*New* Eagletac MX25L3C 6 x XP-G2 or 6 x 219 emitters. Up to 2450 ANSI lumens!

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*New* Eagletac MX25L3C 6 x XP-G2 or 6 x 219 emitters. Up to 2450 ANSI lumens!

http://www.eagletac.com/html/mx25l3c/index.html

Tech specs: http://www.eagletac.com/html/mx25l3c/specs.html

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ANSI lumen 6 x XP-G2 S2 (CRI-70): 24501-2065/1010/180/23 6 x Nichia 219 B11 (CRI-92): 18101-1545/760/145/19

MSRP $178

This definitely has me interested…

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92CRI in B11 bin is very impressive.
Website says they’re 4500K as well.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the MTG2's also have a pretty high CRI?  I remember reading 80 somewhere a while back.

The SX25L3 would be a superior option then.  Same size body, smaller head, and probably about even in terms of throw.

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I’m more interested, personally, in the Nichia 219 version. I’d happily sacrifice the lumens of the XP-G2 model for the CRI and color temp of the 219’s. I am probably going to buy the 219 model. I have to see if I can find it for cheaper than the MSRP.

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Not yet showing on the distributors dealer or retail site…

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Very nice to see the 219 in a big light for a change Smile

(B11 bin is great, but I wonder if new interesting Nichia's will be released soon)

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Perhaps we can get a group buy going? Big Smile

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Perhaps we can get a group buy going? Big Smile

ET is fanatical about MAP so a traditional GB would probably go up in flames immediately. I am happy to take reservations. Since dealer pricing is not out, I cannot quote a promo yet but interested parties can PM me their email address and I will put something together for BLF once I can lock down availability.

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6 XP-G2 S2’s, 2450 OTF ANSI Lumens, and 42,000k throw in a small package. OH BOY !!!
I would love to give this one to Vinh to de-dome and crank the current.
Depending on price of course. Wink

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did anyone say Eagletac?

 

on BLF??

 

WTH?!?!

 

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I would be interested if price comes down a bit.

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I love the 6x Nichia 219 version. Its really cool/unique and makes a lot of sense to me.

Perhaps someone can clue me in why would they make a 6 x XP-G2 version? I don’t get it, wouldn’t 3x XM-L2 with slightly bigger/deeper reflectors have more lumens AND either equal or more total throw?

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These lights look pretty awesome. Im a bit jealous on the BINs they are using. Too bad about the price though, and probably the lack of copper mcpcb, and the lack of tint mixing and the CW emitters (in the non-Nichia version) Otherwise, they are pretty good..

 


 

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Perhaps someone can clue me in why would they make a 6 x XP-G2 version? I don't get it, wouldn't 3x XM-L2 with slightly bigger/deeper reflectors have more lumens AND either equal or more total throw?

-If you wanted more throw with 3 XM-Ls you would have to go with bigger and deeper reflectors. Deeper, making the light larger, and usually heavier.

-Based on my experience, beam quality and profile will be better with 6x XP-G2s. Smoother edge, maybe more spill light, but at the same time slightly more throw despite the compact packaging. XM-Ls often have a tendency to put an excessive amount light around 1 meter in front of you..

-XM-L2 produces just slightly more lumens at 3A than 2x XP-G2 (in S2 bin) at 1,5A. But run 2x XP-G2s at say 600mA, and they are more efficient than 1x XM-L2 at 1200mA. If users use these lights more on say medium, than they will get better efficiency compared to 3x XM-L2s.

-They could use the same design for a Nichia model (3x Nichia would not be that impressive in such a "large" light).

Using 6x XP-Gs instead of 3 XM-Ls makes perfect sense to me.. This is something that is lacking in the market of pre-built lights. 


 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the MTG2's also have a pretty high CRI?  I remember reading 80 somewhere a while back.

Like most emitters, you get get uptowards 92 CRI if you go WW, not that necessarily gives you great real life color rendering depending on the temperature... CRI is not really a number that you should think have equal color rendering through all temperatures just because its measured to say, 92 CRI. I have the impression that many people believe that because similar number normally means equally good, which is not the case.. (92 CRI 5000K light would have WAYY better real life color rendering than say 2700K 100 CRI cri light)

With MT-G2s you can actually get 80 CRI Minium in 5000K. But that requires lower than top bin. intl-outdoor and Eagletac uses top bin, P0.

MT-G2 top bin is "Standard CRI Easywhite". Its 70 CRI minium (usually around 73 CRI) based on what I see from the BIN codes. So the CRI in the typical MT-G2 light is nothing special and nothing to brag about.

If you want 80 CRI minium you have to sacrifice two steps when it comes to BIN

The typical top bin MT-G2  just looks very good for a 70-CRI minium emitter because of the "pure white light". Who does not like white looking light without any distinct colors or "rainbow effect"? (no need to answer that)

The MT-G2s CRI is extremly hyped! Many people seem to wrongly throw out the word "high-cri" for anything in the 70-80 CRI minium range these days too. People then learn from those, and say the same things.

More "pure white light looking light" can be made by mixing emitters, and you can also mix in de-domed emitters.

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I don’t get it…so 3500 LED lumens = 2450 ANSI lumens with the XP-G2?

How does the TM26 do 3500 lumens with less and older emitters? (XML U2’s) Or is 3500 lumen LED lumen? Not OTF ANSI?

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InfinitusEquitas wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the MTG2's also have a pretty high CRI?  I remember reading 80 somewhere a while back.

Like most emitters, you get get uptowards 92 CRI if you go WW, not that necessarily gives you great real life color rendering depending on the temperature... CRI is not really a number that you should think have equal color rendering through all temperatures just because its measured to say, 92 CRI. I have the impression that many people believe that because similar number normally means equally good, which is not the case.. (92 CRI 5000K light would have WAYY better real life color rendering than say 2700K 100 CRI cri light)

With MT-G2s you can actually get 80 CRI Minium in 5000K. But that requires lower than top bin. intl-outdoor and Eagletac uses top bin, P0.

MT-G2 top bin is "Standard CRI Easywhite". Its 70 CRI minium (usually around 73 CRI) based on what I see from the BIN codes. So the CRI in the typical MT-G2 light is nothing special and nothing to brag about.

If you want 80 CRI minium you have to sacrifice two steps when it comes to BIN

The typical top bin MT-G2  just looks very good for a 70-CRI minium emitter because of the "pure white light". Who does not like white looking light without any distinct colors or "rainbow effect"? (no need to answer that)

The MT-G2s CRI is extremly hyped! Many people seem to wrongly throw out the word "high-cri" for anything in the 70-80 CRI minium range these days too. People then learn from those, and say the same things.

More "pure white light looking light" can be made by mixing emitters, and you can also mix in de-domed emitters.

Very interesting, and thank you for explanation.  In terms of temperature, I know my preference is for 4500-5000.

I have to say though, that to my eyes, the MTG2's I've seen so far, are equal to, or better than the nichia 219.  A part of that may be the fact that the MTG2 was just that much brighter, so it may not have been an entirely fair comparison.

I am surprised that they are only 70 CRI though.  Still, at that, they are still way better than any of the XML emitters.

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InfinitusEquitas wrote:

RaceR86 wrote:
InfinitusEquitas wrote:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the MTG2’s also have a pretty high CRI?  I remember reading 80 somewhere a while back.

Like most emitters, you get get uptowards 92 CRI if you go WW, not that necessarily gives you great real life color rendering depending on the temperature… CRI is not really a number that you should think have equal color rendering through all temperatures just because its measured to say, 92 CRI. I have the impression that many people believe that because similar number normally means equally good, which is not the case.. (92 CRI 5000K light would have WAYY better real life color rendering than say 2700K 100 CRI cri light)

With MT-G2s you can actually get 80 CRI Minium in 5000K. But that requires lower than top bin. intl-outdoor and Eagletac uses top bin, P0.

MT-G2 top bin is “Standard CRI Easywhite”. Its 70 CRI minium (usually around 73 CRIbased on what I see from the BIN codes. So the CRI in the typical MT-G2 light is nothing special and nothing to brag about.

If you want 80 CRI minium you have to sacrifice two steps when it comes to BIN

The typical top bin MT-G2  just looks very good for a 70-CRI minium emitter because of the “pure white light”. Who does not like white looking light without any distinct colors or “rainbow effect”? (no need to answer that)

The MT-G2s CRI is extremly hyped! Many people seem to wrongly throw out the word “high-cri” for anything in the 70-80 CRI minium range these days too. People then learn from those, and say the same things.

More “pure white light looking light” can be made by mixing emitters, and you can also mix in de-domed emitters.

Very interesting, and thank you for explanation.  In terms of temperature, I know my preference is for 4500-5000.

I have to say though, that to my eyes, the MTG2’s I’ve seen so far, are equal to, or better than the nichia 219.  A part of that may be the fact that the MTG2 was just that much brighter, so it may not have been an entirely fair comparison.

I am surprised that they are only 70 CRI though.  Still, at that, they are still way better than any of the XML emitters.

It will be interesting to see how drivers evolve to support this LED. Limited for now since it requires multiple batteries. Single battery lights with the MTG2 would be very desirable – at least to me.

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It will be interesting to see how drivers evolve to support this LED. Limited for now since it requires multiple batteries. Single battery lights with the MTG2 would be very desirable - at least to me.

To me as well.

I would love to have a single MTG2 mule with good mode spacing, or dare I dream, variable brightness.  It's the perfect LED for flood light IMO.

Dedomed, they are great for throw too... not like the XML's but I was surprised how well the modded niwalker does in terms of throw, and the dedomed MTG2 EA8 is not that far behind the stock ea8 in terms of throw either, but at more than double the lumens.

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did anyone say Eagletac?

 

on BLF??

 

WTH?!?!

 

Wink


You’re winning us over!

So far I haven’t seen anyone mention this: http://www.eagletac.com/html/mx25l3/specs.html

Incredibly similar to the SX25L3, throws better, with MT-G2 and XML2 options… .9 inches longer than the L3C. ET is off da hook!!

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InfinitusEquitas wrote:

I have to say though, that to my eyes, the MTG2's I've seen so far, are equal to, or better than the nichia 219.  A part of that may be the fact that the MTG2 was just that much brighter, so it may not have been an entirely fair comparison.

I am surprised that they are only 70 CRI though.  Still, at that, they are still way better than any of the XML emitters.

Compare similar brightness... I have kinda seen the same effect where I preferred the brighter light over a Nichia 219..

I was really surprised how well 3x XP-G2 (with mixed emitters for a white beam) rendered colors despite that neither of the emitters were more than 70 CRI. And my average light have 80 CRI or better. I have done the same with XM-Ls...

It just shows how much a nice tint can mean..

 

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It will be interesting to see how drivers evolve to support this LED. Limited for now since it requires multiple batteries. Single battery lights with the MTG2 would be very desirable - at least to me.

I don't think there will be that much evolution. And I don't think the marked is large enough for it. I would not mind to be proven wrong though, because it would benefit the flashlight market as a whole.

What an MT-G2 can do, several XM-L2s/Nichias/XP-G2s can in most cases do better in a more compact package if its made correctly. Most seem to want more throw out of the MT-G2. Which is one of the things several smaller emitters will easier do better.

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tallboybass wrote:
kreisler wrote:

did anyone say Eagletac?

 

on BLF??

 

WTH?!?!

 

Wink

You're winning us over! So far I haven't seen anyone mention this: http://www.eagletac.com/html/mx25l3/specs.html Incredibly similar to the SX25L3, throws better, with MT-G2 and XML2 options... .9 inches longer than the L3C. ET is off da hook!!

 

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/25555

 

The low mode should be lower.

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Thanks Leaftye, hadn’t seen that.

They’re making so many lights that are so similar! They’re all cool but it’s hard to imagine them selling lots of all these models.

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RaceR86 wrote:

InfinitusEquitas wrote:

I have to say though, that to my eyes, the MTG2’s I’ve seen so far, are equal to, or better than the nichia 219.  A part of that may be the fact that the MTG2 was just that much brighter, so it may not have been an entirely fair comparison.

I am surprised that they are only 70 CRI though.  Still, at that, they are still way better than any of the XML emitters.

Compare similar brightness… I have kinda seen the same effect where I preferred the brighter light over a Nichia 219..

I was really surprised how well 3x XP-G2 (with mixed emitters for a white beam) rendered colors despite that neither of the emitters were more than 70 CRI. And my average light have 80 CRI or better. I have done the same with XM-Ls…

It just shows how much a nice tint can mean..

 

cellguy wrote:

It will be interesting to see how drivers evolve to support this LED. Limited for now since it requires multiple batteries. Single battery lights with the MTG2 would be very desirable – at least to me.

I don’t think there will be that much evolution. And I don’t think the marked is large enough for it. I would not mind to be proven wrong though, because it would benefit the flashlight market as a whole.

What an MT-G2 can do, several XM-L2s/Nichias/XP-G2s can in most cases do better in a more compact package if its made correctly. Most seem to want more throw out of the MT-G2. Which is one of the things several smaller emitters will easier do better.

Good points, but darn there is just some sexy about the MTG2 so I would love to see what its true potential might be.

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Any guesses on whether these will have nice ruler flat output curves?

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Too bad about the price though, and probably the lack of copper mcpcb

The page says: “LED direct soldering on copper for maximum heatsink ability”
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Don’t mean to hijak the thread but just noticed the print on these say “Eagtac”. Looked strange so I did some searching and found that some Eagletac models have the full word and some don’t. I dont have any Eagletac’s, so I have never noticed it before.
These are some nice looking lights. I will definately consider one when the price is a bit lower.

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billoz wrote:
Don't mean to hijak the thread but just noticed the print on these say "Eagtac". Looked strange so I did some searching and found that some Eagletac models have the full word and some don't. I dont have any Eagletac's, so I have never noticed it before. These are some nice looking lights. I will definately consider one when the price is a bit lower.

Lol, you're right.  I'm the proud owner of two EAGTCACS.