Review of USB battery box 6x18650 Qidian

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Review of USB battery box 6x18650 Qidian
USB battery box 6x18650 Qidian

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I got this box from fasttech.

Official specifications
  • Color: Black
  • Material: ABS
  • Battery Form Factor: 18650
  • Required Battery Count: 6
  • Brand: QIDIAN
  • Dimensions: Depth 24.8 mm, Height 183 mm, Width 92 mm
    Product Weight 163 g
  • Power pack input: DC 5V, 2A
  • Power pack output: DC 5V / 2A (USB 1), DC 5V / 1A (USB 2), DC 3.7V / 4A (OUT M), DC 5V / 2A (OUT M), DC 9V / 1.5A (OUT M), DC 12V / 1A (OUT M)


How does it look

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I got the box in a retail package, labeled in Chinese (I suppose).

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Because it is for 6 batteries, the box is fairly long.

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The box has 3 output, two USB and on DC connector output with selectable voltage (5V/9V/12V).
The input is a also a DC connector.
The DC output connector is outer ø4 mm and inner ø1.6 mm, 11mm long.

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The leds has a couple of functions: they show selected output voltage and battery charge state.

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The switch is not a on/off switch as labeled, but a auto/manual power off switch.
In the off position the box must be manually turned off, in the on position it will turn off when load is removed.

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It is a bit difficult to load the box with 6 batteries, due to the pressure from the 6 springs, the minus rail has a tendency to slide up.
Due to this it is best to use unprotected flat top batteries.

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Removing two screws and it is possible to remove the electronic. There are two push button on the electronic board, not only the one on the outside of the box. There is also a reset switch, that is used to reconnected the batteries when they are replaced (A charger will also do that).

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Measurements
  • DC connector does never turn off it will output at bit less than the battery voltage when box is off.
  • When 5 volt output is selected, both usb and DC connector supply 5 volt.
  • When 9 or 12 volt is selected the usb output is off.
  • A single press on the button will turn the box on.
  • Hold the button to step from 5 to 9 to 12 volt, then to off, the only works when nothing is connected to the output (Button has to be released between steps). The actual voltage is shown on the blue leds.
  • On/off switch on side of box is an auto off button when placed in on position.
  • The auto off will disconnect loads at 136mA after 14 seconds.
  • When batteries has been replace, use the internal reset switch or charge the box to activate it.
  • When off the current consumptions is 55uA (This is insignificant).
  • With battery disconnected the current consumption is about 20uA.
  • When on without any load the current consumption is 17mA (About 45 days with 6 3100 mAh batteries).
  • It is very difficult to load a full set of batteries, the rails often pops up.
  • One output (USB1) is coded as Apple 2A
  • One output (USB2) is coded as USB DCP
  • A short press on the button when output is on will display a battery gauge on the 5 blue leds (I could not measure the voltage steps).
  • When output is on, one of the blue leds is on.


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The 5 volt output is rated for 2A, but does not turn off, even at 4A. At 2A and below the output voltage is within specifications.

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The 9V output is rated at 1.5A and does easily deliver that.

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12V output is only rated for 1A, but again it can deliver considerable more.

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The sweep looked nice, what about constant load? Here I have tested at 2A and it hold the 5 volt output voltage for nearly 6 hours.
It also has a good efficiency for a 2A output.

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With 9 volt and 1.5A the DC output can hold 9 volt for more than 3½ hours, but it does not turn off when the batteries are low!
At 220 minutes the output voltage drops down to 3 volt and it continues to supply power at 3 volt and 0.5A, until the battery voltage is down to about 2.5 volt, where the battery is disconnected.
The current draw might look huge at 5A, but with 6 batteries it is a light load for the batteries.
Because the voltage drops down to 2.5 volt, it is best to use Panasonic 2900/3100/3400 mAh batteries, that are rated for discharge down to 2.5 volt.

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With 12 volt and 1A the time is around 4 hours. Again it does not turn on when the batteries are low.

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With a single battery the efficiency is above 90% and it turns off the usb output at 3 volt.

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3400mAh gives a bit extra runtime.

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2600mAh gives a bit less runtime.

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The output noise is very low on this box, even at 2A (27mV).

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At 0.5A it is even lower (9mV).

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9 volt does have more noise, but it is still very good (81mV).

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12 volt is nearly the same as 9 volt (74mV).

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When testing charging I am using a big power supply with enough current, but the box would not charge with the rated 2A current.
It took 12.5h to charge all 6 batteries.

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But it can charge faster, if I uses a cheaper power supply. To simulate that, I added 0.1 ohm in series with the charge input and as can be seen it now chargers at 2A, most of the time. The charger time is reduced to 10½ hour.



Conclusion

This box has a very good converter, that can deliver a lot of current with little noise. I am not that impressed with the constant power on the DC output, I would have prefered it turned off like the USB output.
The on/off (auto/manual) switch is a good idea, but the marking is useless.
If you need this amount of energy or the higher voltage, the box is good, but for most usage I will prefer a smaller box.



Notes

Read more about how I test USB power supplies and chargers

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Edited by: sb56637 on 06/25/2015 - 11:50
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Nice, output noise looks really good.
I might go for the 5 cell version that only have USB output.

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Could this be a battery backup/replacement for some laptops?

I know some laptops need ah igher Voltage, but not all of them, and there is a wide range of Amp draw per laptop as well.

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ChibiM wrote:
Could this be a battery backup/replacement for some laptops?

I know some laptops need ah igher Voltage, but not all of them, and there is a wide range of Amp draw per laptop as well.

The current is probably to low.

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A problem I have is with one of the Blue LED.

After weeks of usage, the right most Blue led which indicate 5V eventually failed.

Steps taken :-
1. reflowed the led
2. replaced with good one.

It also have weeks to days of usage, then start to flicker, slowly dying LED.

Could you test your unit or how can I do to solve it ?

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iron potato wrote:
A problem I have is with one of the Blue LED. After weeks of usage, the right most Blue led which indicate 5V eventually failed. Steps taken :- 1. reflowed the led 2. replaced with good one. It also have weeks to days of usage, then start to flicker, slowly dying LED. Could you test your unit or how can I do to solve it ?

There is no reason for that led to die, except if there is a problem with the resistor:

I.e. is the resistor shorted or the wrong value?

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As same as the photo non-shorted 100ohms

Double checked the connection joint also out of clue why it die Tired

EDIT:
Last attempt, hot-air flow out the resistor & blue led.

Both trace properly wicked clean, fresh Kester solder apply thinly, dab some flux & reflowed back.

Tried for a week, so far so good now, I think the old solder causing problem Smile

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Interesting battery bank, thanks for the review!

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what do the buttons do, that are on the electronic board ?

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View from top, the left one is Activation button, while the right is On switch & output voltage selection.

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hi
if i put Panasonic batteries in this power bank
3400*6 = 20400

how mah should i take out of it
and how do i do the calculation normally

thanks

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tarteb wrote:
hi if i put Panasonic batteries in this power bank 3400*6 = 20400 how mah should i take out of it and how do i do the calculation normally thanks

If you look at my curves, you will find one for 3400mAh batteries.

It shows that one battery with 10 ohm (0.5A) load will last for 250 minutes, that is 2Ah.

With 6 batteries you will get 6 times as much, i.e. 12Ah.

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i am sorry i didn’t get that
my question if i charged my power bank in full ( 20400 Mah )
how many mah i get out from the power bank
for me to calculate how many times to charge my iPad or my mobile

sorry but i am newbie
thanks

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tarteb wrote:
i am sorry i didn't get that my question if i charged my power bank in full ( 20400 Mah ) how many mah i get out from the power bank for me to calculate how many times to charge my iPad or my mobile sorry but i am newbie thanks

12Ah is 12000mAh

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HKJ wrote:

tarteb wrote:
i am sorry i didn’t get that my question if i charged my power bank in full ( 20400 Mah ) how many mah i get out from the power bank for me to calculate how many times to charge my iPad or my mobile sorry but i am newbie thanks

12Ah is 12000mAh

thanks
i cant understand this
i have Qidian 5 batteries box i put in it my broken Chinese power bank batteries
it written on them 2200
so i put four of this batteries ( 8800 ) in the box
i made calculation i found that i am getting 6050 mah
so its 68.7%
how come i get 58.8% out of this panasonic and they are a lot better

thanks

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The total capacity of your 8800mAh is in 4.2V, when it passed the circuitry to boost to USB 5V, there’re sure some losses there.

Hence, you will not get the full 8800mA from it. (a very rough estimation from 8800 in 4.2V is about 5535mA in 5V)

Read those Panasonic Li-Ion datasheet, to get the full capacity, it need to discharge down as much as 2.5V to get the full capacity,

normal powerbank circuitry cut-off at about 3V, so there’re also some minor capacity which cannot be use.

Hope these helps explain your confusion Smile

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tarteb wrote:
HKJ wrote:

tarteb wrote:
i am sorry i didn't get that my question if i charged my power bank in full ( 20400 Mah ) how many mah i get out from the power bank for me to calculate how many times to charge my iPad or my mobile sorry but i am newbie thanks

12Ah is 12000mAh

thanks i cant understand this i have Qidian 5 batteries box i put in it my broken Chinese power bank batteries it written on them 2200 so i put four of this batteries ( 8800 ) in the box i made calculation i found that i am getting 6050 mah so its 68.7% how come i get 58.8% out of this panasonic and they are a lot better thanks

Maybe your calculations are not that precise.

There are two loses in mAh when using a battery box, first is due to the voltage difference and it cannot be changed, the other is due to the converter doing the conversion of the voltage. In this box here the conversion efficiency is about 90%.

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HKJ,

With this battery box, can the batteries be left in the box as storage? Is there any discharge, if so, what rate?

Thank You!

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dlong wrote:
HKJ, With this battery box, can the batteries be left in the box as storage? Is there any discharge, if so, what rate? Thank You! -d

 

Check the list of points just after the "Measurement" heading.

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Thanks! I was skimming and was looking for the terms like ‘storage’ and ‘drain’ and didn’t see it. So this box looks good to be able to leave the batteries in there for 6-months (emergency batteries?)

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dlong wrote:
Thanks! I was skimming and was looking for the terms like 'storage' and 'drain' and didn't see it. So this box looks good to be able to leave the batteries in there for 6-months (emergency batteries?) -d

6 months will drain about 0.055*24*31*6 -> 245mAh

Even with only one battery in it, it would not be a problem.

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Well after about 8 months of light to no use, my power bank has developed a charging problem. USB output still functions normally, but it only charges the internal batteries to 3.85V, then the 80% LED stops flashing. Charging intitally stopped at the 60% mark and I had to reconnect the charging cable several times before it attempted to charge more, but this doesn’t work once the batteries reach 3.85V. It seems to do this regardless of whether there’s 1 or 6 cells loaded. These are new laptop pack pull LG 2200 mAh cells which have only been used in this power bank. The cells are charging / testing without any issue in my Opus, so they don’t seem to be the issue. I may have to poke around to see if there’s an obvious failed SMD resistor or some other component like the poster with the LED failure.

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Nice thanks!!

Looks like they have a 5X version that can charge thru a micro USB connector as well

http://www.fasttech.com/product/1457403

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I have their 4-cell box, which has a digital display including percentage of charge: http://img.fasttechcdn.com/134/1341600/1341600-13.jpg

I’m wondering how reliable that is — thinking about using it to discharge cells down to 40 percent for storage purposes.

I’ll be trying it, but curious if anyone has done that and checked results (or has another recommended way to take batches of cells down to 40 percent for storage time)

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hank wrote:
I have their 4-cell box, which has a digital display including percentage of charge: http://img.fasttechcdn.com/134/1341600/1341600-13.jpg

I’m wondering how reliable that is — thinking about using it to discharge cells down to 40 percent for storage purposes.

I’ll be trying it, but curious if anyone has done that and checked results (or has another recommended way to take batches of cells down to 40 percent for storage time)

I use my hobby charger to discharge my batteries down to a storage charge. It seems to me that one could hook up a number in parallel and then discharge them all down to 3.7v – 3.8v. I parallel charge cells up to 4.2v so it seems to me that discharging them in parallel should work just as well.
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Does it delivers 4amps on the USB-Outputs or on the DC connector only?
Has anyone checked how long it could provide such currents?

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Can it be used as UPS ?

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There is a new version but with led display that fails to be usedas ups. I think that it is a common problem with all from the same style/manufacturer

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