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60A batteries?!!?

Sorry it’s a link to a vaping guy…but he gets TONS of sweet deals

He just posted this

http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2014/05/dominate-new-batteries-imren-40a-18...

There is a new set of batteries coming that promise to raise the bar in amperage. If this holds true we have a new monster battery on our hands. Depending on how the tests roll-out these may be the highest amperage 18650 and 26650 to date.

Ok battery geeks and flash light junkies – have at it!

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Impressive but the capacity is really low Sad

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dazed1 wrote:
Impressive but the capacity is really low :(

Not if the current is correct, but it is a bit tricky with connections when working with 60A in small devices.

Even 60A batteries is nothing new, A123 had even more: 70A continuous and 120A pulse

 

But at a slightly lover voltage.

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70A direct drive?

i see Flashlights cooled with liquid nitrogen… 8)

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who have test the IMREN 18650 40A ?? batteries , if the test results didn’t arrived 40amp , they would be cheat their customer . Flat Stare

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This light with the battery trimmed for single cell use, direct drive, emitters parallel for 5A each.  Install XM-L2's with direct copper mcpcb's.  19 thousand lumens and probably a new hole in the ozone layer if you point it at the sky.

The low mode should be lower.

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This MNKE 26650 3500 mah battery’s maximum pulse discharging current is 60A

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These batteries have a discharge rate of 40A and 60A. You can see in the picture what their mAH ratings are. Seems reasonable to me. Li-PO batteries made for hobby R/C cars are available with discharge rates well above these.

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It’s a pity A123 went out of business. I thought those things were the shizz!

@DavidEF whist rc (lipo) batteries have always outperformed, they do not come in cylindrical form.

  

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These batteries have a discharge rate of 40A and 60A. You can see in the picture what their mAH ratings are. Seems reasonable to me. Li-PO batteries made for hobby R/C cars are available with discharge rates well above these.

Be careful with these high current ratings, some (probably most) of them are puls ratings and they do not specify how long puls you can use.

I have just partially melted the wrap on a 50A rated cell, when doing a 30A discharge.

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Here is a high discharge rate Li-PO battery for R/C cars. Notice the “150C” rating:

http://www.maxamps.com/Lipo-6500HC-74-Pack-N.htm

Now, here’s an explanation of what that ‘C’ rating means:

https://www.commonsenserc.com/page.php?page=c_ratings_explained.html

edit: For those who don’t want to bother with following the links, here’s a breakdown. The first link shows a 6500mAH battery pack with a rating of 150C. The second link says that the ‘C’ means the capacity, and the number of the ‘C’ means how many TIMES capacity the discharge rate is. So, the battery at the first link would have a discharge rate of 6.5A X 150 = 975A discharge rate!

It also has a price of about $140USD!

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For those not in the know with rc STAY AWAY FROM MAXAMPS!!!

They are the biggest scammers in rc with their over rated lipo’s.

Period

  

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pinkpanda3310 wrote:
It’s a pity A123 went out of business. I thought those things were the shizz!

@DavidEF whist rc (lipo) batteries have always outperformed, they do not come in cylindrical form.

With the high capacity and super high discharge rate of some of these batteries, and the capacity some of the guys on here have for fabricating flashlights, I’d think the non-cylindrical shape would be worth working around!

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Yes indeed. You also run into other problems with such high amps though – high heat, low efficiency and lack of suitable led’s. Current batteries can serve current drivers that serve current led’s.

The thing that led has over most other light forms (incan, halogen, etc…) is efficiency. Lipo’s could be more useful in big HID lights.

  

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pinkpanda3310 wrote:
For those not in the know with rc STAY AWAY FROM MAXAMPS!!!

They are the biggest scammers in rc with their over rated lipo’s.

Period

Thanks for the warning. I’m one of those “not in the know with rc”. But, there are still plenty of other places that sell at least up to 3800mAH 60C battery packs. That still translates into a discharge rate of 228A! Well above the batteries shown in the OP. I just wanted to let people know that the batteries in the OP are not just alien technology or cartoon technology. Stuff like that really exists in our world. The part they don’t tell you is that the discharge rate sword cuts both ways. A battery with a 60C continuous discharge rate would be finished in one minute, possibly less, if it were actually to be used at that rate continuously.

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Hobbyking is said to be a good store for RC stuff and batteries
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/index.asp

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Ok, fair enough. One point to note though, as HKJ pointed out real life test/applications can be very different from stated specs. Most of the battery industry is somehow unregulated and they all have there own way of “testing” to come with “x” and “y” values for a given battery. So it is hard to know what is a good battery (even in rc)???

In regards to maxamps, I haven’t rc’d in a year or so but when I did I learned maxamps started in someones garage in the US. They bought cheap chinese (possibly seconds) cells and assembled them in the garage then over stated the specs, put a flashy label on and advertised the hell out of it. Result was a hoard of unhappy customers but because of the influx of noobs to rc they kept in business.

Here is one of my first eye openers about lipo’s

  

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Jerommel wrote:
Hobbyking is said to be a good store for RC stuff and batteries
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/index.asp

+1

I think everyone knows about these guys

  

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i think now that we are seeing the next wave of high amp batteries… samsung 20r 25r, sony vtc4 vtc5, efest 35a, sony 50 26650, etc etc… the next thing I am interested in is going to be how each holds its voltage through a discharge curve.

I remember the sanyo 2600 18650 ur fm batteries were very good at holding a higher voltage and used them over many panasonic options for some time

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i think now that we are seeing the next wave of high amp batteries… samsung 20r 25r, sony vtc4 vtc5, efest 35a, sony 50 26650, etc etc… the next thing I am interested in is going to be how each holds its voltage through a discharge curve.

I remember the sanyo 2600 18650 ur fm batteries were very good at holding a higher voltage and used them over many panasonic options for some time


I believe HKJ has tested several of those type batteries and has discharge curve graphs

Like this, the purple 35A Efest (3 sizes 18350, 18500, 18650)

Quite decent discharge curve graph

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i will most certainly second the fact that LiPo amp ratings are tremendously over stated. my best packs are 70C continuous rated. they’re pretty stout packs even for their rating. though, i’d never put them through more than a 35C peak and expect them to survive and be healthy.

difference between these packs and maxcramps is when you peel the label off, the cell says 70C/140C. i think maxamps’ 150C packs are actually like 60C manufacturer rated cells IIRC.

i’d love to see some discharge curves on these new cells. they’re getting a little exposure here and there. mostly folks asking about them. with the specs, it would be nice to know if they perform the part.

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The C rating on Lipo’s can only really be taken as the ‘peak draw’ as in for a limited number of seconds and at a given temperature. Works well if you run cars, a little different if you run boats or aircraft since they are harder on all the electics. Since my pc died the other year I don’t have the data on file anymore but I have logged peak currents of up to 180 amps from some lipo’s. I even logged 170 amps for 6s2p A123 packs that were reclaimed cells from disfunctional dewalt packs.

I am a little interested to see the tested capacity of the above 26650 vs the sony 50a 26650. It’s like an extra 1/3 more capacity on spec.

  

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WarHawk-AVG wrote:
Sorry it’s a link to a vaping guy…but he gets TONS of sweet deals

He just posted this

http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2014/05/dominate-new-batteries-imren-40a-18...

There is a new set of batteries coming that promise to raise the bar in amperage. If this holds true we have a new monster battery on our hands. Depending on how the tests roll-out these may be the highest amperage 18650 and 26650 to date.

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Ok battery geeks and flash light junkies – have at it!

40A is continuous discharge current ?

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Send batteries for testing to user HKJ, till then, good luck.

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