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---------- Arc of Josiah---------

  Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one   years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath.

And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left.
                                                  2 Kings 22:1-2


Josiah did that which was right in the Lords Sight all the days of his life.   He carried the light with him whither so ever he went, and the light reached to the far edges of his kingdom.

submitted for your approval is my entry into this years made from scratch competition.  Hope you enjoy:)

First we will need some raw materials.





I wanted to build a long slender light this year so some SCH40 tubing is a premium choice for a body tube.    Lets start there.





A little knurling and some grooves and we're all set.





Next we'll move to the tail.    I wanted to give the light kind of a scepter look.





With this in hand its time to move on to the head.    I have to say this is the part of the build that I looked forward to the least.    Machining solid 3.250" round stock on a mini lathe is not an easy task by any means.




Now I am by no means complaining.   I am very grateful to have my little grizz and the opportunity to build this light.    But just so you have an idea, when I say a long day, I mean ya, pretty much allllll day long turning and shaping and boring and so on.   Minis are versatile  little creatures but not that rigid or powerful so this is a big task for one.



By the time its all said and done you've got more metal in the bin than left on the head. LOL




Rather than trying to thread the bezel end I just made an insert that will hold the lens and o ring in place with 4 set screws.




Now we can move on to the heart of the beast.     The original plan was to use a de-domed XHP-70, and I did try this, but the beam was not as tight as I wanted.

Fortunately for me Cree released yet another great emitter that solved this problem.    Yep none other than the XHP-35 high intensity.    For those of you who have not yet seen this emitter it is similar to the other XHPs accept that the 4 dies are wired so close together there is no separation.   Cree is even calling it "monolithic"  Its foot print is XPG and it looks like XPL, but its 12V





Since the head of this light is so deep it was hard to get a perfectly flat surface for the emitter to sit on.    Perfectly smooth was easy, but flat not so much.   I kept getting a slight hump even when taking only 2k at a pass.    So I decided to just bore the center of the head and put a 1" diameter copper slug in the center.    This worked out better in the end for the heat sinking anyway.     I reflowed my star to the core.









I made this body for use with 4x 26650s and like I said I wanted it long, so even with the cells a plug had to be made to fill the extra space.


Later I replaced that spring with a copper rod because with a twisty cap it made it hard to change modes.


Connections to the driver.






Now at this point some of you may be wandering, what is he going to use for a driver?  It may surprise you, but the answer is simpler than you think.






Yep, not even joking. Surprised

There has been some speculation in a few threads as to what is the best way to go, and I am certainly not saying this is it, or that its the only way.    Just IMHO the easiest.

I had sort of a leg up on this because I had made some of these boards with 16V components and finally got the nerve up to try this with an XHP-70 on a 12V sinkpad.


I was fully expecting to have to dumb down the max output by reducing the PWM level from 255 to like a hundred something.    However after some careful experiments I found that the 70 had no issue running this way at max as long as the sinking was adequate.

So when my 35s arrived today I decided to go for it and the result is the same.    The XHP-70s DD off the 4 cells run at around 4-5 amps or so depending on your cells and resistance etc.

The XHP-35s in this config run about 3.5 amps on high which is over 3 times the factory spec.     I did decide to use some cells that have high internal resistance.  My 5200ma Keeppowers.    I really have no idea if the 35s could survive this on a set of Kongs as they typically drive much harder.


EDIT: Though the emitter can well handle the 3.5A current, controlled testing I did later showed 2.5A to be the dead fall for the emitter ( ie nothing to gain above 2.5A) so I dialed it back to 2.5 A by changing the PWM max to 180. Smile

Anyway on we go....

The reflector I had pictured at the top is one I bought because it was deep, but it did not focus the way I wanted so I carved up a Courui DO1 reflector instead.




9/15/2015 UPDATE


Ok men time for an update.   

I figure its time to let everyone know what has been going on.     Long story short I had this light basically all built, looking how I wanted etc, however as it turns out the XHP-35 and courui reflector combo was not what I was hoping for either.

The reflector was doing its job, and  I did get about 255,750 lux with the combo, but the over all output of the light was very disappointing.     The XHP-35 offered up only a meager portion more lumens that a U4 bin XML2 ( a few hundred .      This is all fine in a small light but in a horse this size it really just felt hollow.



I will go ahead and post a couple of shots of what the light did look like because its almost exactly what I had in mind when I started this project.    I was going for a sleek wine glass/regal type look.

 

 

That said it was time to fully reboot.

As much as I love the tapered down head design in order to pull off the next revisions I had only one choice.   Go BIGGER!


Ya I know as if a 3.5" head diameter is not large already, but I wanted to incorporate a reflector I know I can count on to get the job done.





For those of you not familiar with this reflector it is the LUM 5-90
http://www.illuminationmachines.com/products.php?id=9

I realize a few builds have been done with this already, but I think I can still squeak out a bit of an edge over the competition.



So, onward and upward we go...     

As sad as it made me to have spend all of the hours boring and shaping that first head from a solid piece I knew I had to have an expansion.    So I got some more stock that was another inch round (4.5" diameter).



Next I cut a bit off the head and threaded the end of it. 

 

Then threaded and shaped the expansion.

 



I also threaded the end for a bezel this time since I did not like the set screw thing.



Since this emitter is going to be driven very hard and I want to get every last drop of output I can from it a massive slug will be needed.

The body of the slug is made from aluminum and has a 1" x 1" piece of copper pressed into it.








Doing it this way will allow me to transfer heat both to the head and the body directly since each will be threaded in/on to the slug with a generously long portion of threading Smile   



This time for the emitter I decided to go with a tried and true performer.   A de-domed XHP-70.   Only a direct bond to the sink will do so its time to grab the torch.






9/17/15 UPDATE:


So in the beginning I was going to just have this light be a twisty, but the mode changing was not all that functional.    I also really dont like the feel of a top heavy light so I decided to solve both of those issues by making a thick heavy copper housing for a clickie switch.

Bored out the tail.  



The battery end.



Pressed fit together

 





Now we have a balanced light, and and awesome control mechanism.



Since I now have a lot of the extra space in the body use up with that tail cap I got rid of  that acetal plug and made an aluminum one.    The driver will now be housed in this rather than the head.

 






Time to finish up the head.

Here is the sum total of the parts for it.

 

With the adapter part way in.



And the adapter on the neck of the light



 

9/17/15 UPDATE #2

I'm gonna go ahead and add some more to this so we can move things along.

 

 


Candle Mode Smile

 

 

 






Now it would seem that with this done, it would all be over right?    However before we roll out to beam shot alley there is one more thing I'd like to mention I think many of you may find interesting.


This goose still has one more golden egg left to give.

Let me give you a hint.   In some of those pictures there is no lens in the light and in some it is.

Can you tell which ones?     I cannot accept that there is a tell.    If you look closely the ones where the o ring is visible ( actually a piece of wire since my o ring is not here yet) its there.


Whats so special about that you say?   Plenty of good AR lenses can be photographed this way.  

Well I say to you, where do you get one this size then.....       Nope not a cheap sorry, barley thick enough to catch a rain drop camera filter.    Its some thing else.


2.25mm thick.



An crystal clear. ( accept for a light purpleish haze if you turn it right)




 

Lets have another look.    Just to be fair I will tell you the lens is installed in this picture.





Any one care to wager a guess as to where I got this beauty?     What its special about it?



9/26/15 UPDATE:

Allrighty, time for the final chapter.     

First off the reveal on this awesome lens.     At this time I must give credit to my beautiful wife since it was actually her idea.   

 She comes in the shop from time to time  to see what I'm up to and when I mentioned to her my difficulty with the super thin UV coated camera lens she said "what about a picture frame shop?  They have anti reflective glass".


So I called around and managed to source some.   However some shops use what I would call an imitation which basically amounts to a frosted glass that does eliminate glare ("anti glare" vs "Anti reflective" I guess), but actually cost you light rather than improving pass through.   This is what I ended up with the first time, but after I called around a bit more I found a shop that said they use "museum glass"   which is AR coated on one side and UV coated on the other.    He also confirmed the purplish haze like true AR lenses have so I went and got some.

This time with glass in hand I went to a glass shop where they had a circle cutter.    The guy did have some trouble cutting the glass ( perhaps because of the coating), but shortly after I left with a pair of lenses just the size and thickness I need.

This happens to be the brand of glass that I got.

http://www.tru-vue.com/products/museum-glass-anti-reflective/

Its not cheap but is worth it IMO.    I called Michael's today and they also carry  this glass.



Moving on I brought along a few beam shots:)  

 

 



This next one is close to 300 yards. 

Control Shot




The road ends before the light beam does.





Finally some numbers.  

The Arc of Josiah gave me an impressive 266,750 lux at one minute.    I am quite pleased with this for a quad die emitter.  

Lumens at one minute were 5281 at one minute!     Again very pleased.

Over all I could not be happier.    I got 30K more lux than I had with XHP-30 and more than 3 times the amount of light.

I'm so glad I did the controlled testing with this emitter because it gave me an edge.    I had thought before that the max for an XHP-70 was around 4 amps on a 12V star or 8 on a 6V, but the test showed gains up to 6A on the 12V star.  
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/41767

Loaded with the 26650s I get 5.7A at the tail on this light which is just about perfect.





Thank you all so much for watching, and for the support.     A Huge shout out to _the_ for hosting the contest this year, to Old lumens for the original plan, to those to donated prizes, and of course to SB56637 for crating this awesome forum we call home!!













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Edited by: vestureofblood on 09/26/2015 - 22:07
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Arc of Josiah…I thought maybe you were building Thor’s Hammer with that huge chunk of metal. Can’t wait to see the end result. Do you have any closeups of the knurling and how exactly is knurling created?

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That's a whole lot of shavings you found inside that 3.25" round stock.

Looks like it's going to be a very sweet, but serious light.  Smile

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I can’t wait to see a beamshot from this thing. 40watts+ from an XP-L size in a Courui reflector… Wow

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Great work. Look forward to reading about the end result.

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i wish i had a lathe! Sad

i learned to work with them – but have none to use if i have an idea.
so it takes looong to build something from old parts than just making what i need….

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Nice. I feel for you when you mentioned boring a large hunk of aluminium out taking all day. Even turning the outside would be a marathon effort. Thanks for the update.

 

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Nice!

Do you have a closeup of the driver? What did you change to make it run at 4s? What firmware are you using?

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Great to see another of your creations! I love knurling. Just love it.

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Nice work! The knurling looks spectacular and I can’t wait to see the final product.

You might consider running 26650 LiFePO4 cells to reduce the power slightly and have less voltage sag. I did that with direct drive on 3 XHP-70’s with terrific results, over 15,000 lumens.

Also looking forward to seeing what this XHP-35 does at those levels. I have components on the way to use with an LD-2 for a build I’m doing with one of these emitters, should be here today actually. I was planning 2A but now I might go a little higher… Wink

Thanks for sharing, and for the words on Josiah. Smile

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WillyD wrote:
Do you have any closeups of the knurling and how exactly is knurling created?



The way that knurl is created differs from most lathe work.   Rather than cutting maternal away, what your actually doing is "pressing" the design into the metal.   Doing so will actually increase the diameter of the part due to the peaks made on the knurl.

The hard steel wheels on the knurler have lines in them in opposite directions.


Typically you center the part between the two and run an "X" pattern on the part, but I have found I get better results ( especially on a long part) by running one wheel and then the other.

 

A close up of the result.


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Nice! Do you have a closeup of the driver? What did you change to make it run at 4s? What firmware are you using?


The driver is my version of the BLF DD FET driver.    Here is a link for the boards and the parts list needed.    If you use the parts for the standard 8.4V config with the zener diode etc, the only thing you need differently than what is in the list I provided is to change the 10uf cap from a 10V to a 16V.    

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/35507?page=10#comment-771405

RMM has some 16V 10uf caps and his boards may be 16V ready, but I dont know for sure.


I am just using the star off time firmware for this.

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Nice work. The knurling looks fantastic.

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Thanks for showing how the knurling is made.  The tool and the knurling you created are just too Cool.  Sure seems like it would take a lot of pressure and consistency to get it right.

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WOW!! Fantastic work! Thank you for sharing VOB. I dig the Grizzly

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Excellent work really and it was interesting to read how knurling is achieved too. I wondered how it would be done in simple manner. I’ve never used a lathe but I can see how useful it can be for such work.

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Another knurly beauty from VOB’s workshop. Looking forward to more lathe, and tooling info… very interesting.

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Coming along nicely!

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Quite a large update added to the OP.    Including LUM 5-90 and more on the head.


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I like the reverse tapered head. I dont think Ive seen that done in a light of that size before.

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Thanks for the update. I'm glad l'm not a mini lathe in your hands. Wink

 

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that is a bad *** club!

great work..

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That is going to be one big light! Thanks for sharing it all Smile

About the abandoned XHP35: if at 2.5A the led is at its maxiumum output and 3.5A is well over its max , PWM-ing down from 3.5A will cause the led still to run at 3.5A, just switched on and off by the PWM, and so it will have the diminished output that goes with the 3.5A. In your battery set-up you need true current regulation to get the max out of the XHP35.

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djozz wrote:

That is going to be one big light! Thanks for sharing it all Smile

About the abandoned XHP35: if at 2.5A the led is at its maxiumum output and 3.5A is well over its max , PWM-ing down from 3.5A will cause the led still to run at 3.5A, just switched on and off by the PWM, and so it will have the diminished output that goes with the 3.5A. In your battery set-up you need true current regulation to get the max out of the XHP35.



Thanks djozz.      You could put what I  know about driver science in a thimble so your probly right.  

My theory on why  I get improved stability by PWMing the current down like that is not because the LED cannot handle the 3.5A. but because the heat cannot dissipate quickly enough.   I was thinking the off time allows the cooling time between pulses?

When I bench tested this emitter in my sphere I reflow soldered it to a very heavy duty copper rod and got this result.

Cree XHP-35 HI C4 Measured Lumens Cree Chart 
500ma 675 641 
1000ma 1177 1116 
1500ma 1577 ----------------------- 
2000ma 1888 ----------------------- 
2500ma 2010 ----------------------- 


I wish I had recorded the numbers at 3.0 and 3.5 now, but I did not because even on the copper rod they fell like a rock.   

When I put this in the 4x26650 light it gave me only around 1600 lumens ( I get around 1300 from de-domed XML2) hence my disappointment. 

Now that I think about it 400 lumens does seem to represent a bit wider margin (20ish %) of loss than what I got from the XML test.    However I think that in this case even If  i would have been able to harvest a couple hundred more of those lumens the result would have been the same.     For this light I wanted to reach for the stars and in a host this big a single XHP-35 just wasn't going to get me there.


djozz, what kind of margin do you typically get from a straight emitter test to an install in a light?

    
    
    
    
    

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Off topic but nice work on the lathe, i had one just like it but i could not stand the plastic belt when u get in a jam lol

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Thanks for the output numbers. These may actually be the first real life output numbers of the XHP35. At least I'm not planning a test. A maximum at 2.5A sounds logical because it is four XP-E sized dies in series, and 2.5A is about the max for the XP-E2 as well.

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djozz, what kind of margin do you typically get from a straight emitter test to an install in a light?

I must admit that I never directly tested that, most emitters die during testing, and the ones that have ended up in flashlights are running on FET-drivers, making it harder to measure the current. I will have a go at that one of these days.:-)

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Knurling the tube must have been nerve wracking.

Three Tanna leaves to give him life, nine to give him movement. But what if he eats the whole bag?

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Rufusbduck wrote:
Knurling the tube must have been nerve wracking.



There are worse things, but you do have to keep it on track the whole way down.     Since there is some slight flex in the center of the tube I actually increased the pressure slightly when I got to the center portion, and then backed it off a hair toward the other end.      If it does come loose from the bar any the pattern can get off track and it can be tough to pick it back up again.

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