What budget light is this...1 AA throws well and is small?

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What budget light is this...1 AA throws well and is small?

Which budget light am I describing (if any)? Small, light weight, uses 1 AA and throw is my only concern. I don't want a flood-to-throw type of light. If it's throw only it's OK if it uses an aspheric lens.

I'd like only 1 mode and it would probably use a XR-E R2 and be driven as hard as possible. I wouldn't be using it for long at a time. I will be using lithium primaries and sometimes alkaline primaries. No crenalated bezels.

I know throw is a relative term and that I get more throw with a larger diameter reflector but for this particular purpose that's not convenient so basically I want a light that could be worn around the neck necklace style using 1 AA primary battery. Most of the time I will be using a headlamp and when that doesn't have enough throw I will use this light momentarily until its no longer needed.

So, are there any budget SMO, hard driven XR-E R2 single AA lights out there with a smooth bezel?

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I think a light that small is what it is ,, you can't make it something it ain't .im assuming you've seen what a small AA r2 will do .That's as much throw as you're gonna get .I'm usually surprised how much that is . for a flashlight a q3 .q5 r2 is a lot of throw  without the big reflector you've seen it already ..Budget or not ,i don't think it exists ..I'm more than interested what people will say

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I may not have seen it (that's why I posted) as I only have one single AA light and haven't really looked at them too closely.

I do have a Photon Proton Pro that uses a XP-E I think but it's only driven to produce an output of 100 lumens or so. It does have a SMO reflector. That's what I'm comparing whatever responses I get to. Something the size of a Proton Pro that throws somewhat further. It could easily be driven twice as hard. It could be driven twice as hard and use an optic instead and it would throw quite a bit further. I just don't know of anything like that but then again I haven't looked all that hard.

I thought that maybe the 1 AA sub-forum of the Budget Lights Forum might be a good place to start Smile

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A 1xAA that throws - I have to ask , compared to what ?  

A XR-E Emitter it has to be , other than that ? my Tank007 Tk-566 has a nice hotspot .

The Uniquefire G10 has a nicely focused hotspot [ XP-G R5 ] - but ?? on 14500 - if you stick to AA should be fine . 

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A 1xAA that throws - I have to ask , compared to what ?  

A XR-E Emitter it has to be , other than that ? my Tank007 Tk-566 has a nice hotspot .

The Uniquefire G10 has a nicely focused hotspot [ XP-G R5 ] - but ?? on 14500 - if you stick to AA should be fine . 

Compared to all other 1 AA's.

I'm taking about throw not nicely focused hotspots. It will need to be a XR-E or XP-E to have the greatest surface brightness (for the emitter). It will need to be driven as hard as practical (which will also increase the surface brightness) then either SMO reflector or even more efficient (for the hotspot which is all that matters here) would be an aspheric lens. The diameter can't increases beyond a certain point or it's not a "small 1 AA light".

Those are the only variables. Who does that best?

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http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sacredfire-nf-007-cree-p4-wc-110-lumen-led-flashlight-1-aa-1-aaa-1-cr123a-20756

 

I ran my lights past the light meter , and the 1xAA dont have much throw , I can only say the UniqueFire G10 has a nice focused hotspot .

The light linked to throws nuts on a RCR123A , its weak on a AA , but it might run better with a XR-E R2 and a better AA driver . [ Mod ] 

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The romisen rc-29 is zoom and has the highest draw of any aa light I own (3A), so presumably it should be about as bright as possible w/ that setup. The MrLite BLF special had a TIR which was very well focused and also has similar throw even on somewhat less draw (~2A).

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Let's include flood-to-throw then but I want to make sure there are no fixed aspheric single AA models...is that correct?

So, I've read about the Sipik SK68. That one seems smaller that many of the others especially compared to an old X2000 I had (too bulky).

I know there are many lights in this category but I don't have any experience with them and some of you do. The Sipik looks ugly as far as the bezel. I think there is a C78 that has a smoother bezel and is still slender but I think it has holes punched in the bezel (what is that about)?

Is there a fairly small, slender ONE mode flood-to-throw XR-E that can handle a 14500 and where the sliding mechanism is fairly smooth. Twisting would be even better.

I have no interest in the flood setting. Basically I just want a small light with no spill that throws well for something in that small size and that uses either 1 AA or (1) 14500. 

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Dude, you were bitching about this thread in the other one, even though you got good advice from folks who own a bunch of these lights.

If you don't want reflector, the romisen g2 is one of the best throwers in the category, because it has a big head.

If you don't want to buy the MrLite, which does have the best throw of all of these, I think there was one other TIR AA light on DX.

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agenthex wrote:

Dude, you were bitching about this thread in the other one, even though you got good advice from folks who own a bunch of these lights.

If you don't want reflector, the romisen g2 is one of the best throwers in the category, because it has a big head.

If you don't want to buy the MrLite, which does have the best throw of all of these, I think there was one other TIR AA light on DX.

Why don't you either actually read my posts in detail or refrain from commenting?

Is there a Sipik without the ugly crenelated bezel? How is the C78 in terms of throw build quality modes?

Do you know of a slender one mode flood to throw. I'm not looking for flood, TIR, reflector, 3 modes, crazy tail and bezel edges. 

It appears to me you are the one who is bitching.

Most of the earlier comments were basically telling me I didn't want what I want.

I decided to use the group experience with flood-to-throw to see if there might be one of those that fits my needs if there isn't a  fixed model.

Unless you are the group then your comments aren't particularly adding anything constructive to this discussion. 

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The people who answered your post probably have some of the most lights of anyone here, not someone who just bought one and was impressed with it. Your requirements are basically incompatible. Small head and throw don't go together. High power and primary don't go together. TIR optics are the best you can do, so I have no idea why you rule them out (along with reflector...) even though right at the top you said you wanted a reflector design. If you'd only do a search, you'd find that I rather like the c78, but it's also a big head, so cross that off your list.

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The best 1xaa reflector type thrower I know from all the various testing on different sites that I've seen is the R2 version of the ITP SA1. However, it is not very compact for a 1xaa light. It is also at the very high end of the budget category (depending on your definition). They don't make the R2 version anymore so you pretty much just need to find old stock at some dealers. Shiningbeam is one:

http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/the-185/ITP-SA1-Eluma-Cree/Detail

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agenthex wrote:

The people who answered your post probably have some of the most lights of anyone here, not someone who just bought one and was impressed with it. Your requirements are basically incompatible. Small head and throw don't go together. High power and primary don't go together. TIR optics are the best you can do, so I have no idea why you rule them out (along with reflector...) even though right at the top you said you wanted a reflector design. If you'd only do a search, you'd find that I rather like the c78, but it's also a big head, so cross that off your list.

I've noticed that in general the people who tell me something can't be done aren't the ones who offer meaningful solutions.

I posted elsewhere that I want to diffuse the edge of a beam but leave some hotspot. The first posts were from those telling me it couldn't be done because the harsh cut-off was from the shape of the head/bezel.

Yet, I managed to find a way to diffuse that sharp cut-off and retain some throw (which was what I was looking for).

In this thread I asked for the best throw in a single AA light. So what responses did it get..."Throw...compared to what?". Compared to the best AA thrower of course. 

You are telling me that what I'm looking for are at odds with each other. I'm not looking for ultimate throw or I wouldn't be taking about a single AA in a small body would I?  High power and primary don't go together...again we are talking about being driven hard for a single AA.

TIR optics aren't the best I can do if I'm looking for no spill. Aspherics are the best I can do. That is actually what I plan on using. The other comments that I made were just to alleviate some of the negative comments and to try to get more suggestions that I could investigate and keep or eliminate.

I did look into some of the lights suggested and I appreciate those suggestions. Many however had nothing to do with my post. 

Your posts are mainly to shut me up and nothing else. 

I will find a single AA one mode XR-E light from some source such as DX that is able to be taken apart and I will put a 14500 in it and it will be driven hard "for a single AA sized light". It will be slender and light weight so it can be used for climbing/hiking where weight and size is an issue. It may take awhile but I will find a small aspheric that will fit that light.

If someone else who thinks along these same lines reads this thread/post then I may get some helpful suggestions that speed up the process. Or in the future if someone else is looking to do this after I succeed and report back they may find this thread helpful to them.

In any event I will have a slender (body and head)  1 AA form light with no spill, decent throw for spotting and you'll still be telling me it can't be done. 

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SirJohn wrote:

The best 1xaa reflector type thrower I know from all the various testing on different sites that I've seen is the R2 version of the ITP SA1. However, it is not very compact for a 1xaa light. It is also at the very high end of the budget category (depending on your definition). They don't make the R2 version anymore so you pretty much just need to find old stock at some dealers. Shiningbeam is one:

http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/the-185/ITP-SA1-Eluma-Cree/Detail

Thanks. I may look at some of Shingingbeams lights just to see if some can be modified as I described in my post above. At least I could get it quicker than a DX light. If I have to get an aspheric lens from China however I might as well get it all from there including cheap 14500 batteries I guess. I'll check them out though. 

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agenthex wrote:

The people who answered your post probably have some of the most lights of anyone here, not someone who just bought one and was impressed with it. Your requirements are basically incompatible. Small head and throw don't go together. High power and primary don't go together. TIR optics are the best you can do, so I have no idea why you rule them out (along with reflector...) even though right at the top you said you wanted a reflector design. If you'd only do a search, you'd find that I rather like the c78, but it's also a big head, so cross that off your list.

I've noticed that in general the people who tell me something can't be done aren't the ones who offer meaningful solutions.

I posted elsewhere that I want to diffuse the edge of a beam but leave some hotspot. The first posts were from those telling me it couldn't be done because the harsh cut-off was from the shape of the head/bezel.

Yet, I managed to find a way to diffuse that sharp cut-off and retain some throw (which was what I was looking for).

In this thread I asked for the best throw in a single AA light. So what responses did it get..."Throw...compared to what?". Compared to the best AA thrower of course. 

You are telling me that what I'm looking for are at odds with each other. I'm not looking for ultimate throw or I wouldn't be taking about a single AA in a small body would I?  High power and primary don't go together...again we are talking about being driven hard for a single AA.

TIR optics aren't the best I can do if I'm looking for no spill. Aspherics are the best I can do. That is actually what I plan on using. The other comments that I made were just to alleviate some of the negative comments and to try to get more suggestions that I could investigate and keep or eliminate.

I did look into some of the lights suggested and I appreciate those suggestions. Many however had nothing to do with my post. 

Your posts are mainly to shut me up and nothing else. 

I will find a single AA one mode XR-E light from some source such as DX that is able to be taken apart and I will put a 14500 in it and it will be driven hard "for a single AA sized light". It will be slender and light weight so it can be used for climbing/hiking where weight and size is an issue. It may take awhile but I will find a small aspheric that will fit that light.

If someone else who thinks along these same lines reads this thread/post then I may get some helpful suggestions that speed up the process. Or in the future if someone else is looking to do this after I succeed and report back they may find this thread helpful to them.

In any event I will have a slender (body and head)  1 AA form light with no spill, decent throw for spotting and you'll still be telling me it can't be done. 

The constraints noted above are ones of physics. If you want someone to blame, blame god instead. Frankly it's confusing wth you're looking for because in the OP you wanted throw but looking for reflectors, then aspherics were ok, now they're the only thing you can accept.

I mean, you asked for answers, you received some decent one from people who own dozens of these, and yet you still complain about how BLF is terrible because you're not getting help. I noted this and you complain some more about me. Looks like you're only looking to shut others up, so why should anyone assist you?

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you might want to reconsider TIR optics.  a plain finish, tight angle TIR does a pretty good job of putting a lot of light in a small spot.  some of the really tight ones give you very little spill and over 90% efficiency with an XR-E.  plus, if you DIY, it'll probably be easier getting one cheap that can fit a AA flashlight.  installation will probably be more complicated though.

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robostud5000 wrote:

you might want to reconsider TIR optics.  a plain finish, tight angle TIR does a pretty good job of putting a lot of light in a small spot.  some of the really tight ones give you very little spill and over 90% efficiency with an XR-E.  plus, if you DIY, it'll probably be easier getting one cheap that can fit a AA flashlight.  installation will probably be more complicated though.

Hey Robo, yeah I don't have a problem with the right TIR but unless it's in the right host already it's probably beyond my skills to make it fit.

The rough and dirty plan of the moment (subject to change) is an Ultrafire S10 single mode. It should drive the XR-E R2 hard with a 14500. There are some 22mm aspheric  glass lenses on DX. I don't have access to a bench grinder anymore but I should be able to figure out some way to grind one down to 20 mm to fit the S10. There is some indication from a reviewer that the back focal length is approximately 25mm. 

I don't know how that works out with the S10. I can try to guess from the photo's before I would actually order. If someone on here has a S10 and can guess that would be helpful as well.

I would also grind the bezel down flat.

Obviously if I can find a better host, better aspherics that don't require any grinding I would rather do that. 

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Trustfire S-A2 is the best AA thrower I have seen. I don't own a zoom torch so I can't compare to those but as far as conventional optics go it is the best I've seen.The S-A2 has a small, very focused hotspot. Also the Skyray S-A1is a very good torch. Both of these have multiple modes though. The Trustfire always starts on high with no memory and throws a bit better so it might be a better choice for you.
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To follow up with this thread...the answer for me was two-fold. Ultrafire BJO8A (single AA) XR-E using 14500 (brighter) or AA and an aspheric from a Sipik SK68 with an added forward clicky.

I also made a second version with a TIR that I already had in place of the aspheric using the same Ultrafire light and all the other changes.

It's bright, it throws, the head is no bigger than the body, it's small and easy to carry and yet the laws of physics are still intact Smile

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any pics? interested to see it...

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any pics? interested to see it...

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/3691

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gcbryan wrote:

To follow up with this thread...the answer for me was two-fold. Ultrafire BJO8A (single AA) XR-E using 14500 (brighter) or AA and an aspheric from a Sipik SK68 with an added forward clicky.

I also made a second version with a TIR that I already had in place of the aspheric using the same Ultrafire light and all the other changes.

It's bright, it throws, the head is no bigger than the body, it's small and easy to carry and yet the laws of physics are still intact Smile

 

Dude, all you did was replicate the SK68 and MrLite: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/3230#comment-51787, that and violated your own rule about AA primaries and "but I want to make sure there are no fixed aspheric single AA models..."

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agenthex wrote:

gcbryan wrote:

To follow up with this thread...the answer for me was two-fold. Ultrafire BJO8A (single AA) XR-E using 14500 (brighter) or AA and an aspheric from a Sipik SK68 with an added forward clicky.

I also made a second version with a TIR that I already had in place of the aspheric using the same Ultrafire light and all the other changes.

It's bright, it throws, the head is no bigger than the body, it's small and easy to carry and yet the laws of physics are still intact Smile

 

Dude, all you did was replicate the SK68 and MrLite: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/3230#comment-51787, that and violated your own rule about AA primaries and "but I want to make sure there are no fixed aspheric single AA models..."

Your bed doesn't have a good side does it? Smile

This light (which no one else recommended) is an AA light. I gambled that 14500 would work. I made it an aspheric since no one knew of a fixed aspheric single AA (I also made one version a TIR). I had an end use in mind. I didn't have as many "rules" as you seem to suggest in your literal reading of my posts.

This isn't a SK68 because it has better heatsinking abilities, doesn't "slide", doesn't have sharp edges and is well made...that's not the SK68.

It's what I suggested from the beginning when you suggested that physics wouldn't allow what I was after. Several others seem to be interested in this light as well now. I never suggested I was reinventing the wheel. I was ready to buy the wheel if it existed as I wanted it.

Dude.

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Well, since what you're after is largely arbitrary (and in hindsight seemed to be pretty flexible despite all the groaning about the recommendations), I suppose you could always claim to be inerrant. That which isn't falsifiable isn't in the realm of the sciences in the first places.



I was ready to buy the wheel if it existed as I wanted it.

The MrLite is pretty much exactly what you ended up with. A cylinder w/ a TIR at one end that's probably even brighter on that 14500. Really nice 5kK tint, too.

I was just pointing out the irony of dismissing what everyone said and then proclaiming individual victory at the end after laboring to replicate their suggestions. A lessor man would be claiming "told you so" right now. IOW, I'm not angry or gloating, just amused.

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Well, since what you're after is largely arbitrary (and in hindsight seemed to be pretty flexible despite all the groaning about the recommendations), I suppose you could always claim to be inerrant. That which isn't falsifiable isn't in the realm of the sciences in the first places.



I was ready to buy the wheel if it existed as I wanted it.

The MrLite is pretty much exactly what you ended up with. A cylinder w/ a TIR at one end that's probably even brighter on that 14500. Really nice 5kK tint, too.

I was just pointing out the irony of dismissing what everyone said and then proclaiming individual victory at the end after laboring to replicate their suggestions. A lessor man would be claiming "told you so" right now. IOW, I'm not angry or gloating, just amused.

Glad that I could bring a smile to your face. Good to see that you don't consider yourself a lessor or even a lesser man.

I didn't dismiss what everyone said no matter how many times you repeat this. The comments I made in another post initially were because initially I was getting no responses or no helpful responses. After that post is when the suggestions came. You know this however since I've pointed this out before (you're not a politician are you?).

I did check out Mr.Lite and all the others. I was looking for single mode and a smooth cylindrical shape and initially (and ultimately) an aspheric but I made a TIR model as well.

The irony is that you bother to post when you have nothing constructive to add.

By the way, I posted as a follow-up. People in the future will search (all) threads and someone who was interested in the same things I was may have drawn the wrong conclusion had I not bothered to follow up with what I ended up doing.

I know it drives me crazy when I search posts on a certain subject and then the thread just stops with no resolution.

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The aspheric doesn't throw any better than the TIR.



The comments I made in another post initially were because initiallyI was getting no responses or no helpful responses. After that post is when the suggestions came.

That reply linked above which essentially answered the question was 4hr after the initial post. I'm not sure what the expectation here was.

 

The problem seems to be that you dinn't consider what others might construe to be interesting or useful as "constructive". I suppose that's your right, but it's also mine to observe this. You could've gotten more or less what you were looking for by simply following the advice in post #6, but instead elected to act all recalcitrant for a dozen post until you ended up in the exact same place anyway. It doesn't really matter since it's a forum designed for discussion, but poor behavior should be pointed out so as to be avoided in the future. We all make mistakes, but I cop to mine, like expecting a sane reply to advice in the first place.

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agenthex wrote:

The aspheric doesn't throw any better than the TIR.



The comments I made in another post initially were because initiallyI was getting no responses or no helpful responses. After that post is when the suggestions came.

That reply linked above which essentially answered the question was 4hr after the initial post. I'm not sure what the expectation here was.

 

The problem seems to be that you dinn't consider what others might construe to be interesting or useful as "constructive". I suppose that's your right, but it's also mine to observe this. You could've gotten more or less what you were looking for by simply following the advice in post #6, but instead elected to act all recalcitrant for a dozen post until you ended up in the exact same place anyway. It doesn't really matter since it's a forum designed for discussion, but poor behavior should be pointed out so as to be avoided in the future. We all make mistakes, but I cop to mine, like expecting a sane reply to advice in the first place.

You're not a stalker are you?

I have two lights that are exactly the same except that I've put a TIR in one and an apsheric in the other. The aspheric is brighter than the center beam of the TIR and therefore it should throw further and does.

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Unfortunately, had you actually gotten the Mr.Lite, you would've ended up with a light which has a sharper and more concentrated focus than what's possible from the sk68 aspheric. But heaven forbid paying attention to advice which you asked for.

It's also notable that members who reply to threads get auto-notified of comments, so there's no need to feel self-important about getting replies to your comments.

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is the Mr. Lite still available anywhere?  5kK tint and TIR sound like what i'm looking for.

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I don't know if the BLF edition is still available, but it's largely the same thing as this http://lightake.com/detail.do/sku.MrLite_J4_XR_E_R2_4_Mode_180_Lumens_LED_Flashlight_Silver_(1xAA)-33098

Review:

http://www.jayki.com/11435

 

I'm not sure if the tint in the one I got was good luck or what, but old5470 did note that the tint in the silver one he got is slightly warmer than usual. I'd say it's maybe closer to 5.5kK, but definitely not as cool as any of my CW lights; it's quite pleasant IMO.

The main issue I had to "fix" with the light was the metal button which rattles slightly, but that's mostly a cosmetic issue. The beam is incredibly tight for a AA light.

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BTW, the img host old used seems to be down. The one wall beamshot that's still up (which seems to show the f20 more focused) is misleading since the minimal corona on the J4 is already saturated in the photo. The beam it outputs is actually a very sharply defined circle, as if those two beamshots are swapped.

I have the black one. You can probably find more impressions of it on this forum since there was long thread leading up to it and a lot of people got it.
http://lightake.com/detail.do/sku.MrLite_J4_XR_E_R2_9_Mode_180_Lumens_LE...(1xAA)-33007 

However, if you're looking for functional throw in a smallish light, the romisen g2 is going to be similar least not much worse, even with the OP reflector, simply because it has a much bigger head.

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