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Battery Restriction Again? - [14 Apr 2015]

FT will not ship to places, other than these 2 zones via air mail.

Developments:
14 Apr 2015:
FT is able to ship via Sweden Post to my country, with estimate delivery date of 13-25 days now! You may want to check if Li-ION shipping is allowed to your country.

6 Aug 2014:
FT sending via Hong Kong Surface Mail.

3 Aug 2014:
Compensation through gift cards.
Gift cards for customers with orders affected by Malaysia post’s surface mail change

All your unused FT points will expired on 10 Oct 2014
Active Points will expire & auto-convert to a gift card on 10/10/2014

15 Jul 2014:
FT sending via Philippines Post
BG sending via Sweden Post

10 Jul 2014:

28 May 2014:
Was looking for a new batch of batteries and I saw this from WallBuy. Not again…

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Dear Customers,

Due to the restriction of China customs, we have to stop selling battery and liquid products temporarily.

For pending orders related to battery/liquid, we will ship them as possible as we can.
If we get your returned package from customs, we will contact you AT ONCE.
Sorry for the inconvenience it may cause.

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I just got a batch of DLG 14500 cells today from FastTech.

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Got some LG cells from FT today too. No issue with any of my previous battery orders from various places.

I mostly use BG, FT, and WB for battery orders.

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Yeah, when I read about battery restrictions, I immediately bought some Panasonic 3400s from FT :bigsmile:

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Any good deals right now for 18650? I still have some keeppower right now but I need a few high capacity protected cells.

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laptop batteries from american seller on ebay Big Smile
if you search enough, you can find 2600mAh samsung or 2200 mAh LG batteries for $10 :bigsmile:

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I bought 2 for around $18 from FT. I used to buy them from a seller on ebay who would sell them for 20.65/pair (got them in 2-3 days also) but he raised them to 22-23/pair.

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Applied BLF coupon at FT but it was not reflected in total. Anybody experience the same thing?

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freeme wrote:
Applied BLF coupon at FT but it was not reflected in total. Anybody experience the same thing? !http://i.imgur.com/gMhYm9x.jpg![/quote] I think if you try to get 3 or more then it will calculate the bulk rate price and this wil override the BLF coupon.

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Just ordered 2 sets of 3400 pannys and 3100 all shipped today from fasttech

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freeme wrote:
Applied BLF coupon at FT but it was not reflected in total. Anybody experience the same thing? !http://i.imgur.com/gMhYm9x.jpg![/quote]

I think it only applies to flashlights.

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I got the blf discount on my battery orders

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gouldy wrote:
I got the blf discount on my battery orders

Me too.
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The BLF discount applies for “light and battery products”. This would include all flashlights, batteries and flashlight parts etc.

The coupon code worked for me and was applied to all the batteries I ordered.

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I have bought LOTS of flashlight-related stuff from FT that the discount code didn't do squat for. For me, it works on so few items I don't even bother using it anymore.

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You are right. I ordered many time and now then I realized that. Flat Stare So it is different from BG calculation.

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freeme wrote:
Applied BLF coupon at FT but it was not reflected in total. Anybody experience the same thing? !http://i.imgur.com/gMhYm9x.jpg!

I think if you try to get 3 or more then it will calculate the bulk rate price and this wil override the BLF coupon.

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DayLighter wrote:
laptop batteries from american seller on ebay Big Smile
if you search enough, you can find 2600mAh samsung or 2200 mAh LG batteries for $10 :bigsmile:

Oh, 2600 samsung :bigsmile: where did you find those?


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Laptop Cells are good for personal usage. Bought 3 more packs of Pannys from FT for resale.

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Cautionary: much isn’t yet understood about lithium-ion (and the people making them aren’t disclosing how they’re made or tested)

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/2014/140522.html
—— quote——
… fire event showed evidence not just of an internal thermal runaway but that “unintended electrical interactions occurred among the cells, the battery case, and the electrical interfaces ….” …. there is no standardized thermal runaway test that’s conducted in the environment and conditions that would most accurately reflect how the battery would perform when installed and operated …. might not have adequately accounted for the hazards associated with internal short circuiting.

—-end quote——

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/28/ntsb-doesn-t-think-the-...

———quote——-
… deciding what the safety standards should be has become the pursuit of an ever-moving target. The more that lithium-ion battery technology develops, the more it appears that the battery industry doesn’t fully understand the ways in which the technology can fail.
A commonly-used euphemism for this phenomenon is that the technology “is not yet mature.”

… a two-day public hearing to track the history of lithium-ion battery development … was openly frustrated by the lack of information …. related to the composition of the membership …. developers and manufacturers of lithium-ion batteries who are … lawyered up and ready to invoke proprietary secrecy and intellectual property rights to protect themselves from competitors. This materially affects what can be revealed about the behavior of batteries during testing….

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Testing? What testing?
Just sell them to the electric-cigarette manufacturers.
Their customers will test them.
After all, what’s the worst that could happen?
They can’t be more dangerous than nicotine ….
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freeme wrote:
Applied BLF coupon at FT but it was not reflected in total. Anybody experience the same thing?

!http://i.imgur.com/gMhYm9x.jpg!


There are two different places you can enter a coupon code on FT. One when viewing the cart and one on check out irrc. Only one of the places actually works with the BLF coupon, but I forget which one.
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hank wrote:
Cautionary: much isn’t yet understood about lithium-ion (and the people making them aren’t disclosing how they’re made or tested)

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/2014/140522.html
—— quote——
… fire event showed evidence not just of an internal thermal runaway but that “unintended electrical interactions occurred among the cells, the battery case, and the electrical interfaces ….” …. there is no standardized thermal runaway test that’s conducted in the environment and conditions that would most accurately reflect how the battery would perform when installed and operated …. might not have adequately accounted for the hazards associated with internal short circuiting.

—-end quote——

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/28/ntsb-doesn-t-think-the-...

———quote——-
… deciding what the safety standards should be has become the pursuit of an ever-moving target. The more that lithium-ion battery technology develops, the more it appears that the battery industry doesn’t fully understand the ways in which the technology can fail.
A commonly-used euphemism for this phenomenon is that the technology “is not yet mature.”

… a two-day public hearing to track the history of lithium-ion battery development … was openly frustrated by the lack of information …. related to the composition of the membership …. developers and manufacturers of lithium-ion batteries who are … lawyered up and ready to invoke proprietary secrecy and intellectual property rights to protect themselves from competitors. This materially affects what can be revealed about the behavior of batteries during testing….

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Something smells fishy here. GS Yuasa li-ion batteries are used on satellites for over two decades without a single catastrophic failure but suddenly their test procedures are not satisfactory for NTSB ?!?

I still think that primary cause of problem was in battery management or wiring of batteries not the cells themselves.

And certainly not to mention (again) catastrophic choice of location for main and backup battery in airplane…

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Yuasa’s satellite web page says
“Our lithium ion cells have successfully completed several unique space qualification programs.”

That may be the difference right there — those cells aren’t the ones being sold cheap for consumer use.
Look at the detail they give: http://www.gsyuasa-lp.com/LSE-gen3

Looking at satellite batteries generally, those tests and failure modes are extensive (and published in many instances)
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=related:37twnQn_-F9fhM:scholar.goog...

I’d guess that “throwaway” electric nicotine dispensers use cheap cells and chargers, which we know have caused fires
(I doubt they get the appropriate warnings we see routinely on flashlight blogs, either, when people start using li-ion cells)

I don’t know which cells Boeing used — but since they’ve had several fires in the operational aircraft, and there are no reports that they had similar fires during testing as they designed and built the aircraft, something must be different.

“In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is …”

Ah, here’s a reason to look carefully at the manufacturing process — how clean it is and how carefully done:
http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i6/Assessing-Safety-Lithium-Ion-Batteries...

“Hazardous battery failure, including fires, can be triggered by a number of factors. For example, micrometer-sized metal particles generated during cutting, pressing, grinding, and other manufacturing steps could contaminate the cells. The particles could accumulate and eventually form a short circuit—a conductive contact between the anode and cathode. According to Barnett, experienced manufacturers today use scrupulously clean methods that minimize contamination and therefore that mode of failure…..”

That same ACS article also notes

“… lithium dendrites that grow through microscopic pores in the separator and bring the electrodes into direct electrical contact. That short circuit can cause the cells to discharge rapidly and generate a lot of heat.

Choosing a safe cathode is one key aspect of battery construction. But there are trade-offs. LiCoO2 cathodes developed in the early 1990s made Li-ion batteries the commercial success they are today. That material remains popular for consumer electronics because it provides relatively high charge capacity. Yet it is less stable than other cathode materials. At elevated temperatures, LiCoO2 liberates oxygen, which can react with organic cell ­components.

LiMn2O4 tolerates heat better than LiCoO2, but the manganese-based material’s charge capacity is lower, and it too decomposes at high temperature…..”

and ends with

“… meanwhile, NTSB investigators working on the JAL 787 case continue combing through electrical- and mass-measurement data and various types of imaging results, searching for the cause of the battery fire. “…. It’s taking some time, but it’s important we get it right.” Knudson adds that the agency will soon issue safety recommendations based on its findings.

The advanced state of today’s Li-ion battery safety and the broad push to drive safety to even higher levels leaves Battery Safety’s Doughty upbeat about the battery’s transportation prospects. “I’m bullish on Li-ion batteries for electric vehicles,” Doughty says, “provided the required safety analysis is completed rigorously.”

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Just had bangood order cancelled due to not shipping to Australia anymore

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same i said but i ordered torch with it if they restrict it i’ll have to cancel whole order.

weird i just get addicted to flashlight like in a blink of an eye.

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Would be interesting to hear what changed the policy, can only assume Aus Post is on to them sending batteries and has made issue about the safety declaration?

I have some Sony VTC5’s on the way, I hope they get through… not from BG though…

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Fasttech no longer ships batteries to Canada Sad I had some NCR18650PF’s paid for, but Fasttech support emailed me saying I can’t ship them via Malaysia post anymore.

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Temporary or permanent? My order was shipped within a day. I think they are also rushing to clear all their stocks.

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Fasttech no longer ships batteries to Canada Sad I had some NCR18650PF’s paid for, but Fasttech support emailed me saying I can’t ship them via Malaysia post anymore.

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Temporary or permanent? My order was shipped within a day. I think they are also rushing to clear all their stocks.
sirpaul wrote:
Fasttech no longer ships batteries to Canada Sad I had some NCR18650PF’s paid for, but Fasttech support emailed me saying I can’t ship them via Malaysia post anymore.

According to their shipping page, temporarily:

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Mine was shipped on the 26th, whats the odds they get through

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Mine was shipped on the 26th, whats the odds they get through

Last time the shipping ban happened, I had ordered a week beforehand and customs returned the shipped batteries back to Fasttech. Fasttech handled it very well, but I still wasted close to a month total waiting for the batteries to ship, return back to shipper after being denied, and then time to process my refund. Keep this in mind if you need batteries urgently (might be better to cancel and buy local).

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More is coming out that might make airlines stop carrying them until this gets sorted out.
All you’d need is one dodgy manufacturer cutting corners and some fires in warehouses or trucks to scare the airlines.
We don’t hear reports out of China — either they haven’t had problems like the US has, or they’re not being made public. From ‘oogle:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/05/passenger-flights-must-...
“… One witness said that during the development of the batteries “failures occur in ways that the designer never envisioned.” … asked if they could define failure, but nobody seemed able to because it occurred in so many different ways. One witness volunteered: “You’d better burn some batteries to know what they look like.” A picture emerged of a technology that was just too appealing to early adopters …. the development of the lithium-ion technology had been driven so hard and so fast that it had outpaced the ability of the FAA regulators to know at what point they could freeze the safety standards they were preparing in order to certify that the 787 was safe to fly.”

and a month ago:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/21/the-secret-far-deep-hun...
“… Malaysian officials have confirmed that a consignment of lithium-ion batteries was in the cargo hold of Flight MH370. “These are not regarded as dangerous goods,” said the CEO of Malaysian Airlines ….

… Originally, the Malaysians said that the battery consignment weighed 440 pounds. However, the manifest shows a far larger consignment weighing 5,400 pounds in total, alongside a warning that “a flammable hazard exists.” It has now emerged that the batteries were but one part of a consolidated package ….

and
“… the Federal Aviation Administration’s Office of Security and Hazardous Materials Safety keeps a list of incidents involving these batteries. They include:

The hands of a passenger on a Southwest Airlines flight burned when spare lithium-ion batteries for a cell phone melted the zip-top bag in which they were carried, breached the passenger’s carry-on bag and produced smoke and flames.

A package of 18 lithium-ion batteries melted through their plastic wrap and set fire to their outer package at the UPS flight center in Louisville, Kentucky.

A FedEx pilot was taking the jump seat in the cockpit of a flight from Memphis when a lithium-ion battery in a flashlight carried in his backpack caught fire while the airplane was still at the gate.

The FAA cautions that their published list of scores of incidents does not represent all the information collected ….”
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