New to BLF, veteran on CPF, long rant.

I realized this became a long rant so skip to the last sentences if you just want to help me with the actual question.

I have been out of the flashight loop for a while, but I still take a peek here and there to see what’s new. I have been a member of CPF since around the first Luxeon LEDs came out(2005) and LED lights really caugth my interest(although I have always had a soft spot for flashights even before LEDs). When I first stumbled across CPF I couldn’t believe my eyes, a forum dedicated for flashlights. A place with people with the same weird fascination I had with flashlights. And CPF was a really friendly and helpful place back then.

But then over the years I started to notice rifts. The tacticool side(Surefire, HDS and other very expensive American brand fans) vs the more casual light buyers. The tacticool crowd always sneered at other brands saying they wouldn’t “trust their lives” on them, which I always thought was a rather silly thing to say since the vast majority would never have to bet their lives on their flashlight. Even those who do really rely on their lights should bring two because a Surefire etc is not more fool proof than any other high quality NON American brand(seems like the issue was with the nationality a lot of the time). Sure, they might have knurling that could saw through another light but whats the point when their switches had a higher failure rate(there were some polls) than “crap Chinese” brands like Fenix, Jetbeam etc. My point is that Surefire makes great lights, but they are not head above the rest as an illumination tool like the Surefire fans claim. In fact, you pay a lot more money for less output and features because of successful advertising and the fact American built will be more expensive even though it’s not necessarily superior. I think the problem was that Surefire had always been on the bleeding edge but now many Chinese upstarts were making high quality light with much higher output for less price. Smaller companies who were much more flexible and innovative than Surefire.
And lets face it, at the end of the day, we are talking about flashlights. We need them to light things up. They are for the majority, just tools. You could probably sell “tactical” shoelaces you can “trust with your life” for hundreds of dollars to the right myopic brainwashed crowd.
Most soldiers, cops etc I have come across, the real thing, they don’t care half as much. They use what they got. Make do.

But what I also started to notice was that the site admins took a side. Surefire(through Paul Kim) had always been a darling of CPF (along with HDS, Ark and some custom builders). But now they were in the same position as Maglite(always scorned by CPF), a big dinosaur with outdated tech and people started to talk about other cheaper lights being better. But it got really bad for the tacticool crowd when sites like dealextreme and kaidomain made super cheap and bright lights available for the public(although these light varied more in quality than the bigger brands). It was like CPFs who spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a light got offended that you could get more output for a fraction of the price. Lets be honest here, even though there are tons of things that makes a great light, the thing that drew us into this hobby in the first place was to get as much light as possible from a small package.

Anyway, it was around this time I started to get fed up with the atmoshpere over at CPF. One day, I made the mistake to check out CPF Underground, and all the bitterness, condescending remarks, vitriol and general unpleasantness the people behind the site were posting, put me off. I mean we are talking about flashlights here, how can these people become so hateful and snobbish about that?
That combined with the mods starting to get trigger happy and banning people like Mevs(I think that was his name, the guy behind light-reviews.com) made me stop using CPF altogether. Even though I never got banned or even had the slightest problem with a mod, I stopped using CPF.

But that brings me to BLF. Around the time, there were a couple other flashlight forums. But they weren’t really an alternative to CPF. They mostly consisted of people who left or got banned and talked about how bad CPF was(which I’m aware of, I’m doing myself now), but not much flashlight content. But this doesn’t seem to be the case with BLF. I found my way here through google this time. I was just interested in buying one of these new 4AA pocket thrower class lights and most of my searches brought me to BLF (and Sunwayman D40A isn’t really a budget light). Besides Selfbuilt, the best reviews and info was found on this site(like dissections of EA41 and D40A). All in all I like BLF a lot more. The atmosphere seems to be how it used to be on CPF (when everyone were happy amateurs). The site is so much quicker. The layout brighter.

So after a really long rant, my question is how the traffic compares between CPF and BLF. Is CPF still significantly larger and more active, or is BLF catching up now?

I don't know how the traffic compares, but there is plenty going on here!

Welcome!

Hi Lazarus and Welcome to BLF, best flashlight site in our Galaxy!

As far as traffic, I have no idea.
What I do know is when you do a Google search on most flashlights, BLF will be there pretty high up on the 1st page and usually will have 2 or 3 threads listed under the heading.

Myself I never joined CPF, lurked there a few times, but not my cup of tea. I never go out of my to slam them as I do not know them.
Everything I need comes from here or a google search.

This place can save you money or it can cost you money. Being a sucker for a deal, it’s usually on the costing side:)

But more importantly, it is on the satisfaction happy side as well.
The neat cheap mods some of our members come up with are amazing.
The efforts made to get good group buys are second to none.

Anyway, hope you like it here and help the forum with any tricks, hints, etc. of your own.
Later,
Keith

Hey Lazarus, welcome to BLF. Thanks for the summary of the history of CPF. It indeed is a shame that people just had to be snobbish about a hobby. Then again, people often do turn defensive when you see a noob having better gear than you for less money. It’s just technology I guess.

To answer your question, I haven’t been on CPF for a while so I can’t accurately compare the two, but BLF has grown from what it was just four years ago. It’s certainly not as big as CPF, but it’s a more tightly knit community and the atmosphere is certainly less aggressive or hostile. I think it’s a community packed with caring members who don’t discriminate against whether you spend $$ dollars on a XX brand flashlight or $$$$ on YY, but rather striving to share knowledge and information for the general pursuit of the hobby. There are many community based open source projects, such as the BLF17DD driver and NANJG driver spin-off’s.

Also, another difference is that we are self moderated, and there are no moderators except Mr. Admin. It’s a pretty warm community to be a part of and I have made lots of personal friends here as well.

Hope that answers your question. :slight_smile:

BLF is growing quickly but I have no idea how to compare the relative sizes or why I should. I’m here for much the same reason, better behavior and less DM interference but it works because SB exhorts us to behave and many of us who saw the results of Gretta’s rule agree with him and are willing to act accordingly. SB sets the tone but it is in the interaction of the members that the tone is realized. Taking a moment to decide whether what you have typed should be saved as is, rewritten, or deleted and move on to another topic is a key aspect to preserving that tone. I personally enjoy the humor of members from across the globe and the ribbing that is shared. Occasional lapses do occur and the necessary reminders to behave ourselves go out but outright bans are rare.

Welcome to BLF. :slight_smile:
i agree with you on the attitudes some have take on CPF, (I am there too.) some of the attitudes is downright snobbish and favouritistic when it comes to “certain” brands of lights.
The atmosphere is much friendlier and open here on BLF, which is growing quickly.
Even though the name is BudgetLightForums, we discuss and cover all lights from budget to expensive to custom and vintage.

Thanks for the very interesting welcome post. I couldnt agree more.

Wecome Lazarus CPF has always been like that since I joined them, got banned twice.

The moderators will make any reason to ban you if you s**t on Surefire, I personally Like any otherfire than surefire.

Welcome to the BLF. I hope you also have fun here :-)

Welcome Lazarus, another oldtimer from CPF here (Member #38 originally) I will not talk bad about any of the forums I visit, my addiction is flashlights and modding, and there is a ton going on here, enjoy your stay and do come back and share your flashlight experiences…

AlexGT :slight_smile:

Budget Light Forum. Everybody has a different budget here, and we all get along whether we’re into AAA penlights or modded out super throwers. If an unenlightened member drops his $10 light, and it stops working, he just has to ask and the forum will help him get it running again. There’s no snobbery here, just a common interest.

When it comes to flashlight modding info, or new flashlights, or new batteries or gear, the traffic here far exceeds the CPF. Viva BLF!!

Hi and welcome Lazarus. There is quite a bit of banned going on here as well but it is more along the lines of banning together. There are a couple of bad ratbags occasionally as you would expect but the good ratbags more than make up for that.

Welcome to BLF!

Welcome to BLF. The atmosphere is much more casual and relaxed here but we do have flare ups from time to time. I think that happens on any kind of forum. I just read and learn and contribute what I can. The bickering usually stems from someone posting wrong info or having such a strong opinion about a light or subject that they come across as arrogant. But sometimes one needs to take a step back and look upon it as the person is just trying to help but they are just going about saying it the wrong way. I would like to add that I think we have one of the best administrator/moderator you could hope for. Enjoy your stay.

Welcome to the BLF family, Lazarus! You've found the place that is truly one of the most friendly forums and where the most innovation comes from these days.

I signed up at CPF first too, but I like the community here a lot better. According to online estimates, CPF gets ~18,800 per day while BLF gets ~8,300.

Welcome, we are glad you are here. It is a very enjoyable, very friendly forum, and it has grown A LOT since I’ve been here. The only thing I don’t like about it is everyone here is so smart with regard to flashlights and electronics, that I feel like a dummy some of the time. :stuck_out_tongue: It is a great place to learn, and have a laugh!

Hey there, welcome to BLF! I’m just a guy who wastes too much time and money on LED lights, nobody official, which is what I think is great about BLF: anyone can comment, and no “official”/snobbyness and excessive modding/ censoring/ “opinion management”. :slight_smile: I used to be on CPF too, but for pretty much the same reasons you state, I just stopped checking there, no desire to after watching some of what goes on…so no real clue as to how busy it is in comparison…and no real reason to care, unless I become an advertiser of expensive lights I guess.

I think the biggest problem with these forums is, the more time you spend, the more you want to spend $, and “hey its a bargain for what it does” is always a good excuse…maybe a lot of us end up spending as much as we would on an expensive “name brand” light…but if you mod or pay for one to be modded you usually have more functionality, so many more choices and ability to help others/gift lights/etc I think its worth it.