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Is he making it in aluminum?

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The heatsink on the first page will be aluminum and this heatsink for the 32mm board will be copper like this

unless u guys want something different

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Nitro, if you can get one of the quads in copper I’d be interested in one for sure.

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Edited my previous post with interest in 2 heatsinks, to be used with the XP32 mcpcb. Thanks.

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Should be something like this, for the triple…

Anyone recognize the sample BLF SE X6 that made the road trip? Silly

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I made the triple one and it worked out fine. Based on that, I also made the quad. Seeing as how I don’t have a lathe or all that fancy equipment, mine isn’t as fancy as the updated diagram.

The Quad makes 2500 lumens with XP-G2 S3 3C emitters. The Triple can make 4040 lumens with XP-L V6 2C emitters. With the Ledil Cute-3 the XP-L doesn’t need to be de-domed, so there’s no tint loss or lumens loss. V5 2D emitters give me ~3800 lumens and V4 3D emitters made ~3300 lumens.

Yes, I have made 3 triples, with the last one having an aluminum sink exactly as pictured. And one Quad, with a more primitive sink but essentially the same as the one pictured.

While I do very much like the X6 with the Quad, the triple is just exceptional! The larger TIR lenses and the style of the lens, it looks awesome and just works.

FET drivers of course, and the best IMR cells I could use. Wights A17DD-S08 is single sided and fits into the X6 like it was made for it. Wink

Somehow I assumed your 4040 lumen monster was the quad. I’m guessing the quad was only lower because you used XP-G2s, is there some reason not to use XPLs and get more lumens out of the quad??

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And like this for the Quad…

This heat sink has been refined to better fit the bezel for full contact inside the head with better fitment. Call this one the prototype of the prototype. Wink

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I chose XP-G2’s for a few reasons in the Quad. The tint, the reduced heat, longer run time, the optics fit without modification or de-doming the LED’s and I just got new S3 3C emitters while I’m about out of XP-L’s. Smile

3 and 4 at a time get’s downright expensive!

Also, I had an aluminum bar and would prefer copper under the XP-L’s. The triple that is making 4040 has a stack of 20mm copper stars under the 32mm copper Noctigon, all reflowed into one piece. It was the doing of that light that gave me ideas for the full cup design of the quad. And then having to wrap the one you see above with aluminum strips for bezel contact made me redraw it once again. So having built a few, all the short-sightedness has been ironed out for the diagram Nitro is using to have samples made.

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Before there is a bunch of confusion....sometimes easy to confuse me Smile It may be a good idea to poll what people want....triple or quad. For myself I want the triple. 

 

On second thought one of each Smile

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DBCstm wrote:
I chose XP-G2’s for a few reasons in the Quad. The tint, the reduced heat, longer run time, the optics fit without modification or de-doming the LED’s and I just got new S3 3C emitters while I’m about out of XP-L’s. Smile

3 and 4 at a time get’s downright expensive!

Also, I had an aluminum bar and would prefer copper under the XP-L’s. The triple that is making 4040 has a stack of 20mm copper stars under the 32mm copper Noctigon, all reflowed into one piece. It was the doing of that light that gave me ideas for the full cup design of the quad. And then having to wrap the one you see above with aluminum strips for bezel contact made me redraw it once again. So having built a few, all the short-sightedness has been ironed out for the diagram Nitro is using to have samples made.

Sounds good. I have one triple from Richard I love using. I find the novelty of blasting max frequently just wears off and you just choose a lower mode to run continuously when you need run time anyways. Whenever I want to “blast” it though, the higher the better. So I’m leaning towards a quad XPL, hoping for no other good reasons not to Wink Cost is definitely one though, these things get so pricey by the time you are done collecting all the parts, and assuming I dont screw something up and it gets more expensive. But I have to give my X6s a real turbo and a reason for the nice cooling fins!

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If we’re doing a poll, I’m in for a triple. Smile

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Well the way i see it is that since I'm working with him on the triple, im going to have him make one for the quad and do a small run on them ? And both will be saved on a cd for the cnc machine and I'll probably have few done in copper

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DBCstm wrote:
Should be something like this, for the triple…

Anyone recognize the sample BLF SE X6 that made the road trip? Silly


I thought it tripped over the road.

Pls put me down for an aluminum sink for the 32mm triple Nitro.

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I’m interested in 2 aluminum 32mm triple heatsinks

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Im interested in a two triple`s, especially if you can sell them with optics.

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I’ll take one copper 32mm triple heatsink

Thanks for posting the designs!

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I’m in for 2 Al or Cu 32mm triple

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I’m in for 2 Cu triple.

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RaceR86 wrote:

Im interested in a two triple`s, especially if you can sell them with optics.

 

Ill talk to RMM on this once the sinks are done, if i can buy a bulk of optics from him and send with the order for the guys out of the united states that would save u guys lil $$ ?

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nitro wrote:

RaceR86 wrote:

Im interested in a two triple`s, especially if you can sell them with optics.

 

Ill talk to RMM on this once the sinks are done, if i can buy a bulk of optics from him and send with the order for the guys out of the united states that would save u guys lil $$ ?

Yupp. That is the idea. If Ill have to buy optics from some place where shipping costs $$ in, then the whole deal become less interesting. Id rather just get everything in on order. Easier and cheaper. Especially for everyone overseas.

Im not aware that RMM sells the ledl triple optics though. We are not talking talking about the small 20mm triple, but the "large" optics seen in post 35. Im not sure which optics offer the most range. But im interested in "range", since it will be quite floody anyway.

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RaceR86 if u can find a link to the optic u want with max throw ect.... please post and i can order some when the time comes ?

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Yup, it will save us a bit on separate shipping cost for the optics.

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I think I recall reading that the ‘well’ the emitter is cut a bit shallower on the hosts and/or the stock lights than on the BLF-Special lights (cut deeper on the BLF-Specials to hold the copper board)? Might want to check the stock/non-BLF lights and host lights to be sure.

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here is a pic of what im thinking your talking about ? (in green)

 

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B42 wrote:
Sounds good. I have one triple from Richard I love using. I find the novelty of blasting max frequently just wears off and you just choose a lower mode to run continuously when you need run time anyways. Whenever I want to “blast” it though, the higher the better. So I’m leaning towards a quad XPL, hoping for no other good reasons not to Wink Cost is definitely one though, these things get so pricey by the time you are done collecting all the parts, and assuming I dont screw something up and it gets more expensive. But I have to give my X6s a real turbo and a reason for the nice cooling fins!
I don’t think that there’s been any indication that a dedomed quad XP-L (with a 24mm Carclo optic) will outperform a domed triple XP-L (with a 35mm Ledil Cute optic). We know the 32mm MCPCB + 35mm optic works well, that’s what I’d target… EDIT: and I don’t see much point in putting the 24mm quad stuff in a 35mm host light. Why not just go do that in one of the plethora of slightly slimmer hosts which work with 24mm stuff? Please see RaceR86’s thread: Suitable hosts for 24mm quad optics.

nitro wrote:

RaceR86 wrote:

Im interested in a two triple`s, especially if you can sell them with optics.

 

Ill talk to RMM on this once the sinks are done, if i can buy a bulk of optics from him and send with the order for the guys out of the united states that would save u guys lil $$ ?

Isn’t RMM also working on this exact same heatsink project? For him to send out as kits w/ MCPCB+heatsink+optic? With reasonable international shipping? I’m not trying to be a party pooper, I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page here. Reference post #3177 in RMM’s sales thread.

Still fine, still on a break. One day I’ll catch up with you folks! previous wight catchup Wink
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wight wrote:
I don’t think that there’s been any indication that a dedomed quad XP-L (with a 24mm Carclo optic) will outperform a domed triple XP-L (with a 35mm Ledil Cute optic). We know the 32mm MCPCB + 35mm optic works well, that’s what I’d target… EDIT: and I don’t see much point in putting the 24mm quad stuff in a 35mm host light. Why not just go do that in one of the plethora of slightly slimmer hosts which work with 24mm stuff? Please see RaceR86’s thread: Suitable hosts for 24mm quad optics.

Tks Wight, thats the kind of info I was looking for. If it doesn’t really outperform a triple then I wouldn’t want to go to quad, no.

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Quad optics are much much smaller than the triple optics, so by the very design the Quad isn’t going to throw or have the beam profile of the larger optics. The Quad individual TIR’s are ~10mm x 5.8mm approx, while the triple CUTE-3 SS has TIR’s at 17.4mm x 13.7mm. Much larger.

For me, the very size of the X6 is the reason to use a quad in it, potential for massive heat sinking to handle the heat of 4 emitters. The quad deal is a limited thing anyway, with less than 40 quad boards still available from Richard. Without those boards, it’s DIW.

I talked Hank at Intl-Outdoor into producing more of the 32mm Noctigons, he was out of stock and wasn’t planning on re-stocking. As of last night he had 168 in stock. So that too might be a limited deal, just with more available at the moment.

Richards plan is being held up at the moment by some odd dealings with his host supplier. Since there’s no good idea of when that might be rectified…

Yes, I’m doing what I can to help Richard get set up and running with this same kind of deal. The machinist we’re working with is behind and the hosts are temporarily shelved. With the Group Buy being over 800 lights, and not knowing how many of those might want a modification, there’s more than likely plenty of room for more than one to be working on this. Richard will have the complete set-up, with host, emitters, proper boards and optics as well as the spacers in the triple category. So those will be available to all that are interested and the Special Edition lights won’t have anything to do with it, they can be left as they shipped in their pretty little SE boxes. Wink

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DBCstm wrote:
Quad optics are much much smaller than the triple optics, so by the very design the Quad isn’t going to throw or have the beam profile of the larger optics. The Quad individual TIR’s are ~10mm x 5.8mm approx, while the triple CUTE-3 SS has TIR’s at 17.4mm x 13.7mm. Much larger.

For me, the very size of the X6 is the reason to use a quad in it, potential for massive heat sinking to handle the heat of 4 emitters. The quad deal is a limited thing anyway, with less than 40 quad boards still available from Richard. Without those boards, it’s DIW.

Yes, but can you make your quad make significantly more light, and can it run significantly more efficiently with the same light output, thats what I’m primarily interested in Smile I like the X6 for bigger head and better fins/heat dissipation as well, and I thought the “advantage” to the quad was that we wouldn’t have to run as much current to get the same light, it would be more efficient and max lumens would be perceptibly a bit brighter…but is that the case?

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Nitro, yes, your picture
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/36279#comment-694244
is what I think I read someone describe, in one of the other topics.
I hope someone who knows will speak up, if there are any important variations in the actual flashlight body

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i have both and i think they are the same, i dont want to take measurements from the non BLF x6 BC the head does not screw all the way down.

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