Review of Lightscastle 12x ultrafire 7,200 lumen multiemitter. (WOW)

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Review of Lightscastle 12x ultrafire 7,200 lumen multiemitter. (WOW)

I'll just start off with the spoiler. It really is over 7,000 lumens. So if that is what you are looking for you can just skip the rest of the review. Not kidding guys this thing is amazingly bright. 

 

Light provided by Lightscastle for review. Non-affiliate link below. 

 

http://www.lightscastle.com/product/ultrafire-lw-12l2-cree-xm-l2-t6-7920...

 

This is their info on the light. 

Brand:UltraFire

Model:LW-12L2
Quantity:1
Material:Aluminum Alloy
Color:Grey+Silver
Emitter Brand: Cree
LED Type:XM-L
Emitter BIN: T6
Number of Emitters:12
Color BIN:Cool White
Working Voltage:7.2-12.8V
Power Supply:3*18650/3*26650
Current:2800mA
Theoretical Luminous:7920LM
Actual Luminous:7200LM
Runtime:2~3hrs
Number of Modes:5
Mode Arrangement:Hi>Mid>Low>Fast Strobe>SOS
Mode Memory:No
Switch Type:Reverse clicky
Switch Location:Tailcap
Lens:Glass
Reflector:Aluminum Smooth
Working Depth Underwater:300m
Strap/Clip:No
Other Features:Hard anodized
PackingList:1 x Flashlight
3 x Battery sleeves

Just to start with a few corrections. Although this light does have very nice O rings I still don't think it's possible that it can function at 300m underwater. And it does in fact have memory mode. Unfortunately it's next mode memory.

 

THE GOOD

It's unbelievably bright

Did I say it was bright?

The driver is a very simple FET model with really nothing to go wrong with it.

I like the finish a lot on this light.

The heatsinking is excellent with the large fins it conducts heat well and considering how many lumens this thing is pumping out it needs it.

Did I say it was bright? Well it is it's easily the 7,200 they claim. In fact with my Sony 30amp batteries it was close to 8,000 on startup and the 7,200 was right on the button with king kongs.

The beam pattern is super on this light. It has a ton of flood with no rings and it actually still has a decent hotspot too. 

Switch and springs are all good quality

All Led's well centered in their rings and on one large star that was held down with the correct amount of thermal paste. 

the emitters were all clean. 


THE BAD

Next Mode memory tops the list and is really the only thing I don't like about this light.

I could not run this light on protected batteries. The amp drain was so high that it popped the protection. I would really only recommend this light for really high quality high amp batteries. 


The Average.

Typical 5 modes with two of them being blinkies.  

Clear glass lens but not AR coated like higher end lights. But still it's very clear and came in clean. 

Reflector is on par with these lights. 

The led spacers are Good, not too high that they effect lumen output but could have been a tad lower I guess. 

Cool White Tint

 

MOD POTENTIAL

I think it would be possible to get rid of the next mode memory. The Star is removable so a person could de-dome the emitters if they wanted to. The wires could be replaced with heavier ones. Of course if a person wanted the emitters and star could be replaced with sinkpads and XM-L2's. Spring mods would also bump this light up a bit. Who knows it might even be possible to hit 10,000 lumens with this light. 

 

BACK STORY

 

Many of you have already asked me about this light and know that I have recommended it. Also this review is overdue because I was supposed to have been sent an XM-L2 version. Lightscastle's supplier dropped the ball on this twice. However I can see how it would be missed. The spacers are so tight that you can't see the green boards under the reflectors so it seems as if they are silver because all you get to see is the tiny silver that is apart of the emitter itself. Lightscastle fixed their listing on this so they are being sold correctly with the listing stating XML-T6 

 

CONCLUSSION

Buy this light if what you are looking for is a barn burner of light. This is by far the brightest stock light that I have owned and I have owned a bunch of multi-emitter lights including a 15x and other 12x's. It has a great beam profile and I am very picky about lights with ringy beams. The only real downfall is the next mode memory. If you can get past that buy this light. Outside of getting a modded up light there is nothing else that I know of that comes close to this light in pure power.  

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Finally! Thank you 18650. Smile

Doesn’t it have the “copper-braid mod” already as I read in somewhere?

I hope they have consistent quality and driver.

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Similar driver to the one Hypr got? Did you try the pencil mod on the capacitor?

Unless my eyes deceive me, I think I see a resistance mod on the spring in the last pic, stock?

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Wow, that’s a lot of lumens! Thanks for the review! ^^

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No spring mod on these. I now have three of them. Two from lightscastle and one off of e-bay. They all have the same driver. Pencil trick doesn't seem to work. 

 

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Ah well bummer. 7k lumens stock is noice. Smile

Next mode on a big light is especially annoying unfortunately.

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How big is that driver?  Looks like 22mm to me.

The low mode should be lower.

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leaftye wrote:

How big is that driver?  Looks like 22mm to me.

It’s 28mm.

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Come on LightsCastle, pony up a good coupon or something:)

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Sorry buddy.. not to rain your your parade, but I haven’t seen any stock light that can pump 7000+ lumens.. let alone 8000 lumens, how do you measure the out put? do you have light sphere? :bigsmile:

Good thing you get the light for free in exchange for review, as for me.. lightscastle is one of the “ no-no” list for overseas company.
I usually tried them all the companies known to BLF ( ok..most of them :bigsmile: ) and at least buy a budget light to test their shipping time, but unfortunately this company is one of those that will ship your package several days after you paid for the item(s) 7-9 days.. really? :Sp
in fact I still haven’t receive their brand bike light sale yet.. I’m giving them until the end of this week, which it will be 40 days since the day I paid for it to file with paypal.
I e-mailed them 3 times and all I get is.. don’t worry we shipped your light already, please wait for it Tired

btw.. how big is the head? any comparison shots between this light and your other multi emitter lights? Smile

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LEDs must be wired 3S4P, since it's not a boost driver and they don't list 2 cell use as an option. Replacing with a BLF-20DD might not increase the output but would give you a usable UI.

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Finally a review for this light. Thanx 18sixfifty! Do you think it’s the same light as this one at Fasttech which is cheaper? UltraFire LW-12L2 12*Cree XM-L2 T6 5-Mode 8800LM Cool White LED Flashlight

Any group buy for this one in the future? Wink

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Interested.

Are there any real world backyard beam shots of this light available or coming? Maybe down an airport runway or football stadium?

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MoZuKa wrote:
Finally a review for this light. Thanx 18sixfifty! Do you think it’s the same light as this one at Fasttech which is cheaper? UltraFire LW-12L2 12*Cree XM-L2 T6 5-Mode 8800LM Cool White LED Flashlight

Any group buy for this one in the future? Wink

The model you linked above clearly shows XM-L2 emitters in the gray color, the black version is still XM-L. Beam profile on FT looks smoother on older XM-L.
Interesting.

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FT - Should be the same light, but good luck getting XM-L2's as pictured and described... Maybe - do you feel lucky? Smile Cheaper here but only 8 left: amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT 12X, and listed as XML T6's.

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Time to contact Richard for a FET driver.  You'll get nicer modes from that, and all the lumens you expected.  I wouldn't buy that light without a driver swap.

The low mode should be lower.

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DayLighter wrote:
Just got it delivered today from Amazon.. unfortunately it waaaaaaay far from 7000 lumens, my TR-J18 4000+ lumens is brighter than this.. SMH Flat Stare I feel like a sucker for buying this light based on the good review.. probably my fault buying this light without looking at any comparison beam shots with other multiple LEDs. Lesson learned.. next time never buy any light without the beam shots no matter how good the review is.. |(
Interesting...does yours have the exact same driver? Also, what cells are you using?
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26650 KKs but when I switched to Sony VT it’s slightly brighter but still far from 7000 lumens I was hoping for :_(

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Interesting…I have the 9T6 version of this light and its consumes approx 76 watts based on tail cap current, which surprised me for a cheap unmoded light. It is very impressive but gets warm quick.

My Ultrafire 9T6 uses about 55 watts. There is a noticeable difference in brightness. (Ultrafire 9T6 still quite good though) I suspect the lights in question (like the one in the above review) are driven a bit harder out of the box.

I also have an Ultrafire 15T6 (about 30 watts) and it was just pathetic. But i recently realised i did not test it with Keepower 26650s just Keygos 26650 IMR which seem a bit suspect so will have to report back on that one.

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DayLighter wrote:
26650 KKs but when I switched to Sony VT it's slightly brighter but still far from 7000 lumens I was hoping for :_(
What about the driver? 
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I have one of these on order as well from Lightscastle ,they sent me the LW-9T6 version first time by mistake which I ended up buying at discount to get them to send the LW-12L2 one out
The LW-9T6 has XML T6 LED’s not XML2 T6 the LW-12L2 version has, as does the Amazon SUPERNIGHT version.

The LW-9T6 was still bright though compared to my Fandyfire Warrior with resistor mod, it was much brighter, just hoping they have sent the correct one this time!!

The LW-9T6 also has the next mode memory which was annoying, I used it with Trustfire flame 5000mah 26650 batteries(protected and 4675mah according to my Opus BT-C3100) and they didn’t trip out on full so if they do with the LW-12L2 I’ll need more batteries |(

First one ordered 6th May came 21st May ,second one then sent 29th May and I’m still waiting for it

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DayLighter wrote:
Just got it delivered today from Amazon.. unfortunately it waaaaaaay far from 7000 lumens, my TR-J18 4000+ lumens is brighter than this.. SMH Flat Stare I feel like a sucker for buying this light based on the good review.. probably my fault buying this light without looking at any comparison beam shots with other multiple LEDs. Lesson learned.. next time never buy any light without the beam shots no matter how good the review is.. |(

My bad - I was the one that posted the Amazon link. Sounds like a different driver than the LightCastle version. We don't know now if old/new batch's or good/bad batch's, or if Amazon's version is simply built differently than the LightCastle version, or you got a single piece klunker. Beam shot compares won't help if it's a different version.

Wait -- the amazon listing clearly states it won't work with protected batteries. Is that true with yours? If it works, you got some false advertising issue then, so can dispute the product. I would think Amazon and PayPal has some protection against false advertising? I'd pursue it if I were you by first directly asking the vendor.

Also, does it have next mode memory, like 18sixfifty's?

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THE BAD

Next Mode memory tops the list and is really the only thing I don’t like about this light.

I could not run this light on protected batteries. The amp drain was so high that it popped the protection. I would really only recommend this light for really high quality high amp batteries.

Is there any way of removing the PCB on the batteries if it trips them or is it a case or replacing them?

If I need to replace them what are a good set of batteries to get ? up to $10 each?

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I tried it with protected Panasonic 3400mAh, it works sporadically.. but with KK or Sony VT it works wonderful and it has next mode memory

edit : I forgot to charge the batteries before I put them in, now it’s much brighter.. between all my multiple LEDs light, this light is definitely the brightest one :bigsmile:
but as for 7000 lumens? I need to bring this to Tom E to check it out as he has a light sphere to test this out

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DayLighter wrote:
I tried it with protected Panasonic 3400mAh, it works sporadically.. but with KK or Sony VT it works wonderful and it has next mode memory *edit* : I forgot to charge the batteries before I put them in, now it's much brighter.. between all my multiple LEDs light, this light is definitely the brightest one :bigsmile: but as for 7000 lumens? I need to bring this to Tom E to check it out as he has a light sphere to test this out !http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/12/1258c3a51578edf7fa5e147b1414d8caba499cef0...

Ahhh - +1 Smile. No prob, bring it over. I'd like to see it anyway. We can also compare it head to head to my resistor modded 9X and hot J18's.

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DayLighter wrote:
I tried it with protected Panasonic 3400mAh, it works sporadically.. but with KK or Sony VT it works wonderful and it has next mode memory edit : I forgot to charge the batteries before I put them in, now it’s much brighter.. between all my multiple LEDs light, this light is definitely the brightest one :bigsmile: but as for 7000 lumens? I need to bring this to Tom E to check it out as he has a light sphere to test this out

Ahhh – +1 Smile. No prob, bring it over. I’d like to see it anyway. We can also compare it head to head to my resistor modded 9X and hot J18’s.


for sure testing it with light meter and shining the light to the ceiling.. it’s brighter than my Niwalker Nova MM15 Smile

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I note that the 15x version on Amazon is a four 18650 or 26650 battery light. Has any one taken a look at it yet? Must be a pretty long light, getting into the six D cell Mag-Lite category.

http://www.amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT-Flashlight-Bright-Battery-Waterproof/dp...

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We need a group buy on this light, somebody bring it! Double thanks!

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I bought that supernight 15LEDs awhile back.. my advise is save your money and just get that grey 12 LEDs .. Laughing

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Well I finally got the batteries in mine (I bought the 12T6 grey one off of Amazon that DayLighter listed) and this thing is SUPER BRIGHT. Insane! The modes suck horribly but not unfixable.

How long does it take your lights to heat up so hot you cant touch it? The very top of the head heats up within about 15 seconds on high and the tube is scalding within about 2 to 3 minutes on high. I’ve never had a 12 emitter light before, and I understand that they are supposed to get hot but dang!

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Yourrid wrote:
Well I finally got the batteries in mine (I bought the 12T6 grey one off of Amazon that DayLighter listed) and this thing is SUPER BRIGHT. Insane! The modes suck horribly but not unfixable.

How long does it take your lights to heat up so hot you cant touch it? The very top of the head heats up within about 15 seconds on high and the tube is scalding within about 2 to 3 minutes on high. I’ve never had a 12 emitter light before, and I understand that they are supposed to get hot but dang!

I cant touch to the top of the head after 45 seconds on the one 18650 modded lol.

i dont care if i blow up some emitters, then ill upgrade to xml2/noctigons Smile

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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