Oh god, why ganzo don't know how make a locking system!!!!

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Oh god, why ganzo don't know how make a locking system!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGpQYsNz7w&feature=player_detailpage#t=526

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D0rHBTPhydc#t=209

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLrnQ818hw&feature=player_detailpage#t=900

And be care with low priced new ganzo models, i saw videos (i can¡t found it now) and only twisting/pushing the handle it can move the liner lock…

I have three ganzos and i like their (copied) designs very much but i don’t know why they don’t test its axis lock designs (again (bad) copied).

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That why I don’t feel secure with axis lock, you can’t see if it lock properly. You can fix the linear lock if it is too loose by bending it on the other side.
The safest is a flipper with a guard on your hand so even if the lock mechanism fail it won’t cut your fingers, like the great enlan EL-01.

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That why I don’t feel secure with axis lock, you can’t see if it lock properly. You can fix the linear lock if it is too loose by bending it on the other side. The safest is a flipper with a guard on your hand so even if the lock mechanism fail it won’t cut your fingers, like the great enlan EL-01.

But you can see the lock with axis lock, you must see the engage of the bar above the blade, if that engage is poor the lock is unsecure. I can see on all my axis lock the amount of steel engaged.
in my case:

Ganzo g710: poor engage.
Ganzo g704/g712: acceptable but not great, at least the bar is deeper on the blade .
Enlan el04: A lot of steel engaging. (but the mechanism is not smooth at all, but al least is secure).

I think the phrase: “the bar is deeper on the blade” is the key in this. And the axis lock is one of the most secure lock in the world IF IT’S WELL MADE.

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And the axis lock is one of the most secure lock in the world

Don’t know about this statement… Every locks have its weakness and can never be as solid as a fixed blade. Yes you can see on the back of the knife but its not easy and obvious. My ganzo G712 feel secure (pushing it backward and it didn’t budge) but I think its because the spring is stiff and that’s only a very soft test.

If you want something more secure it should have multiple locking security like the real steel E77 flipper : linear lock, finger guard and you can put something in the hole of the blade to make it fixed.

Have you tried Sanrenmu 763 ? Many claim its the best axis lock knife for the money, even better than benchmade.

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Maybe you should title this thread “ Why Ganzo don’t know how to COPY a locking system” .

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And the axis lock is one of the most secure lock in the world

Don’t know about this statement… Every locks have its weakness and can never be as solid as a fixed blade. Yes you can see on the back of the knife but its not easy and obvious. My ganzo G712 feel secure (pushing it backward and it didn’t budge) but I think its because the spring is stiff and that’s only a very soft test.

If you want something more secure it should have multiple locking security like the real steel E77 flipper : linear lock, finger guard and you can put something in the hole of the blade to make it fixed.

Have you tried Sanrenmu 763 ? Many claim its the best axis lock knife for the money, even better than benchmade.

No, i haven’t tried the srm 763, i don’t like very much small blades. Yes there are some folders with various locks, the harnds blazer or the srm t21 for example.
And yes, the axis lock is considered one of the best lock systems in the world. From i saw the triad lock from cold steel and the frame lock of zero tolerance can be the most secure of the planet, and the axis lock of benchmade too. Probably tri ad lock is the first one.
Really the amount of cilinder that put on the blade i think is key on axis lock. And that’s for what the g711 fails.

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LAB wrote:
Maybe you should title this thread “ Why Ganzo don’t know how to COPY a locking system” .

May be may be… :bigsmile:

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YOU CAN EASILY KILL SOMEONE UNINTENTIONALLY!!
AND THEN CALLS THE CHINESE TO GO TO JAIL IN YOUR PLACE!

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MichaelKnight- wrote:
YOU CAN EASILY KILL SOMEONE UNINTENTIONALLY!! AND THEN CALLS THE CHINESE TO GO TO JAIL IN YOUR PLACE!

Is that some sort of game where you have to re-arrange the words to make a sentence that makes sense?

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I like the Axis lock, it can be a secure lock if it is made correctly, the Ganzo’s in the videos need either the slots that the bolt runs in elongated or machined further forward or more metal on the tang of the knife.
I have a Ganzo G712 that has decent enough lock-up, secure with the bolt moving 2-3mm onto the tang of the blade, the bolt is just about at the end of it’s travel but not quite.
I have a SanRenMu LB-763, superb Axis copy.
I have an Enlan EL-04MCT with a very good Axis copy.
I have a SanRenMu/Land 6261, very good Axis copy

The problems with quality control on Ganzo knives are the reason that I probably won’t buy any more, xatu has had trouble with the pivot and lock-up on his and although I have no problem with my G712, I have had problems with one of the cheaper Ganzo’s – the G620. I have a Ganzo slip-joint ordered though, and a G706 twin bladed plain and serrated knife – with the oversize pivot that I very seldom use.

It is crazy that the company that copies Benchmade models so closely has the worst record for Axis lock problems.

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Come on people. You can’t expect too much from a cheap-ass $10 chinese knife.

Yes, I own one! But it is a cheap-ass chinese knife and nothing more.

       
       
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The axis lock is good in my G710 sample, but it sounds like many are not. :~

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Come on people. You can’t expect too much from a cheap-ass $10 chinese knife.

Yes, I own one! But it is a cheap-ass chinese knife and nothing more.

No IMO. I think there are gems in enlan/srm that are very good in the range of 7 – 16$. My enlans and srm could cost 3 times more. But the quality control in ganzos are other thing.

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Chloe wrote:
The axis lock is good in my G710 sample, but it sounds like many are not. :~

My G710 is incredible smooth but i can see with my eyes how it engages not much lock bar on the blade, however i can’t close with my hands (without unlocking).
My G712 is not as smooth and both pivot screws were with a hard glue. It engages a bit more than my G710
My G704 is not as smooth as G710 but it is quite smooth (without pivot screws problems, i can adjust it) and the lock is like the G712 but… i can see how the lock bar is not straight perfectly like G712 and G710…

3 models of ganzos with axis lock and 3 different behaviors. That is the key, why ganzo can’t make its axis lock exactly equal in G704, G710, G712 (and because i haven’t got more ganzos… but in the videos you can see how it’s the thing!). Ganzo could be my favorite brand due to its (copied) designs but its quality control is worst (a lot) than srm and enlan for sure for me. And the ganzo finish is worst too, with that sharp liners than it doesn’t exist in enlan/srm (for me it isn’t important that, but yes the problems above).

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Never had a liner lock fail, dont see any point in looking for another mechanism.

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I’ve just tested my brand new G702-G and it passed the spine-whack test without any problem (I used an old wooden chair for the test).

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Same here with my Ganzo G704.
I try the same spine-whack test against a table.
Then I hold the knife firmly in a vice and hit it with a wooden stick in the spine.
Amazing knife. It passed the test perfectly.

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I just can’t get why anyone would try a potentially destructive test on a perfectly good knife. If you examine the lock and it looks like it won’t stay engaged then don’t use it – polish it up and put it on display – anything but using it.
There is no such thing as a folding knife that won’t fold under pressure, at some point, it just depends whether that point falls within your use. If in doubt use a fixed blade.
Someone once made the statement that “If a knife folds then it is broken.” Yet I’ve managed a lot of years using a slip joint, still got all my fingers and thumbs! Learn what is safe knife practice, don’t apply too much force and none on the spine of a folding knife.

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By the way, isti, any chance of you doing a short test of the 7076 along with the 7071 and 7078 soon. Smile
I’ve got a 7078 on order but I really like the look of the other two as well. :bigsmile:
Also the F3-723 and that big Land, so many knives so little money. Big Smile

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What you think makes sense, but when you say:

If you examine the lock and it looks like it won’t stay engaged then don’t use it.

Then maybe we could say:

If you examine the lock and it looks like it will stay engaged then use it.

But then if it ever fails, you would think:_ “I should have tested it better…”_

Having said the above, I must admit that it hurts when it’s my knife being tested
(I love watching abuse tests… on other people’s knives!)

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Or, if you are fed up with buying 10 of the $10 knives and break down and buy a real Benchmade.. just saying there are times you get what you pay for, and this looks like one of them. Plus you can get a better quality of steel in the blade as well.

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Hi Tomas, first thing – your English is fine.

I could have said “If you examine the lock and it looks like it will stay engaged then use it.” If you have the experience to decide if a folding knife of any design will not fail at the task you wish to complete then trust your experience and use that knife.

One of my favourite knives, a really inexpensive classic.

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Smile it was right after watching that video that I ordered my (first) enlan el01. (Still waiting for it)
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My Ganzo G-710 performs brilliantly, with a very robust lock that never disappointed.
I think judging a model (let alone a whole brand!!) basing on one’s single experience is not a reliable way to determine wether a product is good or bad.

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I do not say that you must hit a spine whack with all your force, but a low hit and bad lock ups show its weakness. I have seen that in fake knives. A low hit do not hurt the knife, and if with a low hit the lock fails almost sure you can with the force of your hands desengage the lock system (lock fail). And a lock that you can with your hands close the knife with the lock engaged is a weak lock and unsecure. I think that. Al least a knife would must resist a low hit. If you pierce a hard material (a simple hard plastic bottle of soap of washing machine) and do not pierce it and lock fail and… fingers…
Yes, we can say use a fixed knife but that tactical heavy duty folders must be useless for something!!.
I bought at the start of collecting knives a beast of knife, 250 gr weight, tanto blade, 4 mm wide blade, the most beast you can imagine, and the liner lock thin like a paper (no literally). A low low low hit veeeery low, almost only drop the weight of the knife and the knife is close, the lock fails. I do not want anymore, never, something like that. Always i see if a knife have good lock for that. A like a lot the ganzo g711 but seeing that videos i will not buy it, and even difficult i will buy more ganzos having three yet.

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8steve88 wrote:
By the way, isti, any chance of you doing a short test of the 7076 along with the 7071 and 7078 soon. Smile I’ve got a 7078 on order but I really like the look of the other two as well. :bigsmile: Also the F3-723 and that big Land, so many knives so little money. Big Smile

I’ll post my review about the SRM 7076 soon. Smile
I’m also interested in the SRM 7071 but I’m still waiting for a different handle color.
I’m not sure about the 7078 because my knife budget is also limited and I prefer locking folders. Wink
Anyway I’m waiting for your thoughts about the 7078 when you receive it.

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I don’t care for the Axis lock, but I don’t see how some folks might be using a folding knife that light reverse pressure on the locking system would be an issue. There is good technique and bad technique. When I use any knife I tend to be careful and let the sharpness of the blade do the cutting, but generally, I cut things with the sharp edge and that doesn’t put any pressure on the locking mechanism at all…but I don’t expect any light pocket folder to be as rugged as a fixed blade.

So a $20 Chinese knife might not be a top-quality unit…that’s hardly surprising…but these knives seem fine to me for $20.

Flipper styles have the blade guard, as does the Spyderco design, but Just for curiosity, check out a Hinderer sometime…it’s a frame lock that’s built like a tank…(they do cost slightly more than $20 though.)

For a very secure but simple lock-up, look at the Cold Steel system…their knives are good quality overall and not expensive.

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I don’t care for the Axis lock, but I don’t see how some folks might be using a folding knife that light reverse pressure on the locking system would be an issue. There is good technique and bad technique. When I use any knife I tend to be careful and let the sharpness of the blade do the cutting, but generally, I cut things with the sharp edge and that doesn’t put any pressure on the locking mechanism at all…but I don’t expect any light pocket folder to be as rugged as a fixed blade.

So a $20 Chinese knife might not be a top-quality unit…that’s hardly surprising…but these knives seem fine to me for $20.

Flipper styles have the blade guard, as does the Spyderco design, but Just for curiosity, check out a Hinderer sometime…it’s a frame lock that’s built like a tank…(they do cost slightly more than $20 though.)

For a very secure but simple lock-up, look at the Cold Steel system…their knives are good quality overall and not expensive.

Cold steel will be cheap in EEUU, not here in EU. For example, a cold steel spartan costs 109€ (148$) in my country, Spain. And if i buy in EEUU online i must pay taxes and the price can be similar.
However an enlan el01 costs 15$ and no more from China.
I think high quality chinese brand are very good but exactly ganzo with some models… it’s unacceptable (and i like ganzo a lot for other things).

About locking fail: well, if you pierce (stap) on hard thing (hard plastic, wood… i don’t know) with 90º (or more) between the knife and the thing perhaps the force could be that the lock fails. If it’s less than 90º can be more secure yes.

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I understand what you’re saying, I am just naturally careful with cutting tools.

I prefer the EL-01 to the Axis models. For the money it’s a usable utility knife, but the blade could use more taper. All of these knives will benefit from re-profiling the edge for better cutting performance…no big deal.

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8steve88 wrote:
By the way, isti, any chance of you doing a short test of the 7076 along with the 7071 and 7078 soon. Smile I’ve got a 7078 on order but I really like the look of the other two as well. :bigsmile: Also the F3-723 and that big Land, so many knives so little money. Big Smile

I’ll post my review about the SRM 7076 soon. Smile
I’m also interested in the SRM 7071 but I’m still waiting for a different handle color.
I’m not sure about the 7078 because my knife budget is also limited and I prefer locking folders. Wink
Anyway I’m waiting for your thoughts about the 7078 when you receive it.

No problem, I thought it had arrived today but it was a Ganzo G725-M, Stockman pattern slip joint.

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No problem, I thought it had arrived today but it was a Ganzo G725-M, Stockman pattern slip joint.

What are your impressions about it compared to your Rough Riders?

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