Review: Quad XML2 Flooder [Similar design as a UF-T90], E-Switch in Handle (4x XML2, 1 - 4x 18650)

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Review: Quad XML2 Flooder [Similar design as a UF-T90], E-Switch in Handle (4x XML2, 1 - 4x 18650)

I hesitate to call this Beauty an "Ultrafire UF-T90 clone" because this light greatly improves upon the design with a simple change. 

Reviewer's Overall Rating: ★★★

 

 

 

Summary:

Battery: 4 x 18650
Switch: Electronic switch in Handle
Modes: 4: High, Medium, Low + hidden strobe
LED Type: 4 x XM-L2  (Pure White) 
Lens: Glass
Tailstands: Yes 
Price: $53.89 Shipped
Provided by: Focal Price
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Full disclosure up front, I paid $23.89 for this beautiful flashlight/lantern review sample. I had high hopes for this and it has far exceeded my hopes and expectations. It has several features similar to that of an SRK, but it is a large step above SRK build quality and is what I would consider a very nice, floodier version of an SRK with a handle and quad tacticool strike bezels.

 

Pros:

Versatility in Battery options (1 - 4 x 18650)

XML2 emitters, pure cool white.

Electronic switch is perfectly positioned in the handle.

Tailstands despite having a handle.

Exterior/machining/thread quality is great. No sharp edges, smooth threads. 

Beefy integrated led shelf.

Driver retaining ring makes modification extremely simple. 

Annodized threads (Lockout).

 

Cons: 

Incompatible with flat top batteries (Laptop pulls need solder mound added to positive terminal)

Positive terminal of batteries rub against the driver contact board when tightening the battery tube.

While it will run on 1, 2, 3, or 4 cells with only 1 cell some kind of spacer will be required in order to secure the 18650 from tipping over while tightening.

My flashlight came with a scuff and a scratch on the tailcap (Evident in pictures).

 

Neutral:

Quad Strike Bezels. They aren't really necessary, but some may like them, others may not.

 

 

Function/UI:

On a single samsung laptop pull:

High Medium  Low
5 Amps 1.5A  .4A

On 4x samsung laptop pulls I was able to measure 7 amps with quite a bit of resistance in my setup. 


Fairly standard and simple UI:

A Single brief press of the switch turns the light on in High

Another press switches to medium

Another press switches to low

A final press turns the light off.

 

The 'hidden strobe' can be accessed in any mode (including while off) by holding the switch for 1 second. The strobe uses high output.

A Single brief press while in strobe will revert the light to the mode that the flashlight was in prior to accessing strobe (Off - Strobe - Off, Medium - Strobe - Medium, etc.).

 

 

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From the front. 4 Perfectly centered, beautifully tinted XM-L2 emitters. You can see the raised E-switch on the handle here. Easily accessible with or without gloves. The handle itself is machined so your thumb naturally rests right on the button.


The Tailcap. Here is the unfortunate scratch and scuff mark.


Beautiful machining work, and very nice annodization. After scouring the macro shots I did find 2 very small marks under the anno, in between the machined fins.

With cells installed the center of mass is slightly towards the rear making it naturally aim at an upward angle. This is perfect when walking with the light held by the handle and at your side.


The Tube removed from the head, fairly standard for the 'soup can' lights. The amount of aluminum that was removed from the battery slots is what causes a bit of an issue for 1x 18650 operation.


Another angle of the handle and a look into the underside of the head. The retaining ring snugly holds the driver in place. This retaining ring makes for easy access to the top side of the driver for modification (as opposed to having the leverage out the driver via the E-switch hole in an SRK.)



I took this to show how short the battery tube seems (This was an annoying issue with an SRK clone), but it's actually the lengthy springs in this quad xml2 flashlight. Unprotected and long protected cells fit just fine. 

(Do NOT mix cells in a flashlight, Picture is for demonstration of cell lengths in tube only)


Size Comparison: 

Before we break this light down lets do a quick size comparison.

Tangsfire C8, Quad XML2 Handle, SRK clone, Maglite 3D

The diameter of the battery tube of the quad is about 5mm thinner than the SRK clone.

 

BreakDown/Disassembly:

Driver Compartment: 18mm
LED Shelf Thickness:    9mm
Driver Width (PCB): 40mm
Reflector Width: 21mm
Reflector Height: 18mm


Starting with the retaining ring, beautiful little trapezoidal threads. Super smooth threading.


The business side of the driver, held in the brass piece with a bit of solder. This is by far the simplest driver I have seen in a soup can light. Based on my current measurements it seems to be working okay. This light can handle far more than it is currently (pun intended) seeing. 


THIS is what I love to see. Integrated LED shelf. Measured thickness of a massive 9mm.


Moving on to the front. 4 aluminum bezels, 4 fairly tiny O-rings, 4 pieces of plain glass (1mm thick), 4 reflectors, and 4 purty, perfectly centered XM-L2 emitters with some thermal paste underneath.


Beamshots:


White wall 2ft


Center tree lacking some limbs: 50 Yards

Pretty self explanatory. This 'quad xml2 handle' (I'm extremely creative when it comes to names Smile ), is a souped up version of the SRK clone as far as the beam profile is concerned. Brighter, floodier (in regards to the wider hotspot), while maintaining a similar amount of throw.


Conclusion:

There are a few common cons that come standard with your typical 'soup can' light. The incompatibility with flattop cells really can't easily be prevented, but the heatsinking issue many SRK clone lights are being built with definitely can be prevented and improved upon.

This flashlight I've aptly coined the 'quad xml2 handle' goes far and above your typical soup can or SRK clone. The heatsinking is superb with an extremely thick 9mm integrated led shelf. The machining and finish are similarly above the standard quality for a light with similar features in the $40-60 price range. While the drive current is reasonable at 7A on laptop pulls, I believe this light is well equipped to handle over 3A per emitter (12A+ total).

 

This is a great flashlight with even greater potential. I rate this flashlight a 5 out of 5.

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not a bad light for something under $24 Big Smile

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Any details on whether other BLF users can get in at that price?

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Full disclosure up front, I paid $23.89 for this beautiful flashlight/lantern.
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kuoh wrote:
Any details on whether other BLF users can get in at that price?

KuoH

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Full disclosure up front, I paid $23.89 for this beautiful flashlight/lantern.

I can talk with them about a group buy perhaps if there is enough interest, but I don’t think we could get the price down that far.

I was offered the deep discount in exchange for evaluating the flashlight and writing up the review. As with all my reviews I take into consideration the quality and performance at full cost.

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Looking forward to the finished review. Looks like an interesting light.

"Tailstand despite having a handle"

Is that a pro?

I don't have any lights with a handle that cant tail stand. I don't like that the handle on this light isn't longer.. Looks like they easily could have extended it 1-2cm without issues.

I also suspect that the bezels will steal some light and also ruin the spill edge a bit?

Please measure output with and without those bezels.

Looks like it have lockout, is that correct?

So far, looks like an interesting light considering the price.  Smile

Im not a fan of the looks from the front though, mostly due to the bezels and that the head becomes smaller near the end of the business end.. With a smarter and better looking the design the reflectors could have been wider.

I assume its size is similar to the T90 in the middle here (picture by 18sixfifty). Which means reflectors are quite small compared to other quad lights with a handle. Please share reflector dimensions.

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Nice!

Looks like that big ole honkering Battery + pad could use the solder reflow mod to make sure it doesn’t wear off the trace

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/15032

Are you going to hotrod it, or just do the basic make it run like it should mods?
A. copper stars
B. Thicker wires
C. battery ground spring solder wick upgrade

I must say…I REAAAAALY like the SRK…but these things are rapidly making me want to get one! Smile

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Nice!

Looks like that big ole honkering Battery + pad could use the solder reflow mod to make sure it doesn’t wear off the trace

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/15032

Are you going to hotrod it, or just do the basic make it run like it should mods?
A. copper stars
B. Thicker wires
C. battery ground spring solder wick upgrade

I must say…I REAAAAALY like the SKR…but these things are rapidly making me want to get one! Smile


This is the first ‘soup can’ light I’ve come across that has an integrated led shelf (like the SupFire M6). I do believe I will upgrade this puppy to its full potential.
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RaceR86 wrote:

Looking forward to the finished review. Looks like an interesting light.

"Tailstand despite having a handle"

Is that a pro?

I don't have any lights with a handle that cant tail stand. I don't like that the handle on this light isn't longer.. Looks like they easily could have extended it 1-2cm without issues.

I think it's a pro. I've seen a few handle lights that have extended handles that make tailstanding wobbly, and in a floodier light like this tailstanding is a necessity. Will be a good one for a power outage ceiling illuminator / lamp. Smile

Quote:

I also suspect that the bezels will steal some light and also ruin the spill edge a bit?

Please measure output with and without those bezels.

They do. They actually make an interesting, rounded-edge pentagon while white-walling at close range. I'm working on my rig for lumen measurement, I will definitely be updating this again when my meter finally gets here.

Quote:

Looks like it have lockout, is that correct?

It does.

Quote:

So far, looks like an interesting light considering the price.  Smile

Im not a fan of the looks from the front though, mostly due to the bezels and that the head becomes smaller near the end of the business end.. With a smarter and better looking the design the reflectors could have been wider.

I assume its size is similar to the T90 in the middle here (picture by 18sixfifty). Which means reflectors are quite small compared to other quad lights with a handle. Please share reflector dimensions.

I'm fairly certain it's 1:1 with the UF-T90 except for the handle placement and the e-switch, but I will make sure to bring the calipers for the breakdown.

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I don’t mind the handle but I just don’t like the power button on the handle.. that’s mean the handle can’t be remove.
It’s the same reason for holding me back from buying BlackShadow terminator II even though it has a great price from IS :~
but if it’s for $23?? well.. I could always make an exception Wink

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DayLighter wrote:
I don’t mind the handle but I just don’t like the power button on the handle.. that’s mean the handle can’t be remove.
It’s the same reason for holding me back from buying BlackShadow terminator II even though it has a great price from IS :~
but if it’s for $23?? well.. I could always make an exception Wink

You’ve got 40 SRKs, why would you need to remove the handle on this lil’ guy? Silly
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unknown00101 wrote:
DayLighter wrote:
I don’t mind the handle but I just don’t like the power button on the handle.. that’s mean the handle can’t be remove.
It’s the same reason for holding me back from buying BlackShadow terminator II even though it has a great price from IS :~
but if it’s for $23?? well.. I could always make an exception Wink

You’ve got 40 SRKs, why would you need to remove the handle on this lil’ guy? Silly

lol.. correction.. I don’t own 40 “SRK” only 8 :bigsmile:

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Looks like a nice light!
If a group buy was possible with a price close to what you paid for it I would be interested.

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Alright. I’ve updated OP with a bunch of pics and data.

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Thanks for the review.

"Brighter, floodier, and slightly more throw."

The SRK quad clearly have more flood (at least spill). The Quad with a handle have a wider hotspot.

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RaceR86 wrote:

Thanks for the review.

"Brighter, floodier, and slightly more throw."

The SRK quad clearly have more flood (at least spill). The Quad with a handle have a wider hotspot.

Whoops, thanks had a brain fart there.

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I dub the the “Heatsinkasaurus” Big Smile

9mm thick LED shelf..whoah, alot of meat there to soak up and move that heat…if you really crank up the power it will definitely make the head get warm…but that’s what it’s supposed to do 8)

Now just need a driver with 4 independent channels to power the emitters, even at a heft 3A a piece…boy howdy will that thing suck the juice
I believe the 12A 32*7135 BLF SRK driver might be able to be divided into sub channels by cutting some traces…

What is the diameter of the driver? (nm I see it in your updated data)
Driver Width (PCB): 40mm

Payday I might “sneak” this one past the wife…yeah right

I still have a 3X XM-L SRK I gotta fix…uggh

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I dub the the “Heatsinkasaurus” Big Smile

9mm thick LED shelf..whoah, alot of meat there to soak up and move that heat…if you really crank up the power it will definitely make the head get warm…but that’s what it’s supposed to do 8)

Now just need a driver with 4 independent channels to power the emitters, even at a heft 3A a piece…boy howdy will that thing suck the juice
I believe the 12A 32*7135 BLF SRK driver might be able to be divided into sub channels by cutting some traces…

What is the diameter of the driver? (nm I see it in your updated data)
Driver Width (PCB): 40mm

Payday I might “sneak” this one past the wife…yeah right

I still have a 3X XM-L SRK I gotta fix…uggh

Definitely lol.

I was so baffled by my initial measurement using a toothpick(:D) that I went and caliper measured the length of the head, depth from the driver side, and depth from the front. I was expecting your typical 1-3mm thick shelf, but instead was greeted with 9mm of potential.

It definitely at the very least deserves to be converted to copper stars and bumped to a minimum of 3A per led.

I too have a 3xml SRK that needs fixing, but this one jumped to the front of the line by showing me its assets. :bigsmile:

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The head looks like it is very similar size to the Nitecore TM26 Tiny Monster or even smaller but for one hell of a lot less money. Lots of head fins it looks like which is good for cooling. I just ordered one as I have a weakness for lights with handles. So far I have a Terminator and a Terminator T70, a Solarstorm SP03 and a Supfire L1. I also have a Nitecore handle and clamping ring coming that I think will fit Supfire M6 lights in addition to the Nitecore TM lights and also possibly my SRK lights. Also a Niteye Eye 30 handle that looks like it might fit any light with a tripod socket. See what fits what when they arrive.

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Richwouldnt wrote:
The head looks like it is very similar size to the Nitecore TM26 Tiny Monster or even smaller but for one hell of a lot less money. Lots of head fins it looks like which is good for cooling. I just ordered one as I have a weakness for lights with handles. So far I have a Terminator and a Terminator T70, a Solarstorm SP03 and a Supfire L1. I also have a Nitecore handle and clamping ring coming that I think will fit Supfire M6 lights in addition to the Nitecore TM lights and also possibly my SRK lights. Also a Niteye Eye 30 handle that looks like it might fit any light with a tripod socket. See what fits what when they arrive.

Nice! This lil’ guy is still my go-to light when I want to blast something with a lot of light. Smile

Poor little SRKs have just been sitting collecting dust.
I need to turn them into cash so I can make this thing ridiculous.

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Unsure weather to pull the pin on this or a Terminator clone, can be had for cheap on Aliexpress.

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Unsure weather to pull the pin on this or a Terminator clone, can be had for cheap on Aliexpress.

I’d trust Focalprice before AliExpress.

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Actually if you look closely at the photo on the AliExpress listed light it appears to be the same light as this one, though with a greatly exaggerated Lumens claim on the AliExpress light. 2000 Lumens per XM-L2 would achieve instant self destruction of the LEDs.

The question then becomes whether or not they are the same internally. I have bought two SRK clones which appeared virtually identical to look at but they had totally different internal construction, making one a suitable customization/hop up candidate and the other a hopeless POS light that was stuck at no better than the original 1800 Lumens maximum actual measured output. The less expensive light was the better one in that case, both from Amazon sellers.

The OP was nice enough to disassemble the light reported on here, take photos shown, and it looks like it has excellent internal construction and is a great hop up candidate. The other remains a pig in a poke until someone does a similar analysis and report. Do you want to be the guinea pig?

The SRKs with all of their internal variation are teaching us that the same external appearance and even name on some Chinese made lights means NOTHING as far as internal construction details are concerned. Very similar appearing lights can vary tremendously internally.

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Hmm, why isnt’t this more popular? It seems to have great heat management.

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Hmm, why isnt’t this more popular? It seems to have great heat management.

The bezels. 60% sure its the bezels. Heck, I don’t like them.

But I have a bench grinder. And I need something to finally push me over into buying new wheels for it. XD

This light is on my list most definitely. But I would have to buy another quartet of new high-quality cells to feed it, and that’s another $30 on top of the light. And I have other projects that take priority now over another toy.

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This review from May seems to be the only mention I found for it and for some reason the major China web sellers do not seem to have picked it up so it is not an easy item to find. It still seems to be pretty new too. I did find a China seller now has it listed on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/N5-CREE-Super-Bright-Lantern/dp/B00MQKARAA

So basically too new and with lousy distribution and little group discussion so far it seems. I have one coming and it will go to RMM to see what he can do with it when it arrives. The OP has never apparently reported on his modification attempt, if any done.

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OP is a tortoise-slow modder. Silly

Love to see what RMM can do with this lil’ beefcake.

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RMM just finished doing a SupFire L1 for me and reports that with Sony high current batteries and the copper mounted LEDs he installed plus driver mods and braided battery springs it is now putting out 7300 Lumens in Turbo mode. He may also have upgraded the wiring. It also now has the same seven level output UI driver he uses in his standard SupFire M6 modification which ONLY outputs 4600 Lumens in Turbo mode so the 5 leds on the L1 are putting out almost as much per LED as the three in the M6 from his level 2 modification.

If he can do the same with this little monster it should be close to 6000 Lumens when he is finished with it, adequate I think! :bigsmile:

BTW he reported doing the L1 was a real PITA as it has 5 separate reflectors which are held between a front plate and the LEDs so getting everything reasonably well aligned during reassembly was a PITA. He did NOT seem anxious to do another! This might be a good alternative.

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Bezels are ridiculous for 23 reasons.

But are they removable? Unscrew and replace with standard type? Grinding down 4 bezels is a bit tedious! I’m keen to hear any modding attempts and what’s involved.

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You mean that you do not try to grate Parmesan cheese with your lights with strike bezels? :bigsmile: Actually seeing as how they are described as aluminum and I have a metal lathe in the basement they are “no problemo senor”, at least for me. I do have some lights with pretty ridiculous strike bezels though including one with the old totally outrageous Solarforce strike bezel with prongs about 30mm long. I have it on the L2X waffle pattern light, a special run from years ago.

As for the being removable question the OP shows them removed in one of the photos in the original review at the start of this thread. They do give the light a distinctive look compared to others and you can always tell the cop that the purpose is to make it readily visible if the light is placed on a table with the front down and inadvertently left on.

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Any update on the upgrade mod?

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