I want to purchase a FireFox FF4 60 WATT HID. Need help please?

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I want to purchase a FireFox FF4 60 WATT HID. Need help please?

Hi all,
I read several reviews on the FF4 and it seems almost too good to be true.

So, far Banggood has them for about $215 shipped with BLF coupon code.
http://www.banggood.com/Fire-Foxes-FF4-6000LM-Xenon-60w-HID-Flashlight-Photography-Fill-Light-p-917622.html

Is there another place that sells them for less?

I would also like a spare bulb. Where can I get this bulb? or what is it called/SKU ?

Bulb America has $2 shipping and its fast for us in the USA. Hopefully they carry the spare bulb.
https://www.bulbamerica.com/pages/high-intensity-discharge

My goal is to have a coat friendly light that can generate 400K lux and the 7000ish lumens this FF4 produces seems almost too good to be true that I have to see it for myself.

Thank you,
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i sent you a PM with the “correct” prices Wink

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This was my favourite light before I finally sold it. Definitely a good choice, just make sure you use some good 18650s! Reasonable flood and powerful throw makes it a very useful light for large areas.

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I frequent a 15 acre horse farm and with lots of open flat land its hard for my 2D Maglite MTG2 with 104K lux to show properly illuminate past 200 yards. I can see just not make things out as much as I like.

Now the 60WATT variant is it the same bulb?

Wondering if its worth the 5WATT more.

I would prefer to purchase the 60 WATT variant and then purchase the 65WATT bulb to drop-in to test back to back.

bigC

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Um.. does anyone ever advise you that HID takes awhile to reach their full potential power and after that it’s only last about few minutes before it shutdown due to heat?
how about nitecore TM36?.. you can see way past 200 yards Wink

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Um.. does anyone ever advise you that HID takes awhile to reach their full potential power and after that it’s only last about few minutes before it shutdown due to heat? how about nitecore TM36?.. you can see way past 200 yards Wink

Al those Fenix super throwers with XML2’s even dedomed and pushed at 6A just are not as impressive to me….yeah, you get 400K lux on some or more, but with 1500 OTF lumens in years past I would be impressed. However, now with my MTG2’s at 40~45watts with over 100K lux, its just no contest. Hence; why I gave up on LED’s for now.

Moving my focus to hotwires and HID.

bigC

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I strongly considered an FF4 and continue to do so. There was some talk about an FF5 with active cooling and other upgrades. If you look over at the other place, there are many complaints about reliability and inherent design flaws/limitations. IMO, its not ready for prime time and still needs a lot of work. Hopefully the FF5 will come to fruition one of these days, or someone builds a reliable similar HID in the same price range and form factor.

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I’ll trade your MAG MTG-2 with my 10” HID spotlight if you want Big Smile

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Bigchelis wrote:
DayLighter wrote:
Um.. does anyone ever advise you that HID takes awhile to reach their full potential power and after that it’s only last about few minutes before it shutdown due to heat? how about nitecore TM36?.. you can see way past 200 yards Wink

Al those Fenix super throwers with XML2’s even dedomed and pushed at 6A just are not as impressive to me….yeah, you get 400K lux on some or more, but with 1500 OTF lumens in years past I would be impressed. However, now with my MTG2’s at 40~45watts with over 100K lux, its just no contest. Hence; why I gave up on LED’s for now.

Moving my focus to hotwires and HID.

bigC

Really??!! My TK61vn V4 is ~ 750Kcd and ~ 1800/2000 lumens,,,,,,,,,,,,you can’t beat the throw for an LED reflector based light. HID or LED, I do not think you can get a combo of 700Kcd and 5000 Lumens.

My favorite is the TK75vn,,,,,~ 3500 lumens and 341Kcd

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Or buy or mod a Lightforce 240 Blitz and upgrade the HID to 50w / 80w /100w and a LiPo belt pack, if size is no object.

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
Bigchelis wrote:
DayLighter wrote:
Um.. does anyone ever advise you that HID takes awhile to reach their full potential power and after that it’s only last about few minutes before it shutdown due to heat? how about nitecore TM36?.. you can see way past 200 yards Wink

Al those Fenix super throwers with XML2’s even dedomed and pushed at 6A just are not as impressive to me….yeah, you get 400K lux on some or more, but with 1500 OTF lumens in years past I would be impressed. However, now with my MTG2’s at 40~45watts with over 100K lux, its just no contest. Hence; why I gave up on LED’s for now.

Moving my focus to hotwires and HID.

bigC

Really??!! My TK61vn V4 is ~ 750Kcd and ~ 1800/2000 lumens,,,,,,,,,,,,you can’t beat the throw for an LED reflector based light. HID or LED, I do not think you can get a combo of 700Kcd and 5000 Lumens.

My favorite is the TK75vn,,,,,~ 3500 lumens and 341Kcd

Ok the Vinh TK61 does a lot of lux but I don’t see 2000 OTF Lumens from it. Maybe 1500 OTF

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I knew Alex GT would chime in.
Seriously Big C, order the darn light and pay for extra fast shipping with tracking. You could have a FF4 in your hands in a week and be wearing an ear to ear grin.
Just do it. Stop beating around the bush.
Is it that good?
Yes!

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Oh. And most importantly the FF4 in BLF reviews does over 7K OTF Lumens

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AlexGT wrote:
Or buy or mod a Lightforce 240 Blitz and upgrade the HID to 50w / 80w /100w and a LiPo belt pack, if size is no object.

!http://www.eurooptic.com/images/products/Lightforce-35W-HID-Handheld-Spot-Light.jpg!

That’s freaking cool but it’s not a flashlight anymore. Not my style but I bet it does serous Lux

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I wouldn’t get too concerned about having an extra bulb for the FF4. Normal life span is 1000-2000 hours depending on how hard you push it. I do not think 1000 hours total burn time at 40 watt setting is unreasonable.
The bulb alignment in the reflector is crucial and this is something you want a highly trained and meticulous type of factory tech/optical assembly expert to tackle.

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LumenHound wrote:
I wouldn’t get too concerned about having an extra bulb for the FF4. Normal life span is 1000-2000 hours depending on how hard you push it. I do not think 1000 hours total burn time at 40 watt setting is unreasonable.
The bulb alignment in the reflector is crucial and this is something you want a highly trained and meticulous type of factory tech/optical assembly expert to tackle.

In other words, no need to be overly concerned about reduced HID bulb longevity.
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I have an FF4 too. It does project a very bright, very far and wide beam of glorious light…. more than any multi-emitter light I own (stock and modified).

But…if it’s the only light you will own (and I doubt it is), then it’s an impractical beast to use as it eats batteries like crazy with a 2000-lumen low mode and can fry an egg..

A flashaholic should own a good HID though..it’s a different animal, so to speak.

Go for it

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Low mode-24 watts-is about 3000 lumens. Not 2000 lumens.
40 watt mode mode is a generous 5000+ lumens.

And yes, help me convince Big C that it is a wonderful flashlight.
Thanks Tatasol!

Glad that you like yours, It’s a beast if you need it.

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LumenHound wrote:
Low mode-24 watts-is about 3000 lumens. Not 2000 lumens. 40 watt mode mode is a generous 5000+ lumens.

Yes, I am aware that it exceeds the factory rating of a 2000-lumen low mode @ 24w, as well as the other modes for that matter, as tested by RDfronty, if I remember right.

Thanks for the concern.

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As a former owner of this light, the 60W version, it was great, but has some serious issues;

1. Lots of issues with the battery carrier for many people.  I had to send mine back for repair.

2. You can only enter turbo ONCE after which you must turn the light off in order to enter it again.

3. In a warm environment even the low mode will get too hot.

4. Eats batteries fast.

5. Once you do a turbo run, you will need to allow it to cool down.

6. If the light gets HOT, you will want to turn it off, preferably take batteries out, and it will actually get hotter before it cools off, so it's out of commission for ~10 minutes or so.

7. Like all HIDs it needs to warm up.

Don't get me wrong, I like it, and I certainly don't regret buying one, but having had it, I can't help but to think LED lights are superior in most applications.

If an FF5 with active cooling, and carrying 8 batteries instead of 4 came out, I would grab one, but until then the FF4 just isn't practical to me.

 

As an alternative, I very strongly suggest getting an Acebeam X60, dedomed, and with a current bump.  You'll get ~6000 lumens from it, and ~500kcd.

A modded RC40 would also work, but the price tag would be steeper, and output not quite as high.

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InfinitusEquitas wrote:

As a former owner of this light, the 60W version, it was great, but has some serious issues;

1. Lots of issues with the battery carrier for many people.  I had to send mine back for repair.

2. You can only enter turbo ONCE after which you must turn the light off in order to enter it again.

3. In a warm environment even the low mode will get too hot.

4. Eats batteries fast.

5. Once you do a turbo run, you will need to allow it to cool down.

6. If the light gets HOT, you will want to turn it off, preferably take batteries out, and it will actually get hotter before it cools off, so it’s out of commission for ~10 minutes or so.

7. Like all HIDs it needs to warm up.

Don’t get me wrong, I like it, and I certainly don’t regret buying one, but having had it, I can’t help but to think LED lights are superior in most applications.

If an FF5 with active cooling, and carrying 8 batteries instead of 4 came out, I would grab one, but until then the FF4 just isn’t practical to me.

 

As an alternative, I very strongly suggest getting an Acebeam X60, dedomed, and with a current bump.  You’ll get ~6000 lumens from it, and ~500kcd.

A modded RC40 would also work, but the price tag would be steeper, and output not quite as high.

Wow! That is a lot of negatives! I learned more about HID lights by reading your post and others.

I would NOT even consider one just on these THREE points alone!

2. You can only enter turbo ONCE after which you must turn the light off in order to enter it again.

3. In a warm environment even the low mode will get too hot.

6. If the light gets HOT, you will want to turn it off, preferably take batteries out, and it will actually get hotter before it cools off, so it’s out of commission for ~10 minutes or so.

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Environment molds a person. Perseverance changes them. 

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Bigchelis wrote:
wolfdog1226 wrote:
Bigchelis wrote:
DayLighter wrote:
Um.. does anyone ever advise you that HID takes awhile to reach their full potential power and after that it’s only last about few minutes before it shutdown due to heat? how about nitecore TM36?.. you can see way past 200 yards Wink

Al those Fenix super throwers with XML2’s even dedomed and pushed at 6A just are not as impressive to me….yeah, you get 400K lux on some or more, but with 1500 OTF lumens in years past I would be impressed. However, now with my MTG2’s at 40~45watts with over 100K lux, its just no contest. Hence; why I gave up on LED’s for now.

Moving my focus to hotwires and HID.

bigC

Really??!! My TK61vn V4 is ~ 750Kcd and ~ 1800/2000 lumens,,,,,,,,,,,,you can’t beat the throw for an LED reflector based light. HID or LED, I do not think you can get a combo of 700Kcd and 5000 Lumens.

My favorite is the TK75vn,,,,,~ 3500 lumens and 341Kcd

Ok the Vinh TK61 does a lot of lux but I don’t see 2000 OTF Lumens from it. Maybe 1500 OTF

It is more than “Maybe 1500 OTF” and probably 100 lumens or so under my 2000 estimate. Wink

Mine is updated from the V1.9 “Prototype” and is the “V4” version.It has a revised driver I believe RMM designed with thermal protection and driven a little more. It is probably 1800 to 1900 OTF! Hopefully Justin will get this version to test and verify output.

Here are Justins[JMPaul320] measurements of the PROTOTYPE.

Fenix Tk61vn V1.9 prototype
Samsung 20r
1630@ turn on
1554@ 30 sec
920 high
531 mid
189 low
Throw – 741,000 lux

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which differences are between the 60W and the newer 65W version ?

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M4D M4X wrote:
which differences are between the 60W and the newer 65W version ?

I was PM by the maker of Firefox via Facebox.

Other than the cosmetic changes which are minimal. They use the same exact bulb and its said to drive the bulb slightly more current with the 65WATT difference. I was also told lux is unchanged and the lumen output is negligible.

Best,
bigC

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That would make the 60W version more appealing if anything.

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M4D M4X wrote:
which differences are between the 60W and the newer 65W version ?

I once saw a photo of the 65w version and noticed that it has a stainless steel bezel, though I’m not 100% on that.

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tatasal wrote:
M4D M4X wrote:
which differences are between the 60W and the newer 65W version ?
I once saw a photo of the 65w version and noticed that it has a stainless steel bezel, though I'm not 100% on that.

That's basically it.

On the 60W version there is threading though, so you can use a camera lens cover.  You can probably just unscrew the steel bezel.

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InfinitusEquitas wrote:

As a former owner of this light, the 60W version, it was great, but has some serious issues;

1. Lots of issues with the battery carrier for many people.  I had to send mine back for repair.

2. You can only enter turbo ONCE after which you must turn the light off in order to enter it again.

3. In a warm environment even the low mode will get too hot.

4. Eats batteries fast.

5. Once you do a turbo run, you will need to allow it to cool down.

6. If the light gets HOT, you will want to turn it off, preferably take batteries out, and it will actually get hotter before it cools off, so it’s out of commission for ~10 minutes or so.

7. Like all HIDs it needs to warm up.

Don’t get me wrong, I like it, and I certainly don’t regret buying one, but having had it, I can’t help but to think LED lights are superior in most applications.

If an FF5 with active cooling, and carrying 8 batteries instead of 4 came out, I would grab one, but until then the FF4 just isn’t practical to me.

 

As an alternative, I very strongly suggest getting an Acebeam X60, dedomed, and with a current bump.  You’ll get ~6000 lumens from it, and ~500kcd.

A modded RC40 would also work, but the price tag would be steeper, and output not quite as high.

You have identical issues I face with my MTG2 copper custom builds. Run hot, too hot to hold after 3~5min, drain cells fast at 5A~7A.

The only difference you mentioned is the battery carrier needing service, but other than that I have exact same issues with my 40~50WATT MTG2 2D Mag builds. That’s why I carry 2 of them in my Wrangler. Use one for a couple minutes, than the other to let the first one cool. Kinda annoying to do it this way, so nothing new here.

Ill look into the ACEBEAM X60. thanks,
bigC

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X60 also can't be left running on turbo indefinitely.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any ~3500+ lumen light that can be left on at turbo without overheating, or having the light turn itself down (TK76 for example will turn itself down if it's getting too hot, or batteries are running low).

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don’t buy the X60 or X60M without asking… Wink

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X60 also can’t be left running on turbo indefinitely.  Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be any ~3500+ lumen light that can be left on at turbo without overheating, or having the light turn itself down (TK76 for example will turn itself down if it’s getting too hot, or batteries are running low).

My TK75vn KT is “close” to 3500 lumens/341Kcd.

Fenix Tk75vn XML2 PDT KT burn in edition
Sony vtc5
3184@ turn on

In the summer I run it 15 to 20 minutes on turbo. Dial down to Medium or Low for 3 minutes,,,,,,,,right back to Turbo again if I want.

In the Fall, Winter and most of the Spring I can run it on turbo for the duration of the battery charge…..Minus split second step downs!

I guess “close” does not count except for horseshoes and hand grenades! lol!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Close enough for me!

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