- The Fake-Cree LED Awareness Thread - The new "low" in Budget lights.

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Definitely not a Cree XR-E Q5 emitter. ( and i agree its a roughly handled copy of a old first generation XP-E. The original Sipiks and its clones are getting difficult to find with the XR-E these days, as most of the cheap ones we seem from many sellers now come with a crappy purple tint Latticebrignt led.

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Hm, back in 2015 they said it was a genuine Sipik product but didn’t answer directly about which emitter.
You can ask them what’s up now: http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_15289.html?wid=21

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Howiezowie, if you wanna make a straightforwardly nice & simple mod to that flashlight, take a look at these bargainly priced emitters mounted on 16mm boards:

That XP-E HEW is a real bargain beauty ($0'99 after BLF coupon). 

 

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Hm, back in 2015 they said it was a genuine Sipik product but didn’t answer directly about which emitter. You can ask them what’s up now: http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_15289.html?wid=21

The pictures they have definitely shows a “ XR-E” , so if they sent you one with a crappy LB XP-E clone its false advertising. The originals Sipiks i have that i bought 3 + years ago definitely has Cree XR-E emitters in them, and are far better built, brighter, & have a better tint than any of the knock-off clones we see now.

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The new Sipik SK68 has XP-E

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Barkuti, Hank, antiparanoico, DBSAR:

 Thanks for the great followup and info.  Very helpful! laughing

 

By the way:  

hank wrote:
http://zoomermod.blogspot.com/2015/11/sipik-sk68-mod-xr-e-q5-dedomed.html

Not in English, but the pictures are nice

I am using Chrome browser and it offered to translate that Asian page into English - super handy, like magic! 

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From that site just mentioned (Chromium browser also offers translation from the Japanese, but it’s, er, imperfect yet.

But the pictures are nice. Here you can see the XP-E, showing the two squares and the round dot in the corners.
That’s from 2015 sometime.

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if its a “real” XP-E would be fine, but its difficult to find real Cree leds in anything these days in lights under 10 bucks, what we usually end up with is a horrible tint, inefficient latticebright copy.

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ARRRRRRGhhhhhhhh

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High Risk Website Blocked Location: http://www.sipik.com/html_products/-96.html Access has been blocked as the threat Mal/HTMLGen-A has been found on this website. Return to the page you were previously viewing.

(emailed the link to Sophos to check, and cc’d to webmaster and support at sipik.com (here’s hoping either of those “standard” addresses exists there.

Dagnabbit.

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So I did ask on the website, and they’ve promised to find out what emitter they’re selling:
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Your original question is “I just saw someone who bought one recently saying it’s not a Cree emitter, and the picture posted looks like a LatticeBright LED (look at the face of it with the 2 big corner squares on the right; then look at the upper left corner — does it have a round dot, or a small square dot?) Would you check? Assuming this is a genuine Sipik product I’d like to know what emitter they’re now shipping with flashlights, Cree or LatticeBright. (The LatticeBrights are more likely to run toward the blue-purple end of the color range in my experience so far)”

Here is the answer from Our Customer service Team:


Hello,

Thanks for your email.

For this problem, we need to confirm with the Department of products. Please kindly wait two days.

Once we got feedback from them, we will solve the problem to your satisfaction.

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Hey guys, I just joined today and found this thread.

I finally received an Ultrafire T6 that I ordered on eBay from a vendor that I had been assured was legit.  Normally I will only order an Ultrafire product if it is from a vendor that is well known for selling authentic products as most of them are copied so much now you have about a 1 in 100 chance of getting even a decent copy.

As soon as I opened it up Latticebright, and worse they did not even try hiding it. It was printed on the star. The eBay vendor assures you that he only sells authentic products. He will wish that were a true statement before I am through. 

I have already sent him a message letting him know what I have found and pretty much left the ball in his court. I am curious to see his response.

I was able to get 3 Q-5's from a Amazon vendor that was recommended to me. Products are fulfilled by Amazon out of their facilities and that seems cut down on the clones. I did order another T6 from the vendor on Amazon, it is suppose to arrive tomorrow. I guess I will find out then if it is a clone.

 

Great thread, I read some of the other thread lines and saw tons of great information.  I am still much the novice, however I work as a technician so I catch on to things pretty quick.

I will post sometime tomorrow the outcome of the T6 arriving tomorrow. 

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My 2 cents: is it quite possible that the vendor sold you that torch believing he got “genuine” UltraFire lights from his supplier and has no knowledge whatsoever to distinguish between a real Cree XM-L T6 and a similar looking LatticeBright T6 clone.
So he might have also been ripped off. Also note that if a china shop or Ebay only states “LED type: T6” and the word “cree” is not even mentionend you can be sure to get a LB clone, and it would probably not even be a false statement.

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Also note that if a china shop or Ebay only states “LED type: T6” and the word “cree” is not even mentionend you can be sure to get a LB clone, and it would probably not even be a false statement.
+1

Same about Q5. If they do not mention the word “CREE” it is because it will not be “CREE”, it can be anything else

Sorry for my bad English (gogole transtorla)

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Well, to be honest, neither “T6” nor “Q5” are any type of leds anyway. If they were just a tad *cough* “smarter” they could deliberately slam a typo over the “Cree” name on the ads (“Cr33”, “Creee”, …), and so they could completely lawfully rip you off. “All sales final”, LOL! Big Smile

 

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Hi, what about this one. Does it look like cree xm-l2? I know quality of picture is not the best.

http://imgur.com/TfduFlk

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Products are fulfilled by Amazon out of their facilities and that seems cut down on the clones
Quite the opposite, from experience. They mix together everything that claims to be the same, and send you whatever’s on top of the bin, no matter who actually provided it originally.

https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+wsj+inventory+commingled

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Hi, what about this one. Does it look like cree xm-l2? I know quality of picture is not the best.

http://imgur.com/TfduFlk

May be good. It has the core points in staggered rows and insertion pads are round, as CREE.

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Well when i get it, ill take a better picture .But yes i agree with the things you point out was thinking the same just wanted to hear some other opinion. Smile

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  1. TT6 just arrived and at just a really fast look it appears to be a Cree. I have to go mow grass but after that and a shower I will dig deeper. I took a quick phone camera shot of the LED   but loading it is proving to be a task lol. 

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hank wrote:
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Products are fulfilled by Amazon out of their facilities and that seems cut down on the clones
Quite the opposite, from experience. They mix together everything that claims to be the same, and send you whatever's on top of the bin, no matter who actually provided it originally. https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+wsj+inventory+commingled[/quote]

 

I think I may have been lucky this time. I just got showered and still need to eat but from just looking at it through about a 20 power magnifier it looks like a real Cree XML, I will start opening it up soon and I will post what I find. One thing I have noticed already is it is most certainly in the range of 500 to 600 lumens which is what this vendor is actually stating where most double that... Back soon with something one way or another.

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Here is the quick shot I took just after I got it... It is pretty crude.... T6

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Latticebright XM-L copy.

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Here are 3 shots as good as I could get with just the phone camera. The more I look at it and the clone I got from eBay the more it looks like a Cree. I could only get the star out just enough to see there is nothing at all written on the back, digging deeper at my knowledge level would be bad...

First shot

 

 

same light just from a different side.open close up of T6 LED

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Here are a couple of shots of the one I ordered from eBay that I know is a Latticebright, it is printed in the star.

same just moved the light a little

 

 

known Lattticebright copy of Cree XLM

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Terry White wrote:

Here are a couple of shots of the one I ordered from eBay that I know is a Latticebright, it is printed in the star.


same just moved the light a little


 


 


known Lattticebright copy of Cree XLM

Indeed confirmed Latticebright Cree-fake.

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Yep XML T6 clone. Its a shame companies can get real Crees so cheap so why bother!

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I have not seen this kind of emmiters (take a look at picture with reflector), may be XML2 clone.

http://www.banggood.com/U-King-ZQ-WXK8-CREE-XM-L2-1200LM-18650-LED-Diving-Flashlight-80m-p-1089926.html

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pro22000 wrote:
I have not seen this kind of emmiters (take a look at picture with reflector), may be XML2 clone.

http://www.banggood.com/U-King-ZQ-WXK8-CREE-XM-L2-1200LM-18650-LED-Diving-Flashlight-80m-p-1089926.html


Weird picture of that led, it may even be a render, not a real picture and be XM-L2 after all…
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Well during  re-assembly of the new sk98 that arrived today I snapped an O ring and nothing at all to fit. Headed out to Walmart, they are open all night and they gotta have assorted O rings...   WRONG, after I explained what an O ring is and finally had to take out the light I had on me and actually show him what an O ring is, apparently that is the one thing they do not sell... Finally got back home and after looking though some other lights I found one that was probably a little better as it is just a tiny bit thicker.... So back to assembly and now the reflector will not thread. Part of that is my fault, the snap ring pliers I normally use are in my tool chest at work so I used a set that I am not as use to. It is set pretty decent now but I have to eventually get that replaced.

Best part was comparing it to the one I got from eBay that I know to be a Latticebright, seeing the difference is very simple even just zooming them both as far as they can and point them at the wall. Even my wife saw a huge difference. I will take a shot of that shortly and post it.

Here is the listings for where I purchased both. 

This is the one I got today and so far to me looks the most like a real Cree UltraFire Cree XML T6 LED Zoomable Flashlight Torch Lamp 2 18650 KIT SK98 (Black)

 

And this is the one from eBay that I know is a Latticebright UltraFire 2200 Lumen CREE XM-L T6 LED Flashlight Torch Zoomable 18650 Charger

I will post the light difference in just a bit.

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