- The Fake-Cree LED Awareness Thread - The new "low" in Budget lights.

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Not a Cree fake, just a different brand. Samsung
Listed correctly here;

http://www.tmart.com/Ultrafire-6810-Samsung-High-lights-White-Light-LED-Flashlight-Black-1-18650_p273964.html
This light comes with many different names but all seem to use the same emitter.
Have a few and they work good.

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Actually, if it is marketed as a Cree, it's a Cree fake.  The tint seems decent and it might be a pretty nice emitter maybe, but it's still different than advertised.

EDIT: Can you specify what Samsung LED this is?  I looked at a few and they seem much nicer looking than this emitter.

 

DBSAR,

Yeah.  It seems more like a Nichia 219C below the dome.  It does look a lot like a xpg2 at a casual glance though.  Actually, I had to look real close to see that it wasn't

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Ordered Sipik sk98 from eBay. Stated cree xml t6… opened it to check it out… got a counterfeit junk.

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

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Actually, if it is marketed as a Cree, it’s a Cree fake.  The tint seems decent and it might be a pretty nice emitter maybe, but it’s still different than advertised.

EDIT: Can you specify what Samsung LED this is?  I looked at a few and they seem much nicer looking than this emitter.

 

DBSAR,

Yeah.  It seems more like a Nichia 219C below the dome.  It does look a lot like a xpg2 at a casual glance though.  Actually, I had to look real close to see that it wasn’t

the die even looks like one of the four dies from a XHP50. As mentioned above it could be a Samsung LH351Z, (a 3535 type)>> http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/lh351z-series/46593

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Is this the emitter you 2 are thinking of?

Maybe mine is a fake Samsung being marketed as a Cree.

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I just don't see how my emitter above is the same as that one.  The gold stuff in mine is like badly applied gold leaf.  Image from Samsung site.

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

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I just don’t see how my emitter above is the same as that one.  The gold stuff in mine is like badly applied gold leaf.  Image from Samsung site.

Maybe that’s what happens after it gets hot?

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dchomak wrote:
ImA4Wheelr wrote:

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I just don’t see how my emitter above is the same as that one.  The gold stuff in mine is like badly applied gold leaf.  Image from Samsung site.

Maybe that’s what happens after it gets hot?

There does look like there is a crack in the silicone dome coating over the gold parts, (on each side in your photo) though it shares many of the features of the Samsung. (including the square corner, the die design, etc.) unless Latticebright or some other copy manufacturer is now even building fakes of Samsung 3535 LEDs.

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As paranoia sets in…………….. Big Smile

There is one good thing about all these fakes though, the uninformed can’t just go out a buy a cheap, great light. You actually have to know what you’re doing. Whether it’s building or just plain buying.

“Oh, you bought that light off the internet? I have one just like it, let me show you mine” Wink

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Banggood has responded to my complaint about the LB ’68 lights that I recieved. First someone responded by email and asked that I send a video! This after I had already sent a picture comparing a CREE Q5 vs their light with the LB. I did not respond to that email, come on, a VIDEO? Really?

A couple of days later another response, this time from someone claiming to be a “professional” asking more intelligent questions. That one I responded to and in a polite manner and “educated” him as to what is going on with the descriptions on their site vs what is actually shipped.
Perhaps we will see some progress concerning these issues.

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google (images) Samsung 3535

They are supposed to be very decent leds (but I never tested any)

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tristanxoxo wrote:
Alen wrote:
once again disappointed this time from fasttech the famous SK98…with Lattice bright just time and money wasters. and surprised that no one other buyer declare that.

Thanks for posting this. I was just about to buy a few to gift away for Christmas.

I have a version from Banggood which I asked to review (to ensure non lattice bright). After burning myself on 10+ of those crap garbage, I am more cautious now. Hopefully, the ‘meco’ one from banggood will be good alternatives!It will arrive in about 2 weeks time.

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MountainKing wrote:
I have a version from Banggood which I asked to review (to ensure non lattice bright). After burning myself on 10+ of those crap garbage, I am more cautious now. Hopefully, the ‘meco’ one from banggood will be good alternatives!It will arrive in about 2 weeks time.

Just 20 posts ago I wrote about what I got from Banggood. MECO + LB

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/41084?page=13#comment-841103

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But don’t blame LatticeBright for all the fakes… The LED in the Meco’s above looks not like all the other LB’s. Latticebright has the phosphor only on the chip same way as the imitated Cree model. The ones with the phosphor all around under the dome could be from another, even worse faker.

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I dont think they’re coming out ahead, the lights on Ebay are a lot cheaper than they were a couple years ago. Not sure what they’re paying for leds, but the LB leds cost something, and it’s better to spend $4 more, on the led, if you can sell it for an extra $5

Hopefully someone will photograph the led and ship Crees

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I wanted to spend some more time on these micrographs but I had to watch the Steelers win.
No comparisons but the images might still be useful. Plus I just want an excuse to learn more about photomicrography. Excuse all the dust. My Olympus metallurgical microscope is hard to keep clean.
All images are of the same XPL HI that I recieved from Mountain Electornics.

First is my attempt at stacking pictures (I am still learning)

Second is a brightfield image and I contrast that with the flip of a mirror into a darkfield image i.e. no focus or magnification change. What is that vertical line on the right?


Here is one I tried to take with a different light source. (It is quite fun to play with light and what I have been using are different led to light up what ever fits under the objective)

This last one is an extreme closeup. The two marks at the top are specks of dirt stuck to my sensor. Can some explain the orange splatters.

One point of interest is the different look of the bond wires.
Any help would be appreciated.

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nice detailed Macro photos of the XP-L HI Smile

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One thing I wanted to add, it’s highly unlikely retailers are aware of selling fake cree leds ….if manufacturers spec this to them, it is this that will be displayed on their website…..
They should, however, ask for refund from the manufacturers claiming to sell cree leds when they are not in case disputes arise from customers and stop selling their garbages….

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I ordered 5 of the MECO sk68 style lights with “CREE Q5” emitters. I got them quickly enough, problem was they didn’t have CREE emitters but rather the crappy Lattice Bright. When I pointed that out, they apologized and gave me 60 cents credit for each light. They have since removed CREE from their description and lowered the price on their site by 80 cents for each light. LOL

If you have a replacement emitter to swap in, this light does have the 1 mode boost driver for AA compatibility.
MECO light for $2.69

This is good news. Having been burned themselves, BangGood at least, is now aware of the difference.

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i did receive a random brand name camo SK68 that had a LB LED from ebay but only paid $2 for it there. Worse tint i ever seen.

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Inkidu wrote:
This last one is an extreme closeup. The two marks at the top are specks of dirt stuck to my sensor. Can some explain the orange splatters.

Doesn’t explain the orange splatters but this is what came to mind.

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Are the emitters from fasttech all orginal like the xp-l hi and xp-g2 ?

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I am not certain about FT emitters myself, as i have not bought anything from them in a long time.

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kzrm316 wrote:
Are the emitters from fasttech all orginal like the "xp-l hi":https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10009336/3740302-cree-xp-l-hi-v5-1a-...

There is no such thing as XP-L Hi V5.  Also a member here tested them and found equivalency of V2 (makes sense of course)

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Jubeldum wrote:
Inkidu wrote:
This last one is an extreme closeup. The two marks at the top are specks of dirt stuck to my sensor. Can some explain the orange splatters.

Doesn’t explain the orange splatters but this is what came to mind.

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Does LB make an xpe fake? I just got a cheap 3 dollar light in and it is pathetic compared to a real xpe q5. It has a deep blue tint but still appears identical to the xpe q5. It might be low on the lumens because the light only has about half an amp tailcap reading.

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Does LB make an xpe fake? I just got a cheap 3 dollar light in and it is pathetic compared to a real xpe q5. It has a deep blue tint but still appears identical to the xpe q5. It might be low on the lumens because the light only has about half an amp tailcap reading.

LB has several fake versions of the XP-E actually, and some are really bad. (There are a couple of them in the photo comparisons in the OP.

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Ok ill have to take it out to get a cloaer look. If it is an LB i will burn it. I wonder if 18650 direct drive will burn it. Lol

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Here’s a new style I hadn’t seen before:

This emitter had several of the signs of being a LB fake, including the White substrate, smooth green surface on top of the board, and smaller die size. It seems to have round bond wire junctions though. The interesting feature was the phosphor overspray, even covering the bond wires. I haven’t seen an XM-L clone like this in any of my other lights.

This was in a $4.99 SK98 purchased off eBay.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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