3 X D cell X2 Zooming Light @ Tmart

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Four AA cells will just fit in the tube. A dozen white Eneloops from Battery Junction is $32.95 plus shipping, just a little more than the three D cells cost. It would then need conducting spacers at front and back to make up the length and contact the spring and center connector.
Or 4 AAAs is shorter than 3Ds by 4.7 mm. 4 S x 8 P AAAs would fit at around $2 per cell + $20 for four 8 cell chargers. The extra voltage would make it brighter and stay bright longer.
Or if one can get it open and do a heavy mod. it could take a buck driver and 2 × 26650, with some padding, or whatever other sizes one had from battery pack pulls.
I am now charging the Tenergy D cells, then I will cycle them. The positive contacts on my charger are not iron, so I am using cork to hold thin contacts against them.
After penetrating oil, the head still doesn’t screw apart with my hands.
With the cells charged to about 1.4 V by my LiitoKala, I get 1.4 A, similar to with nearly fresh alkalines.
I am starting to cycle them.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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I came across 4xAA adapters recently — searching, I see Garrybunk started a thread here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/12119
The ones I got almost but don’t quite fit this 3xD zoomie, but probably could be carved down (the end disks are a bit too large diameter)

Oh, and in packing the 3xD to send back to Tmart, I notice a hole punched through both the mailer bag and the crushed white box at one end.
I suspect the head of the light got stepped on badly; looking closely, the red ring on the lens end is a bit squeezed on one side.
Tmart has really terrible packaging — a thin plastic mail envelope with no bubblewrap or anything, just plastic film.

The light comes in a thin white cardboard box — and they’d half-wrapped that — leaving an inch or so of the cardboard box at each end unprotected — with a slab of bubblewrap taped around the middle.

I’m going to pad it rather better for the return mail and keep photographs.

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I cycled two of the three cells. My charger measured capacity on discharge. I got 8.4 Ah for one and 6.8 Ah for the other. These are supposed to be 10 Ah cells, so they do appear to have suffered from long storage. I will cycle the 6.8 one again while I cycle the third cell.
The second time I cycled the poorer cell it held only 5.5 Ah. The third one held 9.0 Ah. Maybe I will contact Battery Junction about the poorest one.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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Which charger gives that capacity info for D-size NiMH?
I’ve been meaning to add wires to my Maha MH-C9000 or find an adapter to check the ones I have.

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It is a LiitoKala Engineer LII-300. D cells don’t fit and the positive contact is not iron, so I use a cork to hold a plate against the positive contact and clip wires to the plate and to the negative slide contact. I then use magnets to contact the cells. It discharges at half an amp. and only does two at a time, so it has taken days. For some reason that I don’t understand, mine leaves the cell in an uncharged state and I have to charge it in an extra step. It is nothing like an ideal setup, but I think the capacities it measures are accurate.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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After cycling the stronger two cells once and the weaker one twice, I read 1.38 A at the tail, visibly increasing when I short the leads together. With the tail spring braided, the actual on current is clearly slightly more than this, and there is still no sign of regulation.
So, now its output is within a factor of two of the rated output on an XM-L, with a run time something like five or ten hours before it drops to half that output or a bit less.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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Dang Fritz, that sucker is loud! I wasn’t expecting that. I guess they have one of those haptic motors in there. Its a great idea, not sure about the execution.
Can it be overridden manually?? Doesn’t seem that way.

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It isn’t really very loud, maybe like a digital camera. No, I don’t see any way of operating it manually.

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All-Battery.com now lists the grey Tenergy D cells as available: https://www.all-battery.com/nimhdsize10000mahhighcapacityrechargeablebat... (Item Number: 10103-0), for $9.84.
The Tenergy site says “Capable of high continuous drain of 30A.”

I complained about the worst blue/blue cell being too far below the 10 Ah advertized capacity, and Battery Junction agreed to send a new cell. I think they are all putting out way less current than they should, but I don’t have a good way to test that.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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Got my Tmart refund once they received the nonworking light, and they supplied the mailing label/postage. Can’t complain.
(Well, except that if they’d bothered to put padding over the ends of the box instead of only wrapping some around the middle, it might not have been broken by the time it arrived, sigh)

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Yes, if it had been mailed from China, it would have been protected by flat blister wrap, lol. Why don’t you try again?

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Not going to order another one just yet — though if anyone gets the thing apart successfully and finds it can be modded, I might — yeah, I will — be tempted.
I suspect I’d want to put in a better (quieter) motor, and expect to find cheap plastic gears too.

But I am now provoked to start looking for 3C- and 3D-cell flashlights more generally.

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The plastic cover in the back of the head unscrews, and the driver lifts out.

It doesn’t look like it can be taken apart without separating the head into two pieces. We see wires, the motor, the driver, the mechanical switch, a wire to the electronic switch and another plastic separator. Clearly this thing would be challenging to mod.

The driver has a sort of mezzanine floor on it. It is also the motor controller.

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Some more auto-zooms:

http://wallbuys.com/Product/W00151-Cree-XM-L-T6-White-800LM-Zooming-Flas...
http://wallbuys.com/Product/X31-Cree-XM-L-T6-White-1200LM-Flashlightgrey...

And the 3 x D auto-zoom with an adapter/charger:

Here is a 4 x D cell light. That should be good with NiMHs, an XM-L, etc. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hugsby-E4-4-x-LR20-D-Size-Alkaline-Battery-CREE-XR-E-Q3-Max-230-Lumens/362629722.html?tracelog=back_to_detail_a

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With the cells topped up and reading 1.40, 1.43 and 1.45 V, I measure 1.57 A. It gets brighter when I short the meter leads together, showing that the current with the braided tail in place may be near to 2 V and that regulation is only by resistance.
It is not as bright as my modified 18650 lights, but brighter than a stock 26650 zoomy I have.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
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Once you start collecting D-cells, you start looking for uses.
Here’s a 3xD camping lantern just offered recently: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/39034

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The replacement cell measured 1.27 V out of the package and 5.3 Ah on it first cycle. I an not very confident that my measurements correspond to the advertized (10 Ah) capacity. But it does appear that these cells have suffered from long storage.
I don’t think that makes a lot of difference in the brightness of this 3 x D cell light. The alkalines and NiMHs give similar current readings when fully charged.

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I ordered a second example to replace the one I gave away. The zoom does not work. Tmart live service asked me to send videos. They have not responded in a few days after I sent them.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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I wonder if they sold you the one I returned!
Or more likely it’s a common failure.

I think I told the story above, it took a few days and a little incomprehension followed by an internal referral within Tmart before the emailed me the postage paid return label.

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I was thinking maybe the sensors, but now I see there is a flat spot in the outer head and a dimple in the red layer, at the upper left.

Tmart has promised to send a mailing label.
It looks like it might be fixable, if the head would come apart.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
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Huh. That’s not the one I returned, but it looks very much liket the same kind of damage.

Did they send it in thin white paper box in a plastic bag, with a bit of padding wrapped around the middle but no padding at the head or tail end?
The one I got had been dinged so hard the plastic bag and the thin box both had holes in them that lined up with the damage on the light.

I guess the message is, these are danged fragile at best.

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Yes, it is not just Tmart’s packaging. A Convoy or an SK-68 might have shown a dent, but it would have worked fine. Something so fragile should be easier to take apart.
A three year old dropping my first one only made a small scratch, but that is not far to fall.

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Another X2 came today. There was still no outer bubble wrap on the ends, but I guess they didn’t drop it, cause it works. They were out of grey ones, so I got a black one. It is just as impressive and even a bit cheaper. Tmart sent me a payed mailing label and gave me a full refund for the second one, when I insisted I didn’t want 70% capability for 70% of the price.
I measure 1.1 A with three alkalines at 1.51 V

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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