mode should be lower.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Pulsar wrote:

ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Guys, Please think before you pass judgement on the innocent. Vinh did nothing wrong. He is just trying to mod a light that may very well be the meanest MT-G2 light on the market and a modded XM-L2 version light that may very well beat his TN31 mod. He's striving to take us places in the LED world that not many have done as of yet. So think about that and think before you hammer someone wrongfully. And that's to those who it applies.

First read THIS

Then read THIS

 

I had also PMed him on CPFMP and he said he did not like that model.

Well I think he thought it was going to be like the TN30. That's what I got out of it. He made a guesstimation and later admitted he was wrong is all.

did not bother to come admit wrong in my group buy thread, instead decided to just do his own... one which profited him over a grand after shipping charges. most likely over $1500 after I did the math

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Well I don’t know all of the details. But I do know he mods one heck of a light.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don’t know of many.

What you just said is very true….and I’m one of Vinh’s fans….but I think you are veering away from the essence of the OP.

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tatasal wrote:
ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:
Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don’t know of many.

What you just said is very true….and I’m one of Vinh’s fans….but I think you are veering away from the essence of the OP.

Could be.

But Vinh ain’t a bad guy is all I’m saying.

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At any rate, this whole debacle is a fairly large cultural / community disconnect on Niwalker’s part.
Or as my adult daughter would say: “Epic PR fail.”

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Sounds like Cellguy and vinhnguyen54 are both collateral caught in the middle of a raw deal, thanks to Niwalker’s (at best) unethical behaviour.
I’ve not interest in supporting a business model like that and sadly, even if they’re the best light ever, period and made to unbelievable specifications by vinhngeuyen54, I can not support them, yet do wish him well in clearing his stock.

Divided, we fall, united, we stand !

I wonder if that actually penetrates the skulls of some and the meaning is actually appreciated, as actions strongly suggest otherwise… Sad

Niwalker have a LOT of explaining to do, first starting by actually fronting this very community and affording us the respect of candid replies to our questions and inquiries.

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We all like money!

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Well borked let me try to explain you,

First we did clearly stated to Cellguy that all dealers must stock our products. He should not start any selling activity on any Niwalker products as he is not being approved by us yet. This kind of selling behavior is not accepted. However since the GB has started already we wanted to fulfill this order as we understand BLF community is very upset right now. We were in a discussion with Cellguy and offered some solutions to him but he just refused everything we told him. But We still wanted to work with him and we told him to remove Niwalker on the thread title but he didn`t do that. As we were not the one don`t want to proceed.

We want to sell lights as many as possible, 15 Vostro lights we sold to Vinh means nothing us. These lights are for your guys. We just can`t stand to work with a dealer that can not communicate so we decided to work with Vinh directly.

Everyone has their point of view I think we have made the best solution for this situation

Hopefully I`ve explained you well.

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AmandaLee5431 wrote:
We wanted to work with him and we told him to remove Niwalker on the thread title but he didn`t do that. As we were not the one don`t want to proceed.

Hopefully I`ve explained you well.

I think you have explained it quite well.

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AmandaLee, did you notice that the number of reads in this thread is more than 4000? I think that is somewhat more than 15. I also think that should mean SOMETHING to you!

I’m fairly new to all this, and especially the “group buy” concept. But it seems to me that things went wrong from both ends of this one. Communication is a 2 way street. I think this street was full of potholes from the beginning.

I wish the best of luck to all parties involved.

I remain very impressed with Solarforce.

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There has been absolutely no pieces of evidence of emails/correspondences/screen shots to back anything that it being said here.

Never ever forget and forgive. Niwal**er new kid on the block trying to act tough.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
Do not support this brand.

DINODIRECTSCAM COMPANY. DO NOT BUY
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11324?page=2#comment-254983

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Post 187 has some evidence to back up what I am saying... Just saying Tongue Out

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whilst I’m bemused by the drama, I shall stick to my own personal policy of no lights from map enforcers, I really don’t need expensive lights, a personal build costing $30 fulfills my needs perfectly.

It would be nice to try a “premium brand” light, just to see the difference, unfortunately, I strongly suspect that I will be disappointed that the minor differences do not justify the vastly over inflated prices compared to a mid range host and some of the drivers now available, the emitter is still likely to be a cree and we have access to extremely high quality copper boards now to deal with the initial thermal junction that previously hindered high output, so the premium brands no longer hold that monopoly.

All they really have to offer is a warranty and dealer network, whilst that is nice, I would still incur the cost of returning the defective light and not having the use of that light till or if it is returned, a self build can be repaired in the time it takes to assemble another, for a much lower cost than the shipping alone, and in my experience, they just don’t crap out that often.

I’m done with premium brand manufacturers till they get down off their pedestal and realise that people are truly only paying for the name on the side, and at the moment, those names are mud, pure and simple.

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Booo, MAP. Niwalker just lost a few more customers. Never heard of them before, I’m sure the association will stick with most who also hadn’t heard of them.

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This thread should be renamed to: “R.I.P. Niwalker” Big Smile

 

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Sirius9 wrote:
This thread should be renamed to: “R.I.P. Niwalker” Big Smile

We’ll see after Tom E is done with my BK-FA01 Wink

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