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My PF818 has arrived. Quality seems good overall. Blade is nice and sharp. I can see why some people say that these PF knifes are most likely made at the same factory as Ganzo FH series. However, the flipper opening on this PF818 doesn’t seem as slick as on my Ganzo FH21. With the FH21, once you get the blade to start unfolding, it will go all the way to the full open position, even with very little effort. With this PF818, if you don’t press the flipper with a lot of force, it will only partially open.

The action and detent strength on mine are pretty good. As I’ve learned with Ganzo, a little variance can spoil a good thing. A weak detent can be tricky and you’ve got to ask yourself if you want to mess with it. However, sticky action can be as simple as a little dirt, grime, or even a little burr in the works.

If you haven’t already, take your PF818 apart for inspection. Clean it thoroughly with isopropyl alcohol. Then wipe down the clean metal surfaces with a light coat of mineral oil for protection. Lubricate the bearings and their contact surfaces with a quality oil such as Lubriplate FMO 350-AW. Then put it together and get the pivot tuned in. Spend some time working the action. See if things improve.

(Note: Like some other budget knives with nested liners, the internal scale edges on my PF818 were a little rough. This is easy to fix while you have the knife apart. Just be sure to mark the location of the back spacer before disassembly. Then use sand paper or an emery board to smooth out the rest of the edge.)

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Good job, congratulations! Which one is the more slicey? Smile
I saw a guy who used one of those plastic bags with a valve and a vacuum cleaner to make home made micarta.

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Good job, congratulations! Which one is the more slicey? Smile
I saw a guy who used one of those plastic bags with a valve and a vacuum cleaner to make home made micarta.


The Mouse is the better slicer and the better knife overall.
An Urban Trapper with inlays instead of onlays would be much more rigid, such a tiny rim around it adds cost, too, so it won’t happen.
Also I think this slim knife would work better with washers than ball bearings, a bigger surface would add stability.
Anyways, I’m glad I’ve bough the B+UT for €50 instead of €100 and more, I’d mod it anyways Wink

The GT Mini Persian flipper is also looking very nice, is that a Slysz design, too?

Do you think the GT Mouse3 would look good to have the flat area anodized in one color and the chamfered areas on the sides in (an)other color(s)?
I was also thinking about using a Q-tip to create a camouflage look.

And about the tartan micarta – I could do it on job, we have the vaccuum machine for it and all the epoxy I’d need.
The personel there is not as friendly as my colleage who worked there, too, but now has his own little company.

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Adahn wrote:

The GT Mini Persian flipper is also looking very nice, is that a Slysz design, too?

Do you think it would look good to have the flat area anodized in one color and the chamfered areas on the sides in (an)other color(s)?
I was also thinking about using a Q-tip to create a camouflage look.

Yes, it is. I`m tempted by that GT Mini Persian and the Rat too. The new Sanrenmu 9201 & 9202 with axis-lock are also tempting. Too many temptations for a small budget! Smile

Something like this color scheme would be interesting:

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The GT Mini Persian flipper is also looking very nice, is that a Slysz design, too?

Do you think it would look good to have the flat area anodized in one color and the chamfered areas on the sides in (an)other color(s)?
I was also thinking about using a Q-tip to create a camouflage look.

Yes, it is. I`m tempted by that GT Mini Persian and the Rat too. The new Sanrenmu 9201 & 9202 with axis-lock are also tempting. Too many temptations for a small budget! Smile

Something like this color scheme would be interesting:
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I’m wondering if that’s all green anodized but due to the angle looking blue on top.
I like that TwoSun knife, nearly shot one on ebay.
When I see the prices today I should’ve done so…

Those SRMs are not my cup of tea though, the tan handle/black blade one is looking like a $5 gas station knife.
Anyways, my knife budget is gone for this year Wink

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^^ Time to prune the dragonfruit…at least the dead ‘wood’! Wink

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^^ Time to prune the dragonfruit…at least the dead ‘wood’! Wink

Yup, LOL. Good catch on that one. Everyone that has come over to visit has no idea what kind of plant it is. Cool

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Those SRMs are not my cup of tea though, the tan handle/black blade one is looking like a $5 gas station knife. Anyways, my knife budget is gone for this year Wink

You can’t say that! That’s the version I’m curious about! LOL
I’m wondering whether that black acid washed finish adds any rust protection to a D2 blade.

My Bestech Lion with D2 blade developed a nasty rust spot while sitting on the shelf which left an ugly pit after removing and refinishing the blade. Angry
It became a user instantly…

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Nice plum color! Thumbs Up
I wish Bestech used 14C28N instead of D2 in their budget line.

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Well, my knives are users anyways, I very much reduced my “collection” so I have less than 10 knives atm.

Thos rust spots are looking familiar though, not from D2 but from Kershaws bead blasted “stainless” steels.
When storing a D2 knife it seems to be better to do it like in old times, wipe it with a thin coat of mineral oil and keep it at a dry place.

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  • Nice plum color! Thumbs Up
    I wish Bestech used 14C28N instead of D2 in their budget line.[/quote]


* Thumbs Up on wanting 14C28 on more budget knives. CJRB uses 12C27 on their Ria model, but D2 on the rest of their budget line.

Regarding the Texel; A friend wanted to buy his girlfriend a knife for self protection. I told him I was going to dye the Texel pink. He wanted a more unique color. A one of a kind color for a knife. He loved how it turned out, and bought it.

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isti242 wrote:
… I’m wondering whether that black acid washed finish adds any rust protection to a D2 blade.

My Bestech Lion with D2 blade developed a nasty rust spot while sitting on the shelf which left an ugly pit after removing and refinishing the blade. … I wish Bestech used 14C28N instead of D2 in their budget line.

I’ve wondered the same thing about “blackwash”. I suppose anything would help? I’ve been a little sad to see D2 take over so much of the budget market due to the low corrosion resistance. I recently got a few spots on my Civivi Exarch, despite taking steps to prevent it.

I have my D2 knives shelved for the summer. I inspect them weekly and wipe with mineral oil as needed. A few weeks ago, I decided to adjust the pivot on my Exarch after wiping it down. I checked for blade play and forget to wipe again. Next week, I took it down and noticed a few hazy rust spots. Looking closely, I see that they were centered around a lone fingerprint on each side. Oops! That’s just ridiculous…

I prefer D2 to 8Cr13Mov at low prices (Kubey, Ganzo, PF, etc.) because you get a big increase in edge retention and only a small decrease in corrosion resistance. Dovetailing with another post, bead-blasting 8Cr13Mov can bring its corrosion resistance down to D2 levels. Like you, I’d much rather have 14C28N. I’m also okay with 12C27. I like 9Cr18Mov when done correctly, such as by Civivi or Real Steel. The Acuto 440 used by Tangram is pretty good too.

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CJRB uses 12C27 on their Ria model, but D2 on the rest of their budget line.

Regarding the Texel; A friend wanted to buy his girlfriend a knife for self protection. I told him I was going to dye the Texel pink. He wanted a more unique color. A one of a kind color for a knife. He loved how it turned out, and bought it.

I was really happy to see CJRB using 12C27 instead of D2 on that one. Keep an eye out though. Artisan recently announced a new budget steel using powdered metallurgy: AR-RPM9. The Ria is one of the models slated to start using it. I don’t know anything about the properties but this could be a good thing.

That Plum Texel looks cool. I still like the lavender best. What colors have you experimented with for jade G10?

As far as self defense, folding knives are not a very good option. It would urge your friend and his girlfriend to do a little research. Real defensive encounters can be messy, chaotic, and quick. Having to get out a folding knife, successfully open and lock it, get a stable grip, and then use it with enough force to be effective without breaking the lock or hurting yourself can present a surprising level of challenge under common circumstances. Fixed blades or even pepper spray can be a much better option. Firearms tend to be the best choice but obviously, there are legal limitations in a lot of places.

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Interesting on that new Artisan Cutlery AR-RPM9 blade steel.

I have only dyed the jade scales I have posted here. No further experimenting.

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Any CJRB owners? Can you comment on the thumbstud deployment action on any of there thumbstud models. Thanks

Fantastic deployment! I highly recommend the CJRB Centros (black), and the CJRB Feldspar large size (purple) to anybody looking for an awesome thumb stud knife. They are the first choices knives I pick when I want to fidget with a knife for hours on end.


I have seven thumb stud knives, and this is how I rate them for deployment action. I start with the number one (best) and go down to last place (#7). But, even number seven is a sweet knife, and will serve you very, very well.

1. CJRB Centros
2. CJRB Feldspar large
3. Real Steel H6 Elegance
4. Ontario RAT 1
5. Sanrenmu LAND 912
6. Ruike 801 -SF
7. Real Steel H6 Limited Edition

I have a bunch of knives, and some were well over 100 dollars, but I can hardly tell any difference between the Ruike 801-sf and the very best of them, I would say the Sanranmu land 9103, 9104, and 910 in both colored scales is butter smooth as well. All my flippers are taken apart for cleaning and better pivot lubricant. You have 5 knives in that list, that deploy easier than the Ruike? I have never had any of them, except the Ruike and the land (the 9103 is now the 912) but they must nearly flip themselves, or the Ruike needs to be taken apart for cleaning, lubricating, and adjusting. The Ruike is still on Amazon for about 30 bucks, which in my opinion makes it the best value knife I know of. The Sanrenmu land knives were when I bought them at Gearbest, while on sale, about 10 bucks each, bought about 40 of them. It is not that the Land is not still as good, but the price has increased substantially where I have seen them sold. I think 21 dollars is the least I have seen lately. The Ruike you listed, which I heard was made at the same Sanrenmu plant, just have enough extra features to be well worth the higher price over the Land. Same caged bearing and stainless steel scales, but slightly better steel in 14c28n vs 12c27, a fipper tab and added blue accents at the pivot and pocket clip. The only advantage the Sanrenmu has is the fact that the pocket clip can be moved to the opposite side. Both brands have the quality, fit, and finish of much more expensive knives. I think the Real steel knives are also made by Sanrenmu. I think 4 out of the 7 knives you listed are made by Sanrenmu. The Lands were their budget brand, the Ruike were their mid-grade knife made for Fenix flashlight company, and Reel Steel were their higher priced knives. Sanrenmu also makes some of the Chinese made knives branded for and sold by Spyderco.

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The new Sanrenmu 9201 & 9202 with axis-lock are also tempting. Too many temptations for a small budget! Smile

Wow! Gorgeous! Do you know if its on balls bearings? If if the answer is no it will be a good reason to save my money. Big Smile

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From my list of seven knives, any one of those knives could easily be someone else’s number one spot. Their all excellent thumb stud openers. My reason for putting the Ruike P801-SF in 6th place is only because the thumb studs are on the smaller size compared to the others, and I have failed deploying the blade on the first attempt, a few times, especially when my hand is wet. Most of the time the P801-SF opens the first attempt, and it opens like greased lightning, very sweet. If I use the flipper tab the P801-SF is awesome, and has never failed me. But, I was comparing thumb stud deployment for my list.

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Anyone here ever come across Asher Knives?
I was really wanting to get one knife with CPM-S35VN steel. I have an S30V and figure it’s pretty close, but I just couldn’t let go. I had toyed with a Kizer… there have been a few models occasionally available at sub $80 prices at White Mountain on sale… and I was about to pull the trigger, when I came across Asher.

This particular model comes in at 3.2” in S35VN. Axis-lock design (probably my favorite, right alongside Arc-Lock). Thumb studs for forward flick action if desired. All at the pleasantly comfortable weight of 3.5oz. So many Chinese knives in this format (3 to 3.5” blade) hit 5oz or more. Looking it over in detail reveals so many nice touches. The standard clip annoyed me, but for just $5 more they offer a deeper carry clip with the bottom edge leveled off. The G-10 has a really nice texture. Steel spacer that’s floating with about 60% coverage (knives with no spacer always annoy me). Asher Knives are designed in Pennsylvania USA and produced in Hong Kong under US supervision. They’ve been in business since 2018. A small but respectable lineup, at very reasonable prices (there’s 20% off for orders above $100)…

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Swabs wrote:
Sarge12,

From my list of seven knives, any one of those knives could easily be someone else’s number one spot. Their all excellent thumb stud openers. My reason for putting the Ruike P801-SF in 6th place is only because the thumb studs are on the smaller size compared to the others, and I have failed deploying the blade on the first attempt, a few times, especially when my hand is wet. Most of the time the P801-SF opens the first attempt, and it opens like greased lightning, very sweet. If I use the flipper tab the P801-SF is awesome, and has never failed me. But, I was comparing thumb stud deployment for my list.

OK, that makes sense, I have often wondered why there are thumb studs at all on the Ruike considering how well the flipper tab functions, it is a bit redundant. It does not stick out enough to snag on my pocket or anything though, so it is not obtrusive like some are. I am a fan of both the Ruike and the Sanrenmu. I know some do not like Sanrenmu because it is so similar to the Chris Reeves Sebenza, but to me that is not an issue. It does not claim to be a Sebenza, nor is it attracting the same customer base. Nobody that really wants a Sebenza is going to just settle for a Sanrenmu Land. The question I have is this, is it worth over 400 dollars added to the price for the titanium scales and S35VN? To me, it is not. I also would hesitate to actually use a knife I paid that much for. I do have some knives that were nearly 200 dollars, but even that is too highly priced for me to regularly use, and sometimes abuse them. That is the beauty of the Ruike and Sanrenmu, they function great as a cutting tool, and I do not hesitate to use them as beaters if I need to. Also do not worry much if I lose one…I have many of them. I understand the collectors that do buy them, I am just not one of those kind of collectors. I could easily afford a Sebenza, it just does not interest me.

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Omega_17 wrote:
isti242 wrote:
The new Sanrenmu 9201 & 9202 with axis-lock are also tempting. Too many temptations for a small budget! Smile

Wow! Gorgeous! Do you know if its on balls bearings? If if the answer is no it will be a good reason to save my money. Big Smile

They’re running on washers (I asked the seller). That’s not a deal breaker for me especially if the knife may see some dust & dirt during use.

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Anyone here ever come across Asher Knives? I was really wanting to get one knife with CPM-S35VN steel. I have an S30V and figure it’s pretty close, but I just couldn’t let go. I had toyed with a Kizer… there have been a few models occasionally available at sub $80 prices at White Mountain on sale… and I was about to pull the trigger, when I came across Asher.

Some nitpicking: Smile
- If weight mattered that much I wouldn’t go for a folder with steel backspacer and full steel liners.
- The heads of the pocket clip screws are protruding. That’s usually a “serious” issue at $25 shipped budget knives. Wink For $80 they could have done better.
- The G10 handle scales look the same as the ones at my Land 910plus to me.

So except the blade steel I can’t see too much novelty here (I’m immune to the “designed in the USA” and “US supervision” marketing propaganda Wink ).
For example in a smaller size the Kizer Fire Ant with S35VN blade and titanium handle looks a better deal to me.

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@xevious
I would pick a Kizer any day over this “unknown” brand.
If S35VN and light weight is what you are looking for, the KI4419 can be had right now on AE for $62, weighs 2.85oz and has 4 aluminum scales colors to chose from.
Ki3404A3 Activ Bantam $82, Ti scales, 3.1oz
There are others in Ti/S35VN that can be had below $100.

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@xevious I would pick a Kizer any day over this “unknown” brand. If S35VN and light weight is what you are looking for …

This is good advice. Sadly, the international market for knives still has a lot of shady territory. Fake steel stamps are a persistent problem. Independent testing by LTK has helped to bust brands like Eafengrow and Fura for trying to pass off 8Cr13Mov, 5Cr15Mov, or worse as D2, S35VN, etc. This has really helped consumers to avoid getting duped. In Eafengrow’s case, they’ve recently responded with a pledge to go legit. (We’ll see if they keep to it.)

The other side of the coin is that this situation makes it hard for new brands. Until they are proven, caution is advised. Inexpensive knives in D2 can be a small gamble but I’d be especially cautious of more expensive knives claiming premium steels like S35VN. Personally, I’d wait until we have confirmation for any new brand.

Right now, we’re in a place where there are several Chinese brands that can be trusted. Kizer is one of them. Kizer maintains a good relationship with the EDC community and has authorized dealers on AliExpress. I have a few Kizers in my EDC rotation and I’ve been very happy with them.

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isti242 wrote:
Some nitpicking: Smile
- If weight mattered that much I wouldn’t go for a folder with steel backspacer and full steel liners.
- The heads of the pocket clip screws are protruding. That’s usually a “serious” issue at $25 shipped budget knives. Wink For $80 they could have done better.
- The G10 handle scales look the same as the ones at my Land 910plus to me.

So except the blade steel I can’t see too much novelty here (I’m immune to the “designed in the USA” and “US supervision” marketing propaganda Wink ).
For example in a smaller size the Kizer Fire Ant with S35VN blade and titanium handle looks a better deal to me.


Fair enough. Here are my responses:

- Weight is relative. I’ve seen higher end brands do knives with back spacers & full liners while achieving a weight lower than a comparable design full Chinese brand knife. I was looking for about 3 to 3.5oz knife with 3.5” (or slightly less) blade in S35VN steel. Much of what I saw offered by Chinese brands was coming in at nearly 2oz more weight. And designs that I wasn’t all that keen for.
- A “serious” issue for clip screws with protruding heads? Screws can always be replaced as they’re usually not proprietary. I don’t foresee a problem with these, but if they bother me I’ll swap out.
- The Land 912 appears to have stainless scales. Did you mean 910?
- You missed the axis lock
- You missed the overall blade shape
- Kizer Fire Ant was something I looked at, but I didn’t want another “box cutter” sheep’s foot style blade. I wanted a drop point. And those are $110.

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Chronovore wrote:
This is good advice. Sadly, the international market for knives still has a lot of shady territory. Fake steel stamps are a persistent problem. Independent testing by LTK has helped to bust brands like Eafengrow and Fura for trying to pass off 8Cr13Mov, 5Cr15Mov, or worse as D2, S35VN, etc. This has really helped consumers to avoid getting duped. In Eafengrow’s case, they’ve recently responded with a pledge to go legit. (We’ll see if they keep to it.)

The other side of the coin is that this situation makes it hard for new brands. Until they are proven, caution is advised. Inexpensive knives in D2 can be a small gamble but I’d be especially cautious of more expensive knives claiming premium steels like S35VN. Personally, I’d wait until we have confirmation for any new brand.

Right now, we’re in a place where there are several Chinese brands that can be trusted. Kizer is one of them. Kizer maintains a good relationship with the EDC community and has authorized dealers on AliExpress. I have a few Kizers in my EDC rotation and I’ve been very happy with them.

Kizer, Artisan, Bestech, and Civivi are overall good knife value brands. Their steel seems trustworthy. But as you head up to WE, Realte, etc., there’s a notable leap up in price.

I’m leery of buying from AliExpress, unless the store is brand aligned. You just don’t know what you end up getting. The feedback system there isn’t all that thorough.

How good is the customer service of brands like Kizer? And when you’re dealing with a company based out of China, it can be costly to send back a knife for servicing.

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isti242 wrote:
Some nitpicking: Smile
- If weight mattered that much I wouldn’t go for a folder with steel backspacer and full steel liners.
- The heads of the pocket clip screws are protruding. That’s usually a “serious” issue at $25 shipped budget knives. Wink For $80 they could have done better.
- The G10 handle scales look the same as the ones at my Land 910plus to me.

So except the blade steel I can’t see too much novelty here (I’m immune to the “designed in the USA” and “US supervision” marketing propaganda Wink ).
For example in a smaller size the Kizer Fire Ant with S35VN blade and titanium handle looks a better deal to me.


Fair enough. Here are my responses:

- Weight is relative. I’ve seen higher end brands do knives with back spacers & full liners while achieving a weight lower than a comparable design full Chinese brand knife. I was looking for about 3 to 3.5oz knife with 3.5” (or slightly less) blade in S35VN steel. Much of what I saw offered by Chinese brands was coming in at nearly 2oz more weight. And designs that I wasn’t all that keen for.
- A “serious” issue for clip screws with protruding heads? Screws can always be replaced as they’re usually not proprietary. I don’t foresee a problem with these, but if they bother me I’ll swap out.
- The Land 912 appears to have stainless scales. Did you mean 910?
- You missed the axis lock
- You missed the overall blade shape
- Kizer Fire Ant was something I looked at, but I didn’t want another “box cutter” sheep’s foot style blade. I wanted a drop point. And those are $110.

Aside from this specific folder sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the double standard about budget folders while watching reviews on Youtube. What is unforgivable sin at a budget knife it’s only a minor detail at a much more expensive one and it could be easily fixed.
I wrote Land 910 plus. Wink
I mentioned the Kizer Fire Ant because of the similar price (it is $94 with free international shipping on Aliexpress at the moment) and the much more premium handle setup.

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xevious wrote:
Kizer, Artisan, Bestech, and Civivi are overall good knife value brands. Their steel seems trustworthy. But as you head up to WE, Realte, etc., there’s a notable leap up in price.

I’m leery of buying from AliExpress, unless the store is brand aligned. You just don’t know what you end up getting. The feedback system there isn’t all that thorough.

How good is the customer service of brands like Kizer? And when you’re dealing with a company based out of China, it can be costly to send back a knife for servicing.

Kizer, Artisan, Bestech, and Civivi are definitely trustworthy.

You’re right about Ali Express. It all depends on the individual sellers over there. The Kizer Knife Store and Kizer Cutlery Store are both authorized dealers. Generally, I’ve had good experiences with the “dispute” system when problems arise on Ali Express.

Kizer maintains a presence on Blade Forums and I’ve had some nice interactions with them over there. I’ve never needed to contact their warranty department. Bestech and Civivi both maintain a US representative for customer service and warranty stuff.

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@xevious
As mentioned above, the 2 Kizer stores on AE are Kizer themselves so you shouldn’t have a problem (I just ordered 2 Kizer knives from there myself that I should have in a few weeks).
I have had many Kizers and never had to use their warranty or ship to China, so I cannot attest for their customer service.
Still, you wanted S35VN, light weight and cheap, so I think the KI4419 at $62 can hardly be bit.
If you’re uncomfortable with AE, it can be bought on BladeHQ for $80. I would still pick that over The Asher. At least, Kizer is a tried and true company.

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