Review TrustFire TR-3T6 Triple XM-L T6 5-Modes Memory LED Flashlight (3x18650)

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Does anyone know of a forward clicky that can be used with the 3T6?

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today i had some time to kill today so i thought ill do a test on the TR-3T6 Triple XM-L 3 x 18650

using two trust fire flames resting voltage 4.12v

internal resistance of the batteries 150 mΩ but you have to take into account my soldering the rare earth magnets and the 18 awg main charge leads.

at the start of the test 2.6 amps at the tail cap (i get readings from 2.6 amps to 2.9 amps with my trust fire flames depending on the Ir of the batteries) for the test i used the lowest current draw of the batteries i have.

starting temperature was 19 degrees c (66.2 f) on the torch head between the bezel and fins and i used a small desk top fan on high to act as active cooling, i would of done this test with a bush walk with the torch on high but the weather has been crap.

run time of the test is 30 Min's timed on an iphone 4 the torch was ran on high mode the whole time.

end temperature of the torch was 29c (84.2f) i unscrewed the drop in (screw in) as quick as i could but by the time i got it out it was 22c (71.6f) all temp readings where done with a digital laser point temp gun at a distance of 300mm (12 inch)

at the end of the 30 min test the current draw had rose to 2.92 amps and the resting voltage of both cells where 3.76v.

i used an old fluke and a cheap DMM to confirm results

i will repeat the test using 3 x trust fire flames over a 45 min period

 

 

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today i had some more time to kill today so i thought ill do another test on the TrustFire TR-3T6 Triple XM-L (3x18650)

 using three trust fire flames resting voltage 4.15v (average)

 internal resistance of the batteries 223 mΩ (average) but you have to take into account my soldering the rare earth magnets and the 18 awg main charge leads.

 at the start of the test 1.58 amps at the tail cap. (i get readings from 1.5 amps to 1.7 amps with my trust fire flames depending on the Ir of the batteries).

 starting temperature was 20c (68f) on the torch head between the bezel and fins and i used a small desk top fan on high to act as active cooling, i would of done this test with a bush walk with the torch on high but the weather has been crap.

 run time of the test is 45 Min's timed on an iphone 4 the torch was ran on high mode the whole time.

end temperature of the torch was 31c (87.8f) i unscrewed the drop in (screw in) as quick as i could but by the time i got it out it was 23c (73.4f) all temp readings where done with a digital laser point temp gun at a distance of 300mm (12 inch)

 at the end of the 45 min test the current draw had rose to 1.65 amps and the resting voltage of the cells where 3.76v (average)

 i used an old fluke and a cheap DMM to confirm results im pretty stoked with the results Smile

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Thanks for the measurements,  only confirms that I think this is the best deal I have ever gotten on a flashlight,  mind boggling compared to what was available just a few years ago when we were paying $80 for Fenix's with 1/20 the output.

 

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have the comparison with sky ray?

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nice i wondered why it was so deep

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Hi, i just realized great thing(at least for me). Thanks to buck/boost driver used in our 3T6 lights we can use 4xAA to power them. They will fit in almost perfectly(with extension tube) and due to strong springs on both sides there is almost no rattling so no modding is needed. I know that this is not for general use but as a backup in low mode it's perfect.

I did a quick measurement:

4xAA rechargeable 2500mAh total 4,82V(not fully charged)

HIGH mode 3,05A

MED mode 1,55A

LOW mode 0,34A

 

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Interesting find, thanks, but only possible in the 3x18650, not in the 2x18650

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well my TrustFire TR-3T6 (3x18650) has been getting a fair bit of use and has been working well.

i did test some of the Protected TrustFire 18650's batteries ive been using in the TR-3T6 with good results

i discharged them to 2.7v and let the cells rest the voltage rose to 3.18v and then i recharged them to 4.2v with a icharger 106b+ at 0.5 amp the battery took 2343 mAh.

the over discharge protection is ment to kick in at 2.75v but i could not trigger the over discharge protection even when discharging down to 2.5v, or quick 5 amp draw bust,s.

I have not tested the over charge protection as my charger is accurate and will not let me go past 4.2v per cell unless i change charge modes to none lipo or lions

im still very happy with the batteries and there performance and it seams common that the over discharge protection on alot of batteries does not kick in from what ive read on the net here is an example.

http://www.light-reviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=513

but now since i know the TrustFire 18650's batteries have more to give i will redo the above test with longer run time and test the draw again, and i would like to explain when i said (average) in the above test's i ment the figures where averaged out over the amount of batteries used.

i have a mate who has the sky ray 3800 with the original head before the other revisions ive asked him to do the same test but he will not as it gets to hot to quick and i think he is worried it will go up in smoke like many others.

im happy to let the TR-3T6 run for an hour or more and i push some of my other trustfire torches into the 1.5 + hour range and they still work well, some people might call this torch tortoure, but to me there is no point buying a light if it can only be used for a couple of mins at a time.

 

 

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Benckie, i have tested full bore runs on the TF-3T6, the driver does not have low voltage protection.   The SR3800 is "pretty accurate" and kicks in plus/minus 90 seconds.

The 3T6 just lets you run unregulated after that till the cell dies.  So you literally can do like 5hours more on low (but risk ruining the cell).  Go too low, and risk adding more and more resistance each time round....  Lousier cells would be more susceptible.

The Trustfire flames are good, gets me about 45 mins on the SR3800, versus the NCR18650 2900s those are 60 mins.  And this is pretty high current draw. On the charger it is 2000-2100mAh discharge @ 1A start 4.2v.

 

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Jarosf wrote:

Hi, i just realized great thing(at least for me). Thanks to buck/boost driver used in our 3T6 lights we can use 4xAA to power them. They will fit in almost perfectly(with extension tube) and due to strong springs on both sides there is almost no rattling so no modding is needed. I know that this is not for general use but as a backup in low mode it's perfect.

I did a quick measurement:

4xAA rechargeable 2500mAh total 4,82V(not fully charged)

HIGH mode 3,05A

MED mode 1,55A

LOW mode 0,34A

 

That's pretty neat. Running on high should be fine btw with good nimh's.

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So which of the ~$50ish triple xm-l's is best? Brightest? Best built?

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Wow....4AAs.  That's really good. Well correct, not surprising as it'd just drop out of regulation.  So this is the first Li-ion budget light that you can use AAs in an emergency without modification!  (Panasonic oxyrides, Lithiums, alkalines, NiMH).  And at those "low levels" spread over 3 emitters + excellent heatsinking, it'd be at an extremely high lumens efficacy.

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I am happy to report that on Alkalines it can do the same lux (measured hotspot directly) compared to Li-ion.  But for Alkalines it might be a bit too much to run on high (they'd leak), can do medium perhaps and low for general useage.   For NiMH then shouldn't be an issue.

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What's odd is that others are reporting 3A CC on 2cell, but yours scales with voltage (like the 3800). That's rather inconsistent.

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agenthex wrote:

What's odd is that others are reporting 3A CC on 2cell, but yours scales with voltage (like the 3800). That's rather inconsistent.

Re-measured again. For mine now with Solarforce 2400s V2 slightly discharged, mine takes 2.2A 2-cell (fully charged it's closer to 2.0A) and 3-cell is 1.45A.  What's important is on the lux meter actually and its the same lux reading, takes out all the inaccuracy due to meter internal resistances, 28awg skinny wire probes etc.  

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Actually, my bad, I read the comments from benckie above again and his behaves the same. So, actually somewhat similar to the 3800, except it does stop drawing more current at 3A, which is good since I suspect that's what's killing some of those off after too much of it.

What would be interesting is to test w/ 4 IMR's to see if it does indeed buck, but only for the brave.

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agenthex wrote:

What's odd is that others are reporting 3A CC on 2cell, but yours scales with voltage (like the 3800). That's rather inconsistent.

i gues it depends on point of veiw and if its changed, the cells used and how its measured and if the ddm leads have been moded to give false higher readings

we have already established the drivers are totaly diffrent, the TF-3T6 does not seam to scale up like the sr3800 into 4 or 5 + amps then burn out or get to hot to hold after 10 mins and i have not gone over 3 amps yet on the TF-3T6.

every one else keeps changing there readings......

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Benckie, i have tested full bore runs on the TF-3T6, the driver does not have low voltage protection.

i know i was talking about the tff batteries.

i would say from this post since others can run the TF-3T6 on 1 to 3 cell and the SR3800 you can not run on 1 cell its either got low voltage protection or just a miniun voltage it will fire on witch will do the same thing, im betting on the second.

i still would recomend the TF-3T6 over the SR3800 and SR400, better heat soak and regulation imo take it or leave it, im waiting to hear back from a friend about the SR4300

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fishmaniac wrote:

So which of the ~$50ish triple xm-l's is best? Brightest? Best built?

i would have to say the

TrustFire TR-3T6 Triple XM-L T6 5-Modes Memory LED Flashlight (3x18650)

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Actually, my bad, I read the comments from benckie above again and his behaves the same. So, actually somewhat similar to the 3800, except it does stop drawing more current at 3A, which is good since I suspect that's what's killing some of those off after too much of it.

What would be interesting is to test w/ 4 IMR's to see if it does indeed buck, but only for the brave.

 

ahh i thought you changed your mind.

if you send me 4 imr,s ill try it... i have a TR-1200 ( thats driven in the same way as the TR-3T6 ) the extention tubes fit the TR-3T6 i thought about trying it on 4 or 5 trust fire flame batteries but i know it would end bad, running a good torch for over an hour is one thing but doubling the running voltage is another.

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I don't have IMR's, but even 3 good cells would help verify this. What I mean is that we suspect the driver bucks because of its decreasing voltage even up to 3 cell, but we can't really be sure because it could just be due to sag. 3 cells that maintain >4V even under load would verify this.

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benckie wrote:

i still would recomend the TF-3T6 over the SR3800 and SR400, better heat soak and regulation imo take it or leave it, im waiting to hear back from a friend about the SR4300

At the current moment, definitely.  Not the brighest but so far not issue. And CNQ is selling at $45, it's $9 for shipping. But if you wait and get his other flashlights like the new Shadows, you could save somemore, well maybe not a lot but with DHL at least it'd be real fast.  Big Smile

Oh and buy some heatsink compound from DX too and squeeze on the threads!  LOL!

I measured with 4 AAs, seems like 3.3A....  Let me take hold of my second meter (Uni T UT-58E) and see what happens....should be quite soon.

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Agenthex, you want me to try the 3x Panasonics?  They'd definitely be > 12V under such light load.  They are the best.  Hit over 3100mAh when digging down to 2.6V.

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agenthex wrote:

I don't have IMR's, but even 3 good cells would help verify this. What I mean is that we suspect the driver bucks because of its decreasing voltage even up to 3 cell, but we can't really be sure because it could just be due to sag. 3 cells that maintain >4V even under load would verify this.

 

there is not much sag at all on 3 cell,s at 4,2v but i see where your comming from. dont you have this torch ?

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2100 wrote:

Agenthex, you want me to try the 3x Panasonics?  They'd definitely be > 12V under such light load.  They are the best.  Hit over 3100mAh when digging down to 2.6V.



Yeah, that would be great. Should be pretty safe w/ 3 since it's pretty close to what we know already works well.

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benckie wrote:

there is not much sag at all on 3 cell,s at 4,2v but i see where your comming from. dont you have this torch ?



No, I only have the Rev 0 3800, but this seems the one to get now, esp. since skyray is shipping crappier editions by the week.

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Yeah, that would be great. Should be pretty safe w/ 3 since it's pretty close to what we know already works well.

Ok it's 1.36A 3-cells. I pushed down the cells pretty hard and cleaned everything with deoxit.  LOL! 

2-cells it's 2.05A.  Remember, everything's relative, coz i do not have a good meter....but then the current's not that high anyway. .

Hey it scales exactly the same...serious.  2.05 x 2 = 4.1.   4.1/3 = 1.3667.

On 1 cell where it breaks regulation, on my NCR18650A it takes 2.4A.

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2100 wrote:

benckie wrote:

i still would recomend the TF-3T6 over the SR3800 and SR400, better heat soak and regulation imo take it or leave it, im waiting to hear back from a friend about the SR4300

At the current moment, definitely.  Not the brighest but so far not issue. And CNQ is selling at $45, it's $9 for shipping. But if you wait and get his other flashlights like the new Shadows, you could save somemore, well maybe not a lot but with DHL at least it'd be real fast.  Big Smile

Oh and buy some heatsink compound from DX too and squeeze on the threads!  LOL!

I measured with 4 AAs, seems like 3.3A....  Let me take hold of my second meter (Uni T UT-58E) and see what happens....should be quite soon.

CNQ only sell the 2 cell version and shipping to me is more then 9 bucks so it works out more $ then manafont to me.

i have artic silver thermal paste for cpu,s and gpu,s but i dont use it on my TR-1200 and TF-3T6 or others.

if you want a good cheap super bright 3 x xml t6 light that will last and can be used for long run times its the TF-3T6 untill the next best thing comes out, i love mine and use it loads its now my fav light

 

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benckie wrote:

there is not much sag at all on 3 cell,s at 4,2v but i see where your comming from. dont you have this torch ?



No, I only have the Rev 0 3800, but this seems the one to get now, esp. since skyray is shipping crappier editions by the week.

 

to true but since you have Rev 0 3800 i will ask you to do the same test as i did since my mate is to chicken and report the current draw increase and the temp please.

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Ok, i'll go disturb him (Ric) and see if CNQG is 2-cell or 3-cell. heheh......

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shipping still puts me off and it still will work out more $$ for me but other,s might be intrested.

 

 

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