Need Some Multi-Emitter Recomendations

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Need Some Multi-Emitter Recomendations

About 6 months ago I went out and bought this Supernight x12 XM-L T6 light, and it has seriously “Wow’ed” everyone who sees it. Well it especially Wow’ed my buddy, who now wants to buy it off of me 8) It wasn’t for sale, but I am considering letting it go so I can roll the cash into another monster of a light. Here is what I have now…
SUPERNIGHT13000 LM High Power High Bright Flashlight Torch 12 CREE XM-L T6 LED

I plan on pretty much giving it to him for what I have into it (~$100 with 3 King Kong 26650’s and a charger) since he can just go online and buy it for the same price anyways. (The light has barely been used except for the usual “Hey check this out”)

Here is my question; Is there a better light for ~$100? I bought this light just for sheer lumens so that’s what I’m looking to replace it with. Just stupid bright light J). What do you guys recommend as a good contender? A multi-emitter XM-L2 would be nice if there are any out yet.

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I’m guessing with the enormous amounts of replies that the Supernight x12 is the brightest multi-emitter light on the market right? :bigsmile:

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Yourrid wrote:
I’m guessing with the enormous amounts of replies that the Supernight x12 is the brightest multi-emitter light on the market right? :bigsmile:

It’s actually the driver that makes it the brightest (stock) under $100 that I’m aware of (assuming you got one of the good ones). If I recall correctly, a good set of cells will put this around ~6000 lumens. Direct drive, lots of current, heat, and fun. Smile
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the only other way for $100 is to get a light modded for you.
a 9x xml or a triple mtg2 should get you 7000 lumens or a bit more

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Oops, I wrote a response 3hr ago and forgot to post it! Here’s what I was writing back then:

wight wrote:
I don’t think you can buy much more big-multi-emitter-flashlight-with-batteries-and-charger for that price tag.

Unmodded these lights usually don’t get much out of the emitters. Modded they usually fall down on their face due to power density / dissipation issues. I’ve rarely seen anyone assert that the big 9, 12, 15, etc emitter lights compare that well against smaller lights with 4/5/6 emitters. (Consider turning the tables with a modded Supfire M6 maybe? You can ask RMM about it, but I think his pre-modded ones probably beat your stock Supernight 12x.)

I don’t own a big multi-emitter light personally and have never used one, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

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wight wrote:
I don’t think you can buy much more big-multi-emitter-flashlight-with-batteries-and-charger for that price tag.

Unmodded these lights usually don’t get much out of the emitters. Modded they usually fall down on their face due to power density / dissipation issues. I’ve rarely seen anyone assert that the big 9, 12, 15, etc emitter lights compare that well against smaller lights with 4/5/6 emitters. (Consider turning the tables with a modded Supfire M6 maybe? You can ask RMM about it, but I think his pre-modded ones probably beat your stock Supernight 12x.)

I don’t own a big multi-emitter light personally and have never used one, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

I have a 4000 ish lumen SRK ( 6xled modded with new FET ,wires and braided )and a SP03 ( modded by 18650 to 4000 lumen also ) and I did have the Ultrafire LW-12 version of the supernight till the driver went and blew 10 of the 12 LED’s.

Now I haven’t tried a Supfire M6 from RMM but it should be the same ballpark as my two torches and I have to say they don’t come close to beating the output from the LW-12, it had quite a bit more output than either of mine and for such short reflectors quite good throw.

After changing my batteries the LED’s started to fail ,4P3S format, I re-flowed some more to test and they worked for 5 seconds or so then they also blew, so now I need a new driver that can handle lots of current ( my first Trustflame 26650 batteries kept tripping the protection at 7.5 amp draw so I had to swap to king kong unprotected for it) then I need to get 12 new LED’s and re-flow them back on Sad

So until I find some cheap parts it sits in a desk collecting dust.

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Oops, that’s right fireblade893, 4k is the ballpark. My mistake!

The rest of my post is still accurate to the best of my knowledge. Getting a lot more than what Yourrid started with for that price (including charger and cells!) doesn’t seem likely. For that matter I don’t think any kind of sustainable higher performance is particularly likely at any price in that size and weight. …right?

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wight wrote:
Oops, that’s right fireblade893, 4k is the ballpark. My mistake!

The rest of my post is still accurate to the best of my knowledge. Getting a lot more than what Yourrid started with for that price (including charger and cells!) doesn’t seem likely. For that matter I don’t think any kind of sustainable higher performance is particularly likely at any price in that size and weight. …right?

Looking at the advert on Amazon it says batteries not included

Even so at that price I doubt you will get a brighter light anywhere
Review here http://budgetlightforum.com/node/32097 from 18650 with over 7000lumens from the Ultrafire version

It will probably cost me more to fix mine than buy the new one Sad

Only thing that I really didn’t like (apart from the size) was the damned UI that was next mode and the pencil trick didn’t work.

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fireblade893 wrote:
Looking at the advert on Amazon it says batteries not included

Even so at that price I doubt you will get a brighter light anywhere
Review here http://budgetlightforum.com/node/32097 from 18650 with over 7000lumens from the Ultrafire version

It will probably cost me more to fix mine than buy the new one Sad

Only thing that I really didn’t like (apart from the size) was the damned UI that was next mode and the pencil trick didn’t work.

By “that price” I meant the $100 Yourrid mentioned in the OP; that was bad communication on my part.

Modes seems like an easy fix with a driver swap? If you already killed emitters it wasn’t because of bad behavior from a DD driver (they can’t behave very badly, unlike switching drivers such as Buck setups). I’d assume that it was because of the non-DTP stars that the stock light comes with. Replacing those with Noctigons or SinkPADs might be costly, but if you’re burning up emitters….

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wight wrote:

Modes seems like an easy fix with a driver swap? If you already killed emitters it wasn’t because of bad behavior from a DD driver (they can’t behave very badly, unlike switching drivers such as Buck setups). I’d assume that it was because of the non-DTP stars that the stock light comes with. Replacing those with Noctigons or SinkPADs might be costly, but if you’re burning up emitters….

All 12 LED’s are on one big star and I looked at 12 noctigons but the spacing looks too small so they would have to be cut to fit ,and then swap out the driver at this point it’s getting expensive for what it is

If I can get some low cost bare XML’s I might reflow them and swap in a good driver but somehow I doubt it lol

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I’m guessing your LEDs are actually desoldering themselves from the MCPCB. I’ve been running mine for a couple of months with 14A at the tail, I’m just careful to not run on high for more then a minute. A 130w light like this really needs a 60sec step down. I’f I could sell mine I’d follow 18sixfifty suggestion and get the 9x version. You still have a crazy amount of light, but you gain more throw with the better reflectors and less heat.

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fireblade893 wrote:
wight wrote:

Modes seems like an easy fix with a driver swap? If you already killed emitters it wasn’t because of bad behavior from a DD driver (they can’t behave very badly, unlike switching drivers such as Buck setups). I’d assume that it was because of the non-DTP stars that the stock light comes with. Replacing those with Noctigons or SinkPADs might be costly, but if you’re burning up emitters….

All 12 LED’s are on one big star and I looked at 12 noctigons but the spacing looks too small so they would have to be cut to fit ,and then swap out the driver at this point it’s getting expensive for what it is

If I can get some low cost bare XML’s I might reflow them and swap in a good driver but somehow I doubt it lol

What kind of ‘good’ driver would fix the problem? My point is that most improvements to the light are just going to make it self-destruct faster unless you go with Noctigons anyway…

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I get what you guys are saying about the driver and modding it. I’m not skilled enough (yet) to do any of the mods myself, so I was looking for a pretty robust light that would outshine the current one I have (supernight). Maybe have someone slap a different driver in it to change the UI but that’s about it.

I was assuming $100 for the light itself, not including batteries or charger (got those covered already).

Wight – I think I may be up against the wall considering the amount of heat produced at 7000 lumens. Seems like that is the ceiling for insane lumens is dissipating that insane amount of heat, which I think is what you were getting across.

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I don't have this light but just throwing it out there. The Trustfire X100?

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trustfire+x100

 

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Correct, the heat is a major roadblock. There are several other factors which could help you get a bit more performance at a big dollar price, but that’s out of your current price range and stated modding ability.

… unless you want to go HID. Unlike LED lights, HID gets brighter as it warms up. You’re right on the very bottom end of HID prices. I think you’ll need to be in the 65W to 120W range to really start making headway against 5k to 6k lumens. 100W is supposed to be able to do 7k to 8k lumens if everything is done correctly.

A Fire-Foxes FF4 is more of a small/premium HID ($200-300 for ~6k lumens?) but might get you more OTF lumens vs the Supernight once they’re both warmed up (and from a compact soupcan package).

I have no personal experience with the HID lights.

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Check out the X60 groupbuy and ask OP for a price info http://budgetlightforum.com/node/33484