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I really hate it when they just copy same the models over and over again. They need to get on a Xenos E03 clone, with neutral white.

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This is great news two lights with no flashing strobe garbage modes. They are finally giving us what we want.

This one could be a throw king hopefully really good heat sinking and no flashy strobes, yes.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-c9-t60-xm-lt6-3-mode-1200-lumen-w...

Hopefully protected batteries fit in this version of the C2 no strobes, yes.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-c2-t60-cree-xm-lt6-3-mode-1200-lu...

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I have just ordered this one http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-c2-t60-cree-xm-lt6-3-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-flashlight-w-strap-1-x-18650-1-x-17670-90777

I sometimes use a Uniquefire L2 with a 5-mode XML-T6 drop in from DX as a bike light, and it is a big problem to get past the "flashy modesYell" every time i want to change the brightness. On high this will be too bright for oncoming traffic, i hope mid is about 1,5A, that is perfect for me (acceptable battery life and more than bright enough). High can be used for a short time, only when i need more light, and low will be useable as daytime light to be more visible on a dark (rainy) day.

The C9 is too big for a one 18650 light, if i want to use a big light, than i will use the Trustfire X8, wich has perfect heatsinking and longer runtime with 2 batteries. It is also useable with one 18650 if i want to make it a little more compact. But that is also too big for a bike light.

 

 

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Hobbyfotograaf wrote:

I have just ordered this one http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-c2-t60-cree-xm-lt6-3-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-flashlight-w-strap-1-x-18650-1-x-17670-90777

I sometimes use a Uniquefire L2 with a 5-mode XML-T6 drop in from DX as a bike light, and it is a big problem to get past the "flashy modesYell" every time i want to change the brightness. On high this will be too bright for oncoming traffic, i hope mid is about 1,5A, that is perfect for me (acceptable battery life and more than bright enough). High can be used for a short time, only when i need more light, and low will be useable as daytime light to be more visible on a dark (rainy) day.

The C9 is too big for a one 18650 light, if i want to use a big light, than i will use the Trustfire X8, wich has perfect heatsinking and longer runtime with 2 batteries. It is also useable with one 18650 if i want to make it a little more compact. But that is also too big for a bike light.

 

 

I had a problem with my DX kit light C2 protected batteries would not fit in it but it looks like this one has a different tailcap so hopefully that fixed the problem.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/2246

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E1320 wrote:

I had a problem with my DX kit light C2 protected batteries would not fit in it but it looks like this one has a different tailcap so hopefully that fixed the problem.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/2246

I hope they have fixed that problem, because i only want to use protected batteries...

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Could someone kindly clarify this specification for me:

1000~1200 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)

Are these OTF lumens?

How can there be a 20% variation in lumen values from identically specced emitters?  Does this 200 lumen difference depend on the specific cells one uses?  Or are they just taking a wild guess at its output?

Dollar-wise (at least in Aus) they're very good value if they're a genuine 1200 lumen flashlight.  Or are we realistically looking at 600-750 lumens OTF?

Thanks, Geoff. Smile

 

 

 


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Yeah, I'm afraid DX and other ***fire lights generally claim whatever they think is roughly possible from the emitter they use and sounds most impressive. You should be looking at around 700 OTF I would think, the two without flashing disco modes do look good for the price. That C9 has good heatsinking on the body, I just hope the thermal design inside the head is as effective.

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ausGeoff wrote:

Could someone kindly clarify this specification for me:

1000~1200 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)

Are these OTF lumens?

How can there be a 20% variation in lumen values from identically specced emitters?  Does this 200 lumen difference depend on the specific cells one uses?  Or are they just taking a wild guess at its output?

Dollar-wise (at least in Aus) they're very good value if they're a genuine 1200 lumen flashlight.  Or are we realistically looking at 600-750 lumens OTF?

Thanks, Geoff. Smile

Dealextreme lumen numbers are basically worthless. AN Xm-L is incapalble of producing more than 1000 lumens at the emitter, much less at the front. DX claims the driver puts 3amps at the emitter. If this is accurate, we know form Match's XM-L testing that 3amps will generate 880 lumens at the emitter. A good estimation of out the front with a larger light is about 75% of the at the emitter figure. Based on that you are looking at somewhere in the vicinity of 660 lumens OTF. If its a particularly efficient design, you can maybe squeeze out 700. On the otherhand, it could be a fairly crappy design and implementation and may only do 600, assuming that the 3amp current is correct.

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ausGeoff wrote:

Could someone kindly clarify this specification for me:

1000~1200 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)

Are these OTF lumens?

How can there be a 20% variation in lumen values from identically specced emitters?  Does this 200 lumen difference depend on the specific cells one uses?  Or are they just taking a wild guess at its output?

Dollar-wise (at least in Aus) they're very good value if they're a genuine 1200 lumen flashlight.  Or are we realistically looking at 600-750 lumens OTF?

Thanks, Geoff. Smile

 

 

 


There's not a chance in hell DX is talking OTF .. they know everyone wants to be lied to  and use it as a selling point .. they don't lie wildly are are  consistant about how they rate .. but come on do you think DX is talking OTF lumens ?? This is the oldest trick in the book from the car dealers all the way back to the cave man selling a wheel .I guarentee you the most sophicated buyer will buy the higher lumen light if they are the same light side by side  and one is claimed 10% to 20 %  higher .. he in his wildest fantasy will be thinking ..."well maybe "  when he knows it's impossible  to do more than the emmiter is able to do .

 That said ..that's no reason to not buy lights from DX .they have many many fine lights .

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What I do like about those DX flashlights is the lack of SOS and strobe on a couple of them.  I far prefer a simple 3-mode type.

Why then do most manufacturers insist on including disco modes if nobody (apparently other than LEOs or S&R types) really wants and/or needs 'em?  I've only ever used the fixed modes on my little collection, and in fact having to cycle through the flashing modes on my Trustfire SST-50 drives me nuts!

My other complaint... moan, whinge... is that I personally don't like tail-cap clickies.  For anybody with slightly arthritic thumb joints, they're a pain in the a... er... thumb.  Which is one of the main reasons I bought an iTP A6.  And reverse clickies are particularly annoying.

I note too that the DX SKU 90779 only has a single lanyard hole instead of two (which possibly means it won't tail-stand securely with a para cord lanyard.  For me, during blackouts, secure tail-standing is a must for ceiling bounce.

 
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Thanks for the suggestion Bob...

The switches are a soft press forward clicky. The switch is so comfortable that I actually press it with an arthritic lump on the last thumb joint of my right hand.


It's not so much the pressure needed to actuate the tail clickies, but more the angle I have to get the tip of my thumb into from the last thumb joint.  The smaller in diameter the flashlight body, the more trouble I have.  I prefer to hold the flashlight underhand and use my other thumb to change modes.  I know that doesn't look  nearly as macho (read 'tactical' LOL) as overhand, but it suits me.

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I am waiting for http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-c2-t60-cree-xm-lt6-3-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-flashlight-w-strap-1-x-18650-1-x-17670-90777?r=4303328 . It is for my friend, and he wants good batteries for it. Question is: should I buy Hi-Max 18650 Protected or something different? I saw somewhere information that Hi-Max battery is quite long, so I am worried if it will fit in C2... 

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This were being the best for the price

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah...

But last batches are failing due to the fact that they changed the PCB and now the protection "cuts" when you try to draw more than 1 amp from them...

Dont know if the problem is solved. Probably yes... but. i dont know

 

However, unprotected batteries dont have that problem, and those should be the best ones at DX

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfire-tr-18650-2500mah-3-7v-batteries-2...

 

** EDIT **

 I have researched, the bad batch was from february-march 2011

The problem is solved now.

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Thanks, I have 2 packs of flame trustfire, bought 13.4.2011, and they are working great with all direct driven XM-L flashlights that I have/had Smile But I am afraid, they can change batch every month... 

I forgot my price limit - for 6 batteries, it is about 36shipped Smile Any other ideas?

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PatrikL wrote:

Thanks, I have 2 packs of flame trustfire, bought 13.4.2011, and they are working great with all direct driven XM-L flashlights that I have/had Smile But I am afraid, they can change batch every month... 

I forgot my price limit - for 6 batteries, it is about 36shipped Smile Any other ideas?

 

6 xtar 2600's. A few $$$ more but well worth it.

 

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edc wrote:
PatrikL wrote:

I forgot my price limit - for 6 batteries, it is about 36shipped Smile Any other ideas?

6 xtar 2600's. A few $$$ more but well worth it.

But hurry if you are likely to buy them. BLF promotion ends at the end of this month - see: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/2476

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The problem with the Trustfire flames has been fixed for some time now and it was only one batch that was bad. Out of 20 batteries ordered over 3 months i only got 2 that were bad and the circuit can easily be popped off. I do have the C2 kit light from DX and the protected batteries definitely don't fit unless this one has a different tail cap.

 

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/2246

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Yes, I have researched, the bad batch was from february-march 2011

The problem is solved now. I edit my previous post

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So it looks like XTAR 18700 are good, but they won't fit in C2 light even with slightly different tail cap? Smile