New XP-L High Intensity Emitter

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I’d have to order some Nichia’s again for this, but I’d be alright doing that. But is it not easier ordering the Nichia leds yourself at leds.de? They take Paypal, I just would not know how much the shipping is to the States.

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LUMITRONIX LED-Technik GmbH doesnot ship to this location. Please use a different address.

If it’s a hassle or takes awhile to order again I can wait for them to come to mtn or intloutdoor, it’s not a big deal. I was about to place an order with mouser today or tomorrow. Is there a particular variant of the XP-L you would prefer? (feel free to PM me if you want)

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Got my shipping notice.

My shipment of high-intensity XPLs should arrive Wednesday. I ordered six each of 4000k and 5000k. No idea the tint bin … just the first 4000k and 5000k listed on the Mouser website.

I plan to try them in small triples and zoomies.

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I should see 12 of the 5700K tomorrow, they go immediately into my M43. Wink (already have 10 brand new 10507’s standing by)

I was told by Nichia that the 219C won’t be ready til August.

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Dale. I’m looking forward to seeing your beamshots.

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DBCstm wrote:
I should see 12 of the 5700K tomorrow, they go immediately into my M43. Wink (already have 10 brand new 10507’s standing by)

I was told by Nichia that the 219C won’t be ready til August.

Nice Dale! Make sure to take some before and after beamshots.

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Dale, have you tested one with the Carclo optics?

I emailed Carclo a little while ago and they told me this emitter wouldn’t fit under an unmodified optic.

This was the picture they sent back to me…

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It’s really pretty simple, if the bottome of the TIR in the Carclo lens is more than 1mm above the step on the leg, it’ll fit. Otherwise some modification might be necessary. So be it. I have no problem sawing/slicing/melting/drilling/carving on pretty much anything. Wink

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DBCstm wrote:
It’s really pretty simple, if the bottome of the TIR in the Carclo lens is more than 1mm above the step on the leg, it’ll fit. Otherwise some modification might be necessary. So be it. I have no problem sawing/slicing/melting/drilling/carving on pretty much anything. Wink

So what modifications will we need to do to get it to fit?

  • Maybe use a very sharp exacto knife and saw the edges of the Silicone lens on the LED so that it’s 45 degrees instead of 90 degrees?
  • Maybe file the bottom edges of the optic to widen it slightly. Similar to what we do now for domed XPL, just not so deep into the optic?
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LSX wrote:
Dale, have you tested one with the Carclo optics?

I emailed Carclo a little while ago and they told me this emitter wouldn’t fit under an unmodified optic.

This was the picture they sent back to me…

!http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/tim6489/10mm_zpslrz6e2pj.jpg!

Interesting. The fact that CREE actually sent you a picture shows that they’ve thought about it. This isn’t just some off-the-cuff customer service rep giving a clueless a response.

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Firelight2 wrote:
LSX wrote:
Dale, have you tested one with the Carclo optics?

I emailed Carclo a little while ago and they told me this emitter wouldn’t fit under an unmodified optic.

This was the picture they sent back to me…

!http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/tim6489/10mm_zpslrz6e2pj.jpg!

Interesting. The fact that CREE actually sent you a picture shows that they’ve thought about it. This isn’t just some off-the-cuff customer service rep giving a clueless a response.

It was Carclo that sent me the render, not CREE.

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For what it’s worth here, I simulated these emitters by placing a 1mm sheet of copper over the die and shaving the dome off with a scalpel. 1mm fits under the triple optics. I’ve already assembled 12 of these into the M43 but actually didn’t see the output I expected, probably due to losses by shaving the dome off.

So this will be my second attempt.

But the optics did fit over my shaved emitters.

Edit: I cut a square hole in the sheet of copper that fit over the emitter die. Wink

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I've got some on the way, but here is some feedback from someone who has tried them under a Carclo:

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I have received some XP-L HI samples, I think it will not fit under 
Carclo optic, when the LED is soldered onto the 3XP board,
it's raised a bit, and the optic should be in touch with the LED.
 

So it looks like some small modifications may still be needed.  I'm sure that we'll have it figured out in no time though. Wink

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RMM wrote:
I've got some on the way...

WooHoo! Best bad news of the day! Ready bank account for impending reduction!


Keepin’ the “B” in BLF

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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RMM wrote:

I’ve got some on the way, but here is some feedback from someone who has tried them under a Carclo:

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I have received some XP-L HI samples, I think it will not fit under 
Carclo optic, when the LED is soldered onto the 3XP board,
it’s raised a bit, and the optic should be in touch with the LED.
 

So it looks like some small modifications may still be needed.  I’m sure that we’ll have it figured out in no time though. Wink


Care to disclose which tints/bins you ordered?
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I have 12 of these in hand as of a few moments ago. Off to the stove top we go! Smile

Not much difference in appearance between these and the ones I cut with a scalpel. I’m not real confident the outcome will be satisfactory, but I will try.

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WhitedragonBC wrote:
RMM wrote:

I’ve got some on the way, but here is some feedback from someone who has tried them under a Carclo:

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I have received some XP-L HI samples, I think it will not fit under 
Carclo optic, when the LED is soldered onto the 3XP board,
it’s raised a bit, and the optic should be in touch with the LED.
 

So it looks like some small modifications may still be needed.  I’m sure that we’ll have it figured out in no time though. Wink

Care to disclose which tints/bins you ordered?

+1 Please share! (Fingers crossed for 1A or 1C)

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OUCH! (on more than one front)

I spashed solder into my eye. But of course I didn’t stop there. I got the 12 XP-L H1 in place and it was acting odd. Holding the button down for Turbo it’d ramp up then shut off. The 35A cells are at 4.15V. I tried again. A double click for Hi and it’s really bright. From there I held the button down and it went to Turbo. Stupid bright! How about 7141 lumens on Hi, 11,902.5 on Turbo, with the cells still at 4.15V.

The M43 Meteor, at 11,900 lumens. OUCH!

High level one does 1735.5 lumens. That Turbo is ridiculous!

Edit: Start up does just over 12,000 lumens. I attempted a 30 second run and at 20 seconds it was getting really hot, making 10,381 lumens. Wow. Ok, I’m impressed!

And for the record, these flat little XP-L H1’s fit under the Carclo 10507 perfectly with this 12 emitter set-up.

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WhitedragonBC wrote:
RMM wrote:

I’ve got some on the way, but here is some feedback from someone who has tried them under a Carclo:

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I have received some XP-L HI samples, I think it will not fit under 
Carclo optic, when the LED is soldered onto the 3XP board,
it’s raised a bit, and the optic should be in touch with the LED.
 

So it looks like some small modifications may still be needed.  I’m sure that we’ll have it figured out in no time though. Wink

Care to disclose which tints/bins you ordered?

THIS :exmark:

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How is your eye? :~

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11900 lumens?

Sounds a bit high considering the M43 w dedomed XPL is 8000 lumens.

What’s the lux at 1 meter?

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OUCH! (on more than one front) I spashed solder into my eye. But of course I didn't stop there. I got the 12 XP-L H1 in place and it was acting odd. Holding the button down for Turbo it'd ramp up then shut off. The 35A cells are at 4.15V. I tried again. A double click for Hi and it's really bright. From there I held the button down and it went to Turbo. Stupid bright! How about 7141 lumens on Hi, 11,902.5 on Turbo, with the cells still at 4.15V. The M43 Meteor, at 11,900 lumens. OUCH! High level one does 1735.5 lumens. That Turbo is ridiculous! Edit: Start up does just over 12,000 lumens. I attempted a 30 second run and at 20 seconds it was getting really hot, making 10,381 lumens. Wow. Ok, I'm impressed! And for the record, these flat little XP-L H1's fit under the Carclo 10507 perfectly with this 12 emitter set-up.

great job

wait until new LED of cree arrive(more that 200 lumen per watts LEDs) then you can give more upshot and got more impressed!!!!

12000 lumen is ultra brights for flashlights

may you can get more lumen if in future they arrived!!!

Future is bright as predicted in all the scriptures!

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Does sound high, but my meter in my light box reads a whopping 35,110! (multiplier is .345) And it lights up a 2 car garage sized playroom like freaking daylight! It’s way over 8000 lumens, trust me on that one. Wink 12 emitters at 1000 lumens each, 3A will do that, but holy cow! 36A? Freaky! Wonder if I dare pull the negative and get an emitter amperage reading with my clamp meter… it’s supposed to be good up to 40A.

Eye hurts. I have a Dental Office shoot tomorrow, Rehearsal Dinner Friday night and a Wedding Saturday. What lovely timing! lol I finished the light before digging the little beads of solder out of my eye though, I mean, a guy just has to have priorities or what is he? Silly

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I thought M43’s turbo peaks at 2 amps per emitter.

1000 lumens at 2 amps?

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Mouser has U5 and U4 bins for the XP-L High Intensity, these are lower brightness bins according to the datasheets, there are U6, V2, V3 bins, which are higher bins.

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DBCstm wrote:
I finished the light before digging the little beads of solder out of my eye though, I mean, a guy just has to have priorities or what is he? Silly

Dude, Dale. Hardcore.

Wouldn’t be able to do it myself. My eye would come 1st.

Maybe we need a Flashlight building scars and injury thread. Big Smile

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I was having some trouble with the light dropping down from 12,000 lumens to 7900. Could not for the life of me figure out what happened.

Come to find out, one of the 2 screws holding the driver down was loose. I had taken the driver out and put new 18ga wires on it for neatness sake. Somehow I didn’t get both screws tight. Now the ground supply is good and it’s back up to mega lumens, with LG HE-4 cells freshly charged it’s making 12,523.5 lumens. Ahhhh, sweeet!

I don’t understand it, will have to get an amp measurement on the negative lead coming into the board up top.

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Halo, I had put a big fat 16 ga lead wire coming from the driver and it was sinking my iron, wouldn’t let go of the mcpcb. So I had my tweezers under it, giving it a bit of a pull while heating it up and it suddenly let go and liquid solder splashed my face, got in my right eye and in my whiskers. And the phone rang, my cousin returning a call. By the time I’d talked to Michael I was chomping on the bit to get the light finished up (maybe this is how I missed that loose screw?) and so I worked on it first, then got the little solder balls out from under my lower eyelid. lol

Took a good long shower and streamed water in my eyes later, feel much better now. Smile

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So let me get this straight… after splashing solder in your eye you:

  1. answered the phone and talked to your cousin
  2. finished building the light
  3. and only then removed the solder from your eye

Now THAT’s dedication! A true flashlight modder at work!!!! :bigsmile:

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I mean, it was tearing up and kinda burning but once the solder got under the lower eyelid it was bearable while I finished (as long as I didn’t blink too much.)

Dude, I know what REAL pain is, that was just a nuisance. Silly

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I just completed my first mod using the XPL high intensity emitter.

My DQG 18650 Tiny III was equipped with 3x XPG2 5A2 tint. Now it’s sporting triple XPL high-intensity. Two of them are 4000K and one is 5000K, all 70 CRI.

Driver is a 10×7135 3.8 amp Nanjg 105c with DrJones Mokkadrv.

Preliminary observations:

  • The Carclo 10507 Triple-TIR optic fit on top of the emitters with no problem. It might be touching the top of the lens, but if so, there isn’t much pressure at all. Seems like a great emitter for use in small triples. I need to try this in a light with a FET driver to really see what it can do.
  • Not sure of the output, but it’s noticeably brighter than with the XPG2. I forgot to do a lux test before doing the swap. Oops!

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