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I think the Civivi Ortis is a great budget option at $40, I got the black blade with OD handle.

I’ve been thinking about getting one. Every Civivi I’ve bought has been flawless.

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I have about 14 mora knives. I bought different color ones and made a display rack . The 4 or 5 I actually use are sharp and so far indestructible.

Since I have OCD I have to buy multiples of everything. Watches, guns , knives , gas masks , swords , medieval helmets , flashlights , guitars (I can’t hardly play) whatever .

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Blackbeard wrote:
I think the Civivi Ortis is a great budget option at $40, I got the black blade with OD handle.

I’ve been thinking about getting one. Every Civivi I’ve bought has been flawless.

I have a bunch of models as well. The only one I found lacking was the fracture which was not very sharp on arrival. I tried to strop it and it got worse, so I had to sharpen it on a stone, a skill which I’m still not very good at. It’s a little better now but I havent used it, kinda bought it on a whim since it was so cheap at $30.

I did have an elementum with a stripped pocket clip screw and the clip would move out of place, was able to order some new screws from them and I loctited them in so it’s good now.

Really like the Ortis, very solid and low cost. it has a similar blade shape to the Dogma, but Dogma has better closing action.

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Can anyone recommend some large Chinese budget fixed knives for me? Something like the Harnds HK5006 (Desert Fox) would be ideal but the only seller with stock since it’s been discontinued wants too much for them. The Brother F001 looks interesting but I’d prefer something larger. Thanks for any help.

 


The Desert Fox is currently $60 on Amazon. What was the going price when it was in production?


 


I ask because if you love the knife and you love the sheath, that might not be terrible. It looks expensive compared to fixed blades in 9Cr18Mov from Schrade, CRKT, etc. but those are junk. My experience with Harnds has been okay. Compare it to decent fixed blades in 9Cr18Mov from Real Steel or Steel Will: https://www.bladehq.com/cat—Fixed-Blade-Knives—179#/filter:price:40:90/filter:blade_material:9Cr18MoV


 


Beyond that, do you have any preferences regarding steel, sheath type, etc.? For another $10, you could get a Ruike Jager. The Jager is a very nice fixed blade. It’s a little more compact but still a good size. I prefer that kind of sheath for regular carry. It’s also 14C28N. Its particular balance of toughness, edge retention, and corrosion resistance makes 14C28N a great choice for fixed blades.

It was about $48-52 at FastTech and had been as low as $40 on Amazon at one point.

It shows its unavailable to me on Amazon, maybe they don’t send knives here or something.

I actually ended up buying it after telling myself I wouldn’t because it’s too much, with 10% GST (tax) it ended up costing about US$80 which is a lot more than I wanted to pay.

Some of those Steel Will knives look very interesting however shipping from the US is a deal killer, plus taxes and currency conversion. I just found they don’t ship to Australia as well trying to see what the total would be.

Anything from the US is pretty much out of the question though as most places charge $50+ just for shipping to Aus.

I ended up getting a few of the Tonife Squirrel knives as well just for small tasks, the company that owns Harnds owns Tonife as well.

I emailed Harnds and have found out Flyer Industrial Co. Is the parent company and aside from making Harnds and Tonife they also manufacture CRKT, Boker and others. They said Simlar knives they OEM for US companies sell for $150+ just due to branding.

He also mentioned that the Desert Fox was such a popular knife that they are considering bringing it back next year using a different steel.

Anyway, I spent about x4 as much as I intended to on knives (I originally only wanted 1) so that will have to do for a long while.

I broke my favourite knife earlier this year and have been looking for something to replace it ever since so this will be an excellent replacement I’m sure.

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I thought I remember a few folks looking for this. TwoSun TS128-S90V is back in stock at White Mountain Knives. $99 Free shipping too. Nice for the US folks not wanting to wait on overseas shipping.

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Found this huge D2 knife. Question is if it’s real D2 or some cheap Chinese junk steel.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000708305295.html

Edit:
Another one. In the headline it’s D2, description says 8CR18MOV. Guess both are 8CR18MOV.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000836392692.html

Do you think the first is worth 30 usd with 8CR18MOV steel?

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RapidLux wrote:
Found this huge D2 knife. Question is if it’s real D2 or some cheap Chinese junk steel.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000708305295.html

Edit:
Another one. In the headline it’s D2, description says 8CR18MOV. Guess both are 8CR18MOV.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000836392692.html

Do you think the first is worth 30 usd with 8CR18MOV steel?


Never heard 8Cr18MoV, old 13, 14 or 19.

Anyways, it’s marketed as an outdoor knife. I’d prefer 8Cr13Mov to D2 in wet or humid conditions.
Also 8Cr should be easier to resharpen with simple tools like a flat stone if there’s nothing else at hand.

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RapidLux wrote:
Found this huge D2 knife. Question is if it’s real D2 or some cheap Chinese junk steel.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000708305295.html

Edit:
Another one. In the headline it’s D2, description says 8CR18MOV. Guess both are 8CR18MOV.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000836392692.html

Do you think the first is worth 30 usd with 8CR18MOV steel?

Who knows…

I have been reviewing Chinese knives for over 5 years, always from good Chinese brands, on my blog and YouTube channel, and one thing I recommend is that you always buy from reputable and revised Chinese brands, so that you do not get a bad surprise.

You can see some of my reviews and they can help you in these purchases.

Greetings!

My reviews about knives: : http://chinese-knives.blogspot.com/

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Seller on Ebay has a 2pc lot of new Sanrenmu 710’s for $29, free shipping. I have a few of these and they are very nice little frame locks if you don’t mind tip down carry.

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Bestech Ivy. Different colors. S35VN I think it’s new. New to me anyway.

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PM2 Ti S30V on Ceramic Bearings, Clone,Copy,Fake, whatever…So Damn Smooth

http://imgur.com/gallery/8sHqVgI

http://imgur.com/a/mikU1KE

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To me, the most important part of knife quality is the blade steel/heat treatment.  There have been budget knives that caught my eye in the past (like the Ken Onion-designed Kershaw knives, for example) but poor edge retention always has them in the back of my knife drawer after a while.  And I shouldn't say "poor" edge retention; just less edge retention than the premium blades I have.

And edge retention shouldn't even be an issue...  I have a great selection of sharpening gear and enjoy putting a shaving sharp edge on my blades.  But the premium blades have spoiled me, and I seldom buy anything less than a Benchmade or Spyderco that attracts my attention (I did buy an interesting Kershaw/Ken Onion Leek because it offered a D2 steel edge fused to the milder stainless blade).

I'm starting to see more "budget" knives advertising premium blade steels and my knife-buying budget has shrunk considerably since I retired, so I'll be taking a much better look at budget knives.

 

 

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desmobob wrote:

To me, the most important part of knife quality is the blade steel/heat treatment.  There have been budget knives that caught my eye in the past (like the Ken Onion-designed Kershaw knives, for example) but poor edge retention always has them in the back of my knife drawer after a while.  And I shouldn't say "poor" edge retention; just less edge retention than the premium blades I have.

And edge retention shouldn't even be an issue...  I have a great selection of sharpening gear and enjoy putting a shaving sharp edge on my blades.  But the premium blades have spoiled me, and I seldom buy anything less than a Benchmade or Spyderco that attracts my attention (I did buy an interesting Kershaw/Ken Onion Leek because it offered a D2 steel edge fused to the milder stainless blade).

I'm starting to see more "budget" knives advertising premium blade steels and my knife-buying budget has shrunk considerably since I retired, so I'll be taking a much better look at budget knives.

 

I mostly carry budget knives. As a result, I look for "budget gems" that perform well at a great price. In my experience, edge retention on Chinese D2 is okay but largely overrated. The low corrosion resistance is an issue for me as well. I'm much happier with VG-10 or N690. I also prefer 14C28N to Chinese D2. I think 9Cr18Mov is okay from a company that treats it well (Civivi and Real Steel are good examples). Artisan recently developed a powder metallurgy version of 9Cr18Mov (AR-RPM9) that could have advantages. Knives in AR-RPM9 are just starting to hit retailers.

 

A good resource for evaluating steels from different manufacturers is Outpost 76 on YouTube. He does well-controlled cut-testing. He also sharpens down past the factory edges before testing and repeats testing with subsequent edges to get consistent results. He and a few other testers have noted issues with a couple of those premium-steel budget knives but you'd have to look into the specifics.

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Chronovore wrote:
 A good resource for evaluating steels from different manufacturers is Outpost 76 on YouTube. He does well-controlled cut-testing. He also sharpens down past the factory edges before testing and repeats testing with subsequent edges to get consistent results. He and a few other testers have noted issues with a couple of those premium-steel budget knives but you'd have to look into the specifics.

 

Thanks for that bit of information!   That's just the kind of thing I'd look for, and enjoy watching.

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chooma wrote:
PM2 Ti S30V on Ceramic Bearings, Clone,Copy,Fake, whatever…So Damn Smooth

http://imgur.com/gallery/8sHqVgI

http://imgur.com/a/mikU1KE


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US $88.11 11%OFF | Titanium Knife C81 PM2 9Cr18Mov Blade Ti Handle Pocket Knives
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtWsqnr

This is not where I bought mine. The link is dead to the one I bought with S30V.
This is the only other link I found.

EDIT: I just got a response from the store I bought from. They said there store needs to close for 1 month then they will re-open.

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Pretty sure the s30v is just a stamp and the blade steel is actually 9cr18mov. Never seen a legit s30v china knife.. s35vn, s90v, m390, s110v have seen though.

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My budget EDC is the Rick Hinderer XM-18.

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Any clue how good/bad can this/these be?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001186651134.html
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- SHARPNESS AND DURABILITY: Made of 8Cr13 MoV stainless steel, its hardness reach 50-60HRC hardness after 1050° heating and 450°secondary hardening. Good durability and hardness helps to easily cut fruit.

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I only buy budget knives these days. I can’t remember one time in the last 70 years when my life depended on a knife regardless of its quality or origin . No grizzly bear attacks , no fighting off a group of angry bikers , no having to cut my arm off because it was stuck under a rock .

Plus if you have to leave it stuck in a bad guy you won’t mind loosing it so much

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MascaratumB wrote:
Any clue how good/bad can this/these be? …

Here are two clues:


1. 8Cr13Mov – This is not a very good steel. Sure, it’s usually better than junk like 3Cr13 or AUS-6. It’s just not good. Of course, it might be reasonable for the sub-$10 price tag but…


2. Hardness range of 50-60HRC – That’s a huge range! Hardness ranges are usually given within two to three units, not ten. That alone is pretty discouraging. Now consider that the target HRC for 8Cr13Mov is usually 58-60. Most of the knives I’ve seen tested in 8Cr13Mov are at least 56HRC. The median for this knife would be pretty bad. Now imagine if you got one on the low side! Even Walmart’s ultra-cheap Ozark Trail knives in 3Cr13 should be at least 52HRC.

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Here is one clue. Victorinox SAKs are made with a steel comparable to the 420 series, even “worse” than 8Cr13MoV.

So what? Slim blade, glides through anything you want to cut with such a tiny knife.
When it’s getting dull, sharpen it with the backside of a cup or plate and you’re fine.
They are considered great knives and sell well, and hey, they never rust.

Get yourself a Vic, or try this one for couriosity. You won’t cut tires or a fence with it.
And guess what, it the times before stainless steel when people didn’t want their fruit to get the nasty taste of iron they used brass blades (the rich ones gold).
Now check the HRC on that. Still worked well.

Don’t worry so much, you might have more knives than you can ever get dull anyways Wink

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I think supersteels are not meant for ordinary knives, but for some industrial knives and special needs. S35VN is considered as the ideal knife steel. Going beyond this is mostly for enthusiasts.

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MascaratumB wrote:
Any clue how good/bad can this/these be? …

Here are two clues:


1. 8Cr13Mov – This is not a very good steel. Sure, it’s usually better than junk like 3Cr13 or AUS-6. It’s just not good. Of course, it might be reasonable for the sub-$10 price tag but…

Don’t you know?! As soon as mainstream American knife companies start to use a Chinese budget steel in their “cost efficient” model lines, that steel suddenly becomes an officially good one! Wink
Anyway I can’t see any problem with 8Cr13MoV for regular EDC tasks. Depending on the design I would consider a knife with that blade steel to buy below the $30 mark although there are plenty of alternatives with D2 or even with 12C27 blade in the $20 – $30 segment.

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Those little “fruit” knives really look like some sort of one bladed Victorinox SAK Evil

btw, Mascaratum, my latest knife purchase is a Portuguese “opinel” from José da Cruz, they are very good Thumbs Up

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isti242 wrote:
Don’t you know?! As soon as mainstream American knife companies start to use a Chinese budget steel in their “cost efficient” model lines, that steel suddenly becomes an officially good one! Wink

A quick visit to US knife forums would argue otherwise.

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btw, Mascaratum, my latest knife purchase is a Portuguese “opinel” from José da Cruz, they are very good Thumbs Up

Well those are pretty.

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Former 'budget' knives for my New Zealand bush walks.

 

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RapidLux wrote:
I think supersteels are not meant for ordinary knives, but for some industrial knives and special needs. S35VN is considered as the ideal knife steel. Going beyond this is mostly for enthusiasts.
isti242 wrote:
... I can't see any problem with 8Cr13MoV for regular EDC tasks. Depending on the design I would consider a knife with that blade steel to buy below the $30 mark although there are plenty of alternatives with D2 or even with 12C27 blade in the $20 - $30 segment.

In my experience, 8Cr13Mov is definitely better than 3Cr13, 5Cr15, cheap 420, etc. However, edge retention is usually worse than 12C27, 14C28N, AUS-8, Acuto 440, 9Cr18Mov, Chinese D2, etc. Of course, that's all anecdotal from my regular EDC use.

 

Have I turned you guys on to Outpost 76's YouTube channel? He does controlled cut testing on different knives and different steels. He has been doing it for a while, using a standard edge on a standard medium with a taped off section of blade. He sharpens down several edges to start with fresh steel and then tests subsequent edges to get repeatable results.

 

His results have confirmed my experiences with some of these steels. Coincidentally, I sent him some 9Cr18Mov for a recent test. Not only did it smoke a lot of the Chinese D2, it did as well as some of the production-level S35VN and M390. That might seem insane but it says a lot about composition vs heat treatment. Steels like 9Cr18Mov and 14C28N are both decent in composition and well-suited to big-batch heat treatment. S35VN and M390 have more impressive compositions but they require a lot more care in their heat treatments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MGsyodJkI

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You must encounter some big bushed in New Zealand

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Any other black Friday deals out there?
I’ve carried one or two for a couple of years now and even the 8CR model holds a decent edge.
I just bought a bunch more for gifts.

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