Suspiciously cheap Samsung 4.35v 3200mah from DX. (SOLD OUT) UPDATE : RECEIVED REFUND FROM DX!

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Suspiciously cheap Samsung 4.35v 3200mah from DX. (SOLD OUT) UPDATE : RECEIVED REFUND FROM DX!

  • *UPDATE 3: DX SENT A REFUND, SEE POST 171. * *

  • UPDATE 2: RECEIVED MY BATTERIES, SEE POST 137. *

  • UPDATE 1: DO NOT BUY THESE BATTERIES MEMBERS ARE REPORTING THEY HAVE RECEIVED FAKES SEE POST #44 ONWARDS *
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It’s not often I visit DX but somehow I was looking at screwdrivers and saw these for only $14.43 in packs of four.

Samsung ICR18650-32A 4.35v 3200mah.

Fonarevka review link

Need some guidance here.. Do they look real, should I buy 3packs?

BANG

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These are ICR , maybe old stock.

contact(at)sinnercustoms.com

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I ordered this few days ago, order is being processed now, will see when it will be shipped…

 

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Nice find. Will have to look into these later tonight. Wonder what kind of capacity you'd get from charging them to 4.2v instead

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HJK reviewed the 28A’s , & showed that charging to 4.2v yielded only ~200 mah less.

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Well the 28As were available in battery packs a while ago, coming to $1.25 each if I’m remembering correctly. So, these are probably legit older pack pulls or “not yet placed into packs” stock, just like the 28As were. They seem to be good batteries, the 28As anyways. In fact I think I have them in the exact battery holders for them as in the picture on the site, deja vu!

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Just looked on fasttech and theirs have the same 2D** number if that’s the date code, they are $13.97 a pair, so half the price from DX, BUT in the past DX seemed to get slower and slower my last order from them took about 5 months, since then I’ve avoided going there |(

INR/IMR is high drain right? I kind of assumed they’d have a longer lifespan being tougher cells and all that, interesting.
Thinking of driving a xml2 around 4amps intermittently so not really stressing them so much.
I’m only just getting into 4.35v cells charging with a power supply for testing and to 4.2v the rest of the time.

Those discharge graph come up very blurred here but looking closely the Samsung 32A’s seem to do better than the LG E1’s. Gonna blow some dough on the puppies.

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Sirius9 wrote:
I ordered this few days ago, order is being processed now, will see when it will be shipped…

Were you able to use the DX coupon code BL5F for an addtl 5% discount? If yes, how did you do it? I tried it earlier but was advised the coupon code is invalid.

Thanks

Low mode and long runtime lover…

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Can’t figure this one out, just been extrapolating the only graphs I can find on 4.35v batts and apparently the newer LG E1 and Samsung 32A has much more voltage sag than the older LG D1. Really? 

So I’m wondering if I’m reading the graphs wrong, or the newer batteries aren’t as good. 

 

See how the older LG D1 offers more available capacity down to 3.4v? cant be right surely. 

 

Discharge at 5A, 

Capacity used until cell hits 3.4v; 

  

Samsung 18650 32A.   1650mah.    Fonarevka graph.

 

LG 18650    E1.           1200mah.     Fonarevka graph.

 

LG 18650.  D1.            2000mah.    HKJ   graph

 

 

HKJ’s graph Graph from fonarevka
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strongest2004 wrote:
Sirius9 wrote:
I ordered this few days ago, order is being processed now, will see when it will be shipped…

Were you able to use the DX coupon code BL5F for an addtl 5% discount? If yes, how did you do it? I tried it earlier but was advised the coupon code is invalid.

Thanks


No, didn’t even try it, wasn’t aware that there is a coupon code for DX…

 

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Nice find Major!

I think these are legitimate Samsung cells and my experience with Samsung cells tells me that they are very good cells.

The only problem is that if the international ban on Lithium Ions is still in place on not. Has anyone received their Lithium Ion orders recently?

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Major wrote:

Can’t figure this one out, just been extrapolating the only graphs I can find on 4.35v batts and apparently the newer LG E1 and Samsung 32A has much more voltage sag than the older LG D1. Really? 

So I’m wondering if I’m reading the graphs wrong, or the newer batteries aren’t as good. 

 

See how the older LG D1 offers more available capacity down to 3.4v? cant be right surely. 

 

Discharge at 5A, 

Capacity used until cell hits 3.4v; 

  

Samsung 18650 32A.   1650mah.    Fonarevka graph.

 

LG 18650    E1.           1200mah.     Fonarevka graph.

 

LG 18650.  D1.            2000mah.    HKJ   graph

 

 

HKJ’s graph Graph from fonarevka

Comparing the two different graphs is like comparing apples and oranges, I’m sure HKJs equipment is a lot more accurate. You can see in this thread that the LG D1s average 1400-1700mah till 3.4v, so on that basis these batteries are just as good as the D1s in holding there voltage.

Thanks for the tip been looking for some decent cells! :bigsmile:

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OK, my order that includes 4 of this mentioned Samsung batteries was shipped today Smile you can expect report with pics in about 30 days Big Smile

 

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Seriously a good deal if you can’t get those cheap laptop packs. I ordered 3 sets (with bulk rate) for a total of $40.07, that comes to $3.34 apiece shipped. That’s a really good price for these.

Don’t worry about the charge voltage, even if you don’t charge to 4.35V, you still get close to 3Ah capacity.

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I’m such a sucker. Ordered 3 packs. I don’t expect to be getting these batteries.

BLF

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Sirius9 wrote:
OK, my order that includes 4 of this mentioned Samsung batteries was shipped today Smile you can expect report with pics in about 30 days Big Smile

I ordered 4 from them on May 30 but nothing arrived till today! Good luck!
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Ordered four sets, I must have more money than sense but don’t really have much of either Flat Stare
Actually do have a use a use for most of them and a couple of sets to keep as spares.
Hope they get here before Xmas.

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I ordered a single set with a couple small items to get to the free shipping level. I can always use a set of 4 matched batteries for things but hope I will see them before winter….. Silly

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Ordered 3 sets (12 pcs). Will put them in portable power banks to charge my 5v DC devices.

Hope they arrive in good working condition within a reasonable amount of time.

Low mode and long runtime lover…

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I bought several days ago because the price is good.
My charger 4.18v load summary, these batteries are able to v 4.35. A lost only 4.20 v 200 mAh experts say.
Worth buying more for the offer anyway?

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Mine order status is “BackOrder”. I would be happy if I get them this year. :santa:

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If additional cost won’t really matter to you guys, I think having it shipped via DHL will do the trick as DHL has their own plane, don’t they?

Basen offered me to test those many cells and charger but send it only via DHL since others won’t accept the cargo, they say.

I declined Basen’s offer since in my country, packages via DHL are heavily taxed, maybe with those Basen cells and charger, will cost me upwards of $150!

In fact, I paid DHL $35 tax for the $25 declared value of the Xtar VP2 that I won in a recent contest.

I wonder what carrier was used when Ledoman got his Basen samples.

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I paid DHL $35 tax for the $25 declared value of the Xtar VP2 that I won in a recent contest.

Wow. That’s crazy. I thought that taxes here are high – 21% of order value if it’s over 29$ USD.
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I just bought a four pack of these as I’m running low on matched batteries now since I’ve bought a few multi-celled lights. Should these work well in a SRK type light?

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sinner wrote:
These are ICR , maybe old stock but I think they’re legit. They’ll go for $4.50 arround aliexpress but in higher quantities. this is a good deal if you are not looking for high discharge batteries.

The good thing about ICR batteries is their expected lifetime is longer than the IMR/INR (3-4 years VS 1-2 years) and the recharge cycles are 1000+ instead of 300-400

Definitely a good deal for 18650’s.

So you’re saying these ICR batteries aren’t high drain? I’m conflicted now because I thought ICR were high drain..

Slewflash 

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IMR is high drain. ICR is standard.

BLF

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I’d appreciate a quick summary of the max drain each is capable of without damage.
Also I’ve not before considered drain capacity, can I assume it’s normally not a problem with LED flashlights, even those rated 900lm using a single 18650 cell?

I have been considering repowering my (Li-ion) cordless drill-driver since the standard pack is dead (less than 3 years).
I guess I will need IMR?
But how can you tell if cells listed for sale are IMR?

Final comment: after reading here about “great” Panasonic Li-ion cells I purchased a pair from Fastech. One worked, the other refused to charge beyond 3.6V. Obtained a free replacement ( good work Fastech), but the replacement failed to charge beyond 3.6V also. I also asked Fastech how I could be sure they were actually Panasonics because the cells were not so labelled. Strange but after twice asking: zero response – go figure!

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Just got a email my order has shipped via Singpost. Yes Smile

For cordless power tools these are next to useless they release the power too slow, you need something high drain like the samsung 20R from fasttech.

Some more information about the non working panasonic is needed. Link to the ones you bought? Does it power a flashlight? Is it making contact when on charge, flat top don’t always work in my xtar charger for that reason. Is your meter battery good? Have you tried it in another charger? If it’s protected, as a last resort if the circuit proves to be faulty just rip it off and you’ll have a good cell underneath, just not protected, but that’s fine in my book as I don’t like protected cells all that much.

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I made a 3S power pack for my drill with 3 Samsung 2600. It works fine. The drill was never fast to begin with so maybe it was not designed to pull too much amps, I’m not sure (this is one of those cheap drill – Tesco brand).

But as far as torque go, there’s no problem at all, it’s as strong as original NiCd pack, maybe even stronger. But most importantly I love the low self discharge of Li-ion and real battery capacity.

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tatasal wrote:
wonder what carrier was used when Ledoman got his Basen samples.

TNT, no problems with taxes, but got taxed 17EUR for $25 declared value on some ordinary tracking shippment with bicycle light Frown

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tatasal wrote:
wonder what carrier was used when Ledoman got his Basen samples.

TNT, no problems with taxes, but got taxed 17EUR for $25 declared value on some ordinary tracking shippment with bicycle light Frown

Also with TNT?

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