Match's Mods: The "Woot-Lite" 2D Magclone (part 1)

34 posts / 0 new
Last post

Pages

Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA
Match's Mods: The "Woot-Lite" 2D Magclone (part 1)

Gentlemen,

Today we'll be looking at a very inexpensive 2D LED maglite-esque torch that I'll affectionately be calling the Woot-lite.  This nickname comes from the cheap source for these lights (Woot.Com) and also from the fact that it's real name, i.e. "LED 3-Watt CREE 120Lumen Flashlight" is rather cumbersome. It was originally discussed here, and then again here. While the first link shows the original woot deal, this light can be purchased all day long for ~$10 shipped at the second link.

  *** 4 reasons why this light should be on your radar ***

1.) A full size 2D torch makes a great car/house light...and a much better hammer than that itty-bitty p60 host. 

2.) At $10 shipped, it's a fraction of the cost of a maglite...Same great taste, but less filling!

3.) Outstanding thrower! Decent spill. Good output and great runtime on cheap alk's.

4.) This light is silly-easy to upgrade! 

First a quick overview of the stock torch:

 

Features
Video FeaturesBright 3-Watt Cree LED (Q3)
Video FeaturesHard Anodized Aluminum Case
Video FeaturesUp to 120 Lumens (approximate max)
Video FeaturesRubberized Push On/Off Button
Video FeaturesScrew On/Off End Cap for easy battery changes
Video FeaturesEach unit uses 2 “D” Batteries not included
Tech Specs
Tech SpecsMax output: 120 Lumens
Tech SpecsProduct Dimensions: (each ) 9.5” L x 2” D
Tech SpecsProduct Weight: without batteries – 0.65lbs / with batteries – 1.30lbs
Tech Specs

Body Color: Matte Black

 

Although it bears a slight resemblence to a 2D maglite, it really isn't a clone as none of the main parts are interchangeable. Speaking of parts, let's take a look at the what we have to work with here:

  

Points of interest that you should be aware of:

 

- Pill is thick and huge!  Only ruined by the manufacturer cutting corners and drilling all the way through.

- Pill will accept 20mm star and 18mm driver.

- All the opaque plastic pieces above make up the switch assembly (reverse clicky switch).

- The reflector is plastic, along with the lens which measures in at 40mm.

  Disassembly of the torch was a straight forward affair.  Of the three I got, one of the heads was glued on, which added an extra step and a handful of curse-words to the process. Let's take a closer look at that pill:

 

 

So... where to start with modding this?  This light offers a lot of possibilities, but in the interest of keeping it simple, we'll start off with (hence the part 1) an easy one that's free! Yup, total price is zero, ziltch, nadda...

  Let's take a closer look at that driver, since that's where the magic will happen:

Lacking Foy's macro skills, this is the all I can offer (I have noticed that 3 vodka martinis help make the image look almost normal). Thankfully the picture is clear enough to show what needs to be done. Notice the far right resistor (R5)? That's what we'll be modding:

**The only thing we're going to do is jumper it out.  Easiest way to do that is via a big solder blob on top of it, effectively taking it out of the circuit. **

 And that's it!  This is probably the easiest mod I've done to date. Ah, but is it effective you ask? (Go on...ask it!)  Barring any EOTWAWKI predictions, numbers don't lie....and here's the numbers:

 

 

             Stock    Modified  
Lumens    99.6     149.2
Lux@1m   18,200  26,800
Tailcap A   980ma  2.1a
Emitter A  470ma  800ma

 

Wow!  For a small hit to efficiency we get nearly a 50% increase across the board on lumen and lux output! Considering it's running off of 2D batteries, runtime still won't be an issue. Guys, for a cheap boost driver this is huge.  It also maintained those numbers off of 2xAA's as well.  

  Remember, these numbers are still on the stock Q3 emitter, so a simple swap here to an R2 or XP-G would see even greater gains.  For part 2 I have something slightly different in mind though, and here's a couple of teaser pics of the mod I'll be making to the pill:

  

Summary for Part 1.

 

 Even in stock form, this is a good solid light at a cheap price.  Adding 5min worth of soldering time, and it gets even better.  Beyond that, there are a lot of future options to explore... As soon as a few little yellow envelopes show up, I'll finish up part 2 below. I'lll also try and get some beamshots up later on this evening. Thanks for reading.

-Match

Edited by: sb56637 on 08/26/2014 - 17:29
Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA

Reserved for Part 2

arenat
Offline
Last seen: 1 year 4 months ago
Joined: 11/22/2010 - 01:00
Posts: 367
Location: Argentina

Very nice as usual, just watch out with the XP-G or XP-E and that driver two cells. With the DX's boost modded as you did, not even as drastic because only added one 220 miliOhm in parallel totalling around 80 ... first XP-G got shorted , the XP-E just was open.

After a lot of curse did what should be did at first, puting a 3.3 Ohm as a load the measure was 3.9 V , 1,2 A  ,not much current but obviously the  V forward was to much...Cree say 3.75 V max

JohnnyMac
JohnnyMac's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 months 3 weeks ago
Joined: 04/12/2011 - 16:03
Posts: 8863
Location: Eastern PA

Hey, Match, what is the outside diameter of that reflector?

Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA

JohnnyMac wrote:

Hey, Match, what is the outside diameter of that reflector?

~40mm, same as the lens.  I found that DX sells a glass lens this size, of which I have 10 on order (I have never cared for plastic lens's).

rzezniq
Offline
Last seen: 8 years 1 month ago
Joined: 07/02/2010 - 06:59
Posts: 81
Location: Poland

I smell 3A+ xml :).

Piers
Offline
Last seen: 1 year 7 months ago
Joined: 01/18/2011 - 20:31
Posts: 896
Location: Bolton, UK

There you go again with that shiny copper porn Silly

Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA

Piers wrote:

There you go again with that shiny copper porn Silly

Hehe...yup.  I love the look of copper, and wish it was used more.  Unfortunately this copper slug will be hidden in the light.  Glad it's not just me who likes it Smile

Boaz
Boaz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 7 hours ago
Joined: 11/07/2010 - 09:31
Posts: 7444
Location: Birthplace of Aviation

This a mod even I can do ...Tongue out

EDIT: this is a mod I DID do ... A little piece of wire ,a little solder .. piece of cake ..

What's next ..

i'm hunting a piece of copper to fill the hole

       καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν

                            

       Dc-fix diffuser film  >…  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42208

agenthex
agenthex's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 years 3 weeks ago
Joined: 07/14/2010 - 04:49
Posts: 3070
Location: Merica

I got one of these and it's just as bright on a couple LSD AA's as an MRV on high. Very similar reflector frontal area. Tint is pretty white and high temp.

Really good deal if you want a thrower that runs off low voltage batteries.

Reading this makes you smarter: http://lesswrong.com/

Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA

Yep. One of the big reasons I got these.   They'll make excellent gifts to folks who'd rather not mess with li-ion or nimh.

 

Congrats on the successful mod, Boaz!

sb56637
sb56637's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 14 hours ago
Joined: 01/08/2010 - 09:29
Posts: 6882
Location: The Light

Looking good Match! Simple and innovative as usual. Great job with these novel ideas for mods! Frontpage'd and Sticky'd.

Budget Light Forum ...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

Boaz
Boaz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 7 hours ago
Joined: 11/07/2010 - 09:31
Posts: 7444
Location: Birthplace of Aviation

the trick is always  tinning and lots o flux ..  and having friends who work on electronics for a living (back up)

This light weighs almost a pound and a quarter  600 grams  . 4 times heavier than a

solarforce ,18650 and a drop in > 150 grams ..

I'm always  amazed how much D cells weigh.

       καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν

                            

       Dc-fix diffuser film  >…  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42208

jamjar
Offline
Last seen: 2 months 3 days ago
Joined: 06/04/2011 - 03:20
Posts: 125
Location: Australia

http://deals.woot.com/sellout

3 for $20 deliveried that is to the guys in the US - not so luck for us Aussies Sad

wec777
wec777's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 4 months ago
Joined: 06/03/2011 - 07:18
Posts: 19

Match wrote:

~40mm, same as the lens.  I found that DX sells a glass lens this size, of which I have 10 on order (I have never cared for plastic lens's).

Yeah, and now they're sold out. Gosh, I wonder how that happened? Wink That's alright - I'm a patient guy - I can wait. Cool

okyeung
okyeung's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 11 months ago
Joined: 05/03/2011 - 00:03
Posts: 377
Location: northern california

Hi Match, how is your woot's light part 2 coming along.  We are all waiting for some copper porn.   Laughing  Thanks in advance.

3

achilles
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 3 months ago
Joined: 07/26/2011 - 00:53
Posts: 5
Location: New York

the apperance is not good

JohnnyMac
JohnnyMac's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 months 3 weeks ago
Joined: 04/12/2011 - 16:03
Posts: 8863
Location: Eastern PA

I'm wondering if a C8 reflector will fit into this baby.

CheapThrills
CheapThrills's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 week 6 days ago
Joined: 07/02/2011 - 10:45
Posts: 3645
Location: Suomi

Oh bugger... I have totally missed the deal on these!

Would have been very, very nice to be left in a car as backup...

Match
Match's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 7 months ago
Joined: 11/14/2010 - 11:57
Posts: 1488
Location: South Carolina, USA

Part 2 has been done for awhile now, but I've been (and still am) on vacation so it'll have to wait till I get back. I'd be too tedious to post from my cell phone Smile

okyeung
okyeung's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 11 months ago
Joined: 05/03/2011 - 00:03
Posts: 377
Location: northern california

Thanks Match.  Have a nice vacation.Smile

3

Essexman
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 19 hours ago
Joined: 01/30/2011 - 18:18
Posts: 701
Location: UK

Looking forward to part 2. I love these types of mods!

lburgguy
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 hours ago
Joined: 11/30/2011 - 10:19
Posts: 5

I LOVE these flashlights as I ordered 3 from the last time Woot.com had them for sale.  They are no longer on Buy.com, does anyone have any idea where I could get similar lights?  Thanks in advance!

 

lburgguy
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 hours ago
Joined: 11/30/2011 - 10:19
Posts: 5

I dropped one of these lights, pretty hard on concrete and it no longer lights.  Any ideas on what to look for?  I looked at the circuit board as best I could and found nothing that looked cracked.  Thanks!

shhh
shhh's picture
Offline
Last seen: 20 hours 17 min ago
Joined: 09/10/2011 - 07:53
Posts: 213
Location: Winnsboro,Texas

lburgguy wrote:

I dropped one of these lights, pretty hard on concrete and it no longer lights.  Any ideas on what to look for?  I looked at the circuit board as best I could and found nothing that looked cracked.  Thanks!

 

Instead of looking with your eyes look with a mutimeter. That way you see whats up

lburgguy
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 hours ago
Joined: 11/30/2011 - 10:19
Posts: 5

I guess what I meant to say is this:  I've scoured over the circuit board and found no cracks, is there a trouble area with cree lights as I am new to them.  Also, is an impact a known killer of cree LEDs?  Like I said, I am new to them.  Yes, a multimeter is a great idea and I will do that come to think of it.

lburgguy
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 hours ago
Joined: 11/30/2011 - 10:19
Posts: 5

Thanks to this thread, I fixed my light.  I found that the impact had cracked the solder connection of the capacitor.  I did the modification and honestly I'm not seeing an improvement but it could be battery related.  Thanks again!

lburgguy
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 hours ago
Joined: 11/30/2011 - 10:19
Posts: 5

Could someone verify I did the mod correctly.  I thought I had to jumper out the R5.  When I went to do this R5 came off the circuit board all together.  I soldered a piece of wire in where R5 used to be.  Now that I look at the photo again, I'm seeing something different.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

rob799
Offline
Last seen: 1 year 3 weeks ago
Joined: 06/27/2012 - 14:28
Posts: 38
Location: Michigan

I tried to mod my “Woot-Lite” and now it doesn’t work. Anyone have a better picture of this mod? Also, can anyone recommend a replacement driver and emitter for this flashlight? I also searched for part 2 of Match’s mod, but can’t find it. Thanks!

gords1001
gords1001's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 years 5 months ago
Joined: 05/07/2012 - 14:02
Posts: 5276
Location: wigan england

At the top it says the pill takes a 20mm star and 18mm driver, so that’s pretty much any led option (reflector opening allowing) and an 18mm driver (possibly 19mm sanded to fit?).

An example would be an xp-g 20mm star and a 1500ma (1.5a) capable of using two nicad cells (1.2v – 3v). Hope this helps.

raccoon city
raccoon city's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 33 min ago
Joined: 10/06/2010 - 02:35
Posts: 14871
Location: रॅकून सिटी Palm Desert CA USA

Welcome to the site, rob799!

Best0270

Pages