18 of T6 LED's, 5 big cell light is here

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18 of T6 LED's, 5 big cell light is here

Anyone else see this yet?

lightmalls.com oem-18t6-led-flashlight

Takes up to 5 26650's or 5 32650's with a side switch. May put a Shocker to shame in the weight/size category... At least they are thinking about getting enough power to feed this farm of LED's.

 

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$200.  I'm sure the driver is a disappointment.  Maybe it's the size of the thing throwing off my perspective, but it doesn't look like it has that much pill space for alternative driver solutions, and far from enough heat sinking imo.  I really like that they put in a side clickie though.  I feel bad for that puny front spring having to hold back 5 32650's. 

The low mode should be lower.

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I am looking to get one of these LED farms, but plan to wait until they build them with second generation XM-Ls in a neutral white tint.. I think I will be waiting a long time…

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caall99 wrote:
I am looking to get one of these LED farms, but plan to wait until they build them with second generation XM-Ls in a neutral white tint.. I think I will be waiting a long time...

Or sell a host without LED's for half price.  Replacement XM-L2's on Noctigons would cost over $100.

The low mode should be lower.

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caall99 wrote:
I am looking to get one of these LED farms, but plan to wait until they build them with second generation XM-Ls in a neutral white tint.. I think I will be waiting a long time...

Or sell a host without LED's for half price.  Replacement XM-L2's on Noctigons would cost over $100.

Volume discounts - I was paying $5 each in qty 20 from Hank for XM-L2 U2's on Noctigons (higher now and probably higher for other tints), and for this light, you WILL qualify for a volume discount Smile.

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At least they are using XM-L2s!

That driver though, 22v max input! I want to see that close up.

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Thats an expensive pipe bomb.

12 x XM-L2 alternative for 72,44$ - discount

http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10006644/1519900-ultrafire-lw-12l2-12-cree-xm-l2-t6-5-mode-8800lm

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12X? That's a light weight... Laughing

What intrigues me is 5 32650 capability and the side switch. Been complaints about the tail switch's on these plunger lights. Wonder what the true amps is and how much power really gets to the LED's. $200 is a lot to spend to satisfy some curiosity though...

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I bought 15 LEDs few months ago.. it was a disappointment, it was as bright as regular TR-J18, can’t even open up the driver without damaging it. at least TR-J18 driver swap was a breeze.
not so sure about the lack of fins on this new light will help dissipate all the heat, but then again maybe this light will be driven conservatively.

edit: from the look of the driver pic.. it seems it could be open easily, resistor mod? Big Smile

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Light weight is good. Smile

Most large lights like this with a mechanical switch use the "standard large switch". If its an ompten, it can handle 15 amps without issues.

15A*3,7V*3 cells=166,5W (180W+ with fresh batteries)

3*15A/12 emitters= 3,75A to each emitter

This just shows some of the potential in a 3 cell light. Id rather have 3 cells in series, and 3 in my pocket than to carry a super long and heavy light.

In a 12-18 XM-L light most will not push beyond 2A to each emitter anyway.

When you start going past 9 emitters, you normally just increase the brightness of the flood, not range. So the beam does not get more useful by adding more emitters. Having harder driven emitters will get you better range/throw, and sill give you all the flood you need.

I think its cool to see an 18 XM-L2 light though, but personally I find it useless and would never consider one at that price...

18 XP-G2s at up towards 3A, having about 2/3 de-domed and the 1/3 with 5A4 THAT would be interesting and make a way more useful beam!

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When you start going past 9 emitters, you normally just increase the brightness of the flood, not range. So the beam does not get more useful by adding more emitters.

Even when you have more than 1 emitter its more flood than throw since each reflector going to be smaller ! Wink

But don’t using more LEDs at lower power improve the runtime for the same light output ? That the only real advantage with giant flood I can see… but it may not be true depending of the voltage.

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When you start going past 9 emitters, you normally just increase the brightness of the flood, not range. So the beam does not get more useful by adding more emitters.
Even when you have more than 1 emitter its more flood than throw since each reflector going to be smaller ! Wink But don't using more LEDs at lower power improve the runtime for the same light output ? That the only real advantage with giant flood I can see... but it may not be true depending of the voltage.

 

The point is that when you go beyond 9 emitters, the reflectors are normally not larger, and nine is already a lot of flood.

Most of these lights are driven at 0,8-1,5A to each emitter anyway as far as I have seen. Efficiency is already great. There is little point in increasing efficiency and output if the beam does not get more useable IMO.

If the argument is efficiency. Take a smaller and lighter light and bring a spare set of batteries. That will get you way more output for the weight you are carrying.

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how many mm of diameter have this flashlight?

I have the 15xm-l and the reflector are a crap , I think the reflector of the ak-90 12 xm-l are much better

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Interesting. Id love to see a budget thick walled 4 cell 32650 host with an upscaled (large deep reflectored) BTU shocker/TK70 style head containing 6 or more emitters.

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Tom E wrote:

Anyone else see this yet?

lightmalls.com oem-18t6-led-flashlight

Takes up to 5 26650’s or 5 32650’s with a side switch. May put a Shocker to shame in the weight/size category… At least they are thinking about getting enough power to feed this farm of LED’s.

 

Found Cheaper:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/high-power-22000LM-18-x-Cree-XML-T6-Led-Flashlight-Torch-Lamp-for-5-x-32650/1557534167.html

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Flomotion wrote:
Tom E wrote:

Anyone else see this yet?

lightmalls.com oem-18t6-led-flashlight

Takes up to 5 26650's or 5 32650's with a side switch. May put a Shocker to shame in the weight/size category... At least they are thinking about getting enough power to feed this farm of LED's.

 

Found Cheaper: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/high-power-22000LM-18-x-Cree-XML-T6-Led-F... !http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1557534167_4/high-power-22000LM-18-x-...

And it has even more chinese lumens Laughing

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Tom E wrote:

Anyone else see this yet?

lightmalls.com oem-18t6-led-flashlight

Takes up to 5 26650’s or 5 32650’s with a side switch. May put a Shocker to shame in the weight/size category… At least they are thinking about getting enough power to feed this farm of LED’s.

 

Yup I could see it……for about 2.5 seconds or until it burned several holes in my retina. I could see the smoke and smell the flesh but I didn’t know it was my eyes until everything merged into a singular white orb. One of the other features of my newly acquired blindness are the 18 distinct floating squares shaped like itty bitty cree xml’s that block my now 15 degree field of view. Wink

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i really like that side switch. about frickin time. and for $130, this is starting to be real tempting.
so does using 32650 make it any brighter vs 26650?
and will using 5 cells be brighter than 3 cells?
5 cells is just too dam long of a light to lug around, i can cope with 3 cells though…maybe 4.

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I feel like these companies have so many 1st gen XML’s sitting around, they try to fit AS MANY AS POSSIBLE into one head, just to get rid of them all.. Silly

Kinda joking, looks pretty intense really.

For realz though, you wont get my $$$ until I see 30 in one head, with at least 1a to EACH. |( Also, WHY WHY WHY do these folks INSIST on these shitty 5 mode drivers. REALLY?

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it weight 2.2 lbs ( 1 kilo) without the battery.. with 5 32650 batteries in it? .. fuhgedaboutit Silly

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Wow! This thing is pure ridiculousness! I am so tempted to drop the buck, 30 on it just for the novelty. If I don’t have the thing to show people, someday people would think me crazy when I tried to convince them that such a light was once available….Of course by then we’ll probably be up to 25 or 30 XML’s in a crappy light. LOL! I wonder if Vin54 would be able to turn this into something half-way decent! Hmmmm….

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The $130 shipped price from AliExpress is a lot cheaper ($200 @LM).

32650's won't make it more bright than 26650's, just a couple more mins of runtime - the driver will not know what form factor the cell is. The 3 vs. 4 vs. 5 cells may make a difference in brightness, all depends on the driver. Some of these whacky multi-LED drivers actually pump out more amps to the LED's on less cells, like the J12. I'm sure there's not many amps going to each LED. If it was 1 amp per LED, that would be 18 amps total, 3.6A per cell for 5 cells - sure more because of loss's. 3 cells would be 6A per cell at a minimum a couple of minutes of glory Smile. If 1.5A/LED, 27A total, 5.4A per cell at 5, 9A per cell for 3 -- yikes!

At least the AliExpress has dimensions and a weight listed - 83mm on the head isn't very much for sure...

1000g is still lighter than a Shocker of 1200g -- interesting...

Bottom line - if decently driven at 1 to 1.5A per LED, there surely ain't much heat sinking for 18-27A goin on.