check your old KEEPPOWER batteries for false labeling

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check your old KEEPPOWER batteries for false labeling

read this thread about keeppower putting chinese cells in their batteries…
and labeling some of them as japanese batteries……
the accusation is that this has been going on for years….
they claim that it is a “stupid mistake”… lol
and they do admit mislabeling batteries…..

it has not been proven that they
did it on purpose….
and there is a language barrier…..

so now more evidence needs to be uncovered….
check your old keeppower batteries….
if they say “cell made in japan”
but the cell inside is made in china….
then you got defrauded….

if the label says IC made in japan,
that is referring to the protection circuit,
and not the cell….. and there is
probably a chinese cell inside with no fraud…

chinese batteries can have good capacity…
but japanese cells should have better quality…
and should last for many more recharging cycles…

here is the link to the thread with the photos of fake batteries..

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/25301

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Every time we find a “reliable” name for batteries, we find out sooner or later we’re getting the shaft.

If KeeperPower has all the different brands in their facility then I don’t want to deal with them any longer. Once a cell leaves their factory, they have no say as to how they are advertised. I have no desire to test every new cell for capacity, and I certainly don’t have the time to deal with the reseller if I find I threw my money away. My use for batteries rely on proper rating. I use them for lighting on my bike and I have to rely on runtime. There can be NO question as to what I am buying. And it won’t be KeepPower cells any more. Thanks for bringing this to light!

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I’m ok with my keeppower.
Thanks. Silly

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Anybody can buy this wrapper.

So is this cell I bought from Banggood authentic?

I am pretty disgusted with the whole situation.

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why dont someone sell bare cells with no wrapper, then we can wrap them up with what ever brand we like? you want panny 3400s? bam, you got it. want trustfire flames? here ya go. want an ultrafire? whats wrong with you? 

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Point is that anyone can use Panasonic wrappers on cells then use clear wrapper for holding on the PCM, flatwire etc.

Keeppower does the clear wrapper anyways, so they don't use black only.

Check these A B C

They can do various positive contacts so that is not a relevant thing  that some clear plastic wrappers are Keeppower or not.

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cat eyes wrote:
now keeppower says that the mislabeling occurred because their workers
cannot read english…..

that lie is so far beyond stupid..
they must think we are just retarded people…
drooling on our computers….
no offense to any retarded people reading this…

Why is that so hard to believe? If you had to stick the correct labels on cells for the Chinese market could you guarantee not making mistakes?

What matters is that they fix the factors which led to the mistake happening in the first place and improve the clarity of their labelling.

Keeppower are still the most reputable brand for commercially purchased li-ion cells, I am confident that they haven’t been deliberately ripping anyone off. Bear in mind that most of the top name brands are actually keeppower anyway.

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Omg what if Keeppower is putting fake Panasonic wrappers on Chinese cells. I don’t put anything past them. There is no crime they will not commit.

You are starting to look a bit silly with your ever more extreme claims, which is probably a good thing if you’re going to carry on with them.

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Interesting,

I was looking at these today. anyone have experience with this seller. he seems to back up his batteries with graphs.

Also is that a ok price or link to better buy appreciated

edit link would help lol

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-KeepPower-Protected-Sanyo-UR14500P-800mAh-...

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I dont think Keeppower uses fake Panasonic cells or such, but that was not just a little error. It was like that for maybe 2 years, thats far beyond a simple mistake. Most reputable brand? Not for me. Enerpower is the way to go.

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After reading about this here and the other thread, I had to check mine so I peeled back the label and cut a hole. Now, I’d like to remove the black completely but will the protection circuit on the end still be captive under the green or outside of it?

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the protection circuit will come off if you take off the black wrapper.

Also, its hard to cheat with a 3400mah cell. Panasonic is the only maker with that capacity.

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Actually keeppower makes some batteries with black wrapper and clear wrapper and I even showed examples up the thread. Keeppower is not the only company making batteries with black wrappers.

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check out RMM's thread on some batteries can't remember now.

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I agree it was a stupid mistake to make, and should have been corrected earlier, but I’m willing to believe that it was no more than that.

The thing is that they weren’t counterfeit cells, they didn’t make any claims about what brand the cell was, the main claim was in capacity, which both the Sanyo and DLG cells met. The only claim on the cell which was incorrect were the words ‘Cell and’, as the IC was made in Japan by SEIKO.

They wrap cells which are the same size and both with exactly the same label apart from those two words in relatively small print, and that small print is in a foreign language which a number of their employees don’t even speak, so it’s not to hard for me to see how a mistake could have been made.

That said, I still agree with you that it shouldn’t have happened. They needed to explain the issue and how they are going to correct it, but they seem to have been actively trying to do so. I don’t think it’s fair to just keep insulting them when they are already trying to explain why it happened and fix the issue for the future.

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So the same mistake over a period of 2 years is still just a stupid little insignificant mistake? Yeah, sure, why not.

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NightCrawl wrote:

So the same mistake over a period of 2 years is still just a stupid little insignificant mistake? Yeah, sure, why not.

Was it really over two years though? I don’t remember Keeppower 14500s even being commercially available for that long, and they certainly did label some past 14500s as only IC and not cell made in Japan. What is this 2 year claim based upon?

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I don’t want manufactures or the downstream distributors/vendors to think they can get away with misrepresentation. The language barrier is a weak excuse. I’m certain they have a firm grasp of payment systems despite language barriers. In return for the robust profit margins they receive we should have assurance of product integrity!

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lightme wrote:
After reading about this here and the other thread, I had to check mine so I peeled back the label and cut a hole. Now, I’d like to remove the black completely but will the protection circuit on the end still be captive under the green or outside of it?

The black shrinkwrap is holding the protection on.
$1.18 18650 shrinkwrap 2 meters. Black, clear & other colors available. 1 meter of blue for $0.84.


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@cat eyes: While I partially agree with you, your posts are very hard to read.. and make you seem less smart than you might be.

RedForest UK wrote:
NightCrawl wrote:

So the same mistake over a period of 2 years is still just a stupid little insignificant mistake? Yeah, sure, why not.

Was it really over two years though? I don't remember Keeppower 14500s even being commercially available for that long, and they certainly did label some past 14500s as only IC and not cell made in Japan. What is this 2 year claim based upon?

HKJ posted his review of KP 14500 on 31.03.2012, thats not far from 2 years, is it?

In the other thread, you posted that you got 14500s labelled "cell and IC made in Japan" but found a blue cell, and you still think it was just a mistake?

RedForest UK wrote:
[..] I bought two '800mah' Keeppower 14500s from CNQG recently, they have 'Cell and IC made in Japan' on the label, but I have cut a small window in the outer wrapping and it shows a clearly blue cell underneath, so not the Sanyo I was expecting/hoping for.

 

-> Problem exists with 14500 and 18500.

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3400mAh 18650 is fine? I still considering for WB discount.

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Since its happened with 14500 and 18500 over an extended time period who knows what keeppower batteries are affected. Get some 18650 shrink wrap, buy the WB 3400s & just check that its not labeled wrong. You can do shrink wrap with a hair dryer or a lighter even.


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Anyone seen 18650s with fake cells inside ?

Should I open the wrapper on all my cells to check ?

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I have perhaps 20-25 Keeppower 3400mah 18650 cells. While I don’t know for certain every cell is legit and not rebranded, I do know they are all good cells. All have been tested in lights countless times. If it was a rebranded ultrafire or such, I would have found out by now. Most of my high power lights need quality cells to operate properly, and all of my Keeppower 18650’s deliver the power needed.
I can’t say much about their other battery sizes since I little experience with them.

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Personally I would check. I would want to be sure of what I really had. Even with 25 batteries I would check them.

Shrinkwrap from FT is cheap. You could the reaply the keeppower label under clear shrinkwrap. If needed, heating the label with a hair dryer should soften the glue to help peel it off the original wrap.


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If I take of the wrappers to check on mine, would the protection circuit also come off ?

I mean is the wrapper holding the circuit in place ?

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THS89 wrote:
If I take of the wrappers to check on mine, would the protection circuit also come off ?

I mean is the wrapper holding the circuit in place ?

Nope. The circuit is soldered to the battery. I just rewrapped a protected cell yesterday.

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The wrapper does help hold the protection. The wires are soldered on but it still needs a wrapper or tape to use the battery in flashlights.


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Helios- wrote:
The wrapper does help hold the protection. The wires are soldered on but it still needs a wrapper or tape to use the battery in flashlights.

How can I check what’s inside without taking of the whole wrapper or damaging the cell ? I don’t have the wrapper or a heat gun to re-wrap them.

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THS89 wrote:
How can I check what's inside without taking of the whole wrapper or damaging the cell ? I don't have the wrapper or a heat gun to re-wrap them.

You cant. But I've shrink wrapped cells with a hair blower, worked fine.

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I bet you could even shrink it over a toaster. Big Smile
~ edit ~
Yep! Works well. Unfortunately it does not retain aroma of toast. :_(
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I think it is hard to trust any of them. I only say this due to the fact that labels for various manufacturers are available to re wrap a cell. Are the metal barrels of the cells from Panny or Sanyo marked under the main wrapper? if not how do you really know who’s battery it is?

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