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…20mm for the pill opening is also a bit small for most buck drivers. It should have at least 21mm in diameter for the drivers, and not only that, the depth of the pill is also very important and it should allow 11mm of driver’s height if not more…

My guess is that there will be no pill, he seems to be moving to an integrated shelf across his product line.


Whether it is traditional pill or integrated shelf this is not my point. My point is that he should make the light to accept driver with 21mm in diameter and up to 11mm in height.
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Yeah, I know a lot of people were hoping for a side switch but keep in mind he did say this is just the first rendition of the resurrected L2 and that he said he will consider all our suggestions for the next version…

While Simon does make good quality lights (which I really like), I don’t agree for the part that he did really listen to us.

When we requested him to come out something that runs an MT-G2 early this year, it never happened;

When we asked him to change the Convoy C8 back into separated pill (instead of integrated shelf), it never happened;

Are Simon’s lights good? Sure they are; Is his service good? Definitely; But does Simon listen to the voice of his customers regarding his product design? I personally don’t think so.

I will still order flashlights from Simon, but if I want something special I will look at somewhere else.

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bibihang wrote:
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Yeah, I know a lot of people were hoping for a side switch but keep in mind he did say this is just the first rendition of the resurrected L2 and that he said he will consider all our suggestions for the next version…

While Simon does make good quality lights (which I really like), I don’t agree for the part that he did really listen to us.

When we requested him to come out something that runs an MT-G2 early this year, it never happened;

When we asked him to change the Convoy C8 back into separated pill (instead of integrated shelf), it never happened;

Are Simon’s lights good? Sure they are; Is his service good? Definitely; But does Simon listen to the voice of his customers regarding his product design? I personally don’t think so.

I will still order flashlights from Simon, but if I want something special I will look at somewhere else.


I understand what you mean. That’s why I threw in the disclaimer about him also being a bit on the stubborn side. He’ll incorporate our ideas sometimes, but it’s on his terms and only if he likes them. His listening to us is in the fact that he’s bringing back the L2 at all. He had not planned to. The blue S2+ is another example. He had scrapped that idea but with enough persuasion he changed his mind. As far as the L2, again it’s being built based on his preferences at least for this first round. He did say that he will take our ideas into consideration for the next version so we’ll just have to wait and see…
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There may be a bit of disappointment with some of this info but…

Simon says…

There will be no extension tubes in this first batch.
I think side switch version is better if it runs on two batteries.
Working time for this version is 2.5hours on high mode (Battery Keeppower 5200mAH). I think it’s enough.
Tactical switch in the tail.
The diameter of reflector is 61mm or so.

I’ll pass along more as I get the info but that’s the latest. Don’t shoot the messenger. I did ask him if he would offer a tube extension and OP reflector as separate items. We’ll see what he says.

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There will be no extension tubes in this first batch.

That is a bummer.. :_(
Though it’s still an awesome (looking) light.

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thijsco19 wrote:
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There will be no extension tubes in this first batch.

That is a bummer.. :_(
Though it’s still an awesome (looking) light.


Yeah, I was disappointed myself. It does look awesome though. I still don’t know what emitter he’s using. I’m really hoping it’s not just the standard XM-L2 choices. I told him people would be disappointed about the lack of an extension tube so I’m hoping he will reconsider. If not I guess worst case scenario we’re looking at a bigger beefier replacement for the C8 with more throw and longer runtime… I guess we won’t know for sure until one of us has one of these in his or her hands so I will do my best to withhold judgment.
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I’m sorry, but I just won’t be buying a L2 with out an extension tube. – Just won’t do it!

Hell! – I have an extension tube for my L4, and even have one for my little Olight S15:-)

I guess I’m just an Extension Tube kinda guy!
-Chuck

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J-Dub74 wrote:
thijsco19 wrote:
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There will be no extension tubes in this first batch.

That is a bummer.. :_(
Though it’s still an awesome (looking) light.


Yeah, I was disappointed myself. It does look awesome though. I still don’t know what emitter he’s using. I’m really hoping it’s not just the standard XM-L2 choices. I told him people would be disappointed about the lack of an extension tube so I’m hoping he will reconsider. If not I guess worst case scenario we’re looking at a bigger beefier replacement for the C8 with more throw and longer runtime… I guess we won’t know for sure until one of us has one of these in his or her hands so I will do my best to withhold judgment.

Kinda like a politician who is out of touch with his constituents? Refuses to ban ugly yellow/green tinted LEDs. Do it for the children. :bigsmile:

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Jubeldum wrote:
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thijsco19 wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
There will be no extension tubes in this first batch.

That is a bummer.. :_(
Though it’s still an awesome (looking) light.


Yeah, I was disappointed myself. It does look awesome though. I still don’t know what emitter he’s using. I’m really hoping it’s not just the standard XM-L2 choices. I told him people would be disappointed about the lack of an extension tube so I’m hoping he will reconsider. If not I guess worst case scenario we’re looking at a bigger beefier replacement for the C8 with more throw and longer runtime… I guess we won’t know for sure until one of us has one of these in his or her hands so I will do my best to withhold judgment.

Kinda like a politician who is out of touch with his constituents? Refuses to ban ugly yellow/green tinted LEDs. Do it for the children. :bigsmile:

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Yes – It would really be nice to see some A and D tints for a change. – Of course, some progress has been made as he now offers 1A instead of the ghostly looking 1B. – I suppose that some would say that 3B is better than 3C, but I’ll just say “Different” Sad

I think that we need some 3A – 3D, and 4A…. Ok, 4D if you can’t find the 4A.

JMHO,
-Chuck

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Your calling Simon the same level as a politician?! Shocked
Doesn’t BLF have rules against foul language?

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We need common sense flashlight control laws. Ban extended battery tubes. There is no need for multicell flashlights on the streets. Won’t somebody please think of the children?

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I must admit I hesitated posting again because I was frustrated with a response from Simon that this new L2 will only have XM-L2 emitter options and no extension tube. I told him BLF would be very disappointed with that choice. His response was reassuring. He said this first new L2 is just a transitional model and he is already planning the next version with an extension tube and plans to accommodate our wishes for, if not supply an XHP emitter. So he is listening. He didn’t have our desire list in time to factor them into this first run. I think all he was focusing on was “Bring back the L2!”. He wishes to emphasize that this is just a transitional model and the next version will be more to BLF liking. I still think the new version looks awesome and I want to have one in my hands before passing judgment…

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Simon wrote:
I think side switch version is better if it runs on two batteries.

Why? Not sure what this comment is about…

Please remember to NOT incorporate integrated charging – we don’t need it, really. It will just hinder the modding capabilities! If the L2 comes back, it should be an absolute GREAT moddable host giving GREAT performance – This IS important

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shrick wrote:
Simon wrote:
I think side switch version is better if it runs on two batteries.

Why? Not sure what this comment is about…

Maybe you’d feel jambed up holding a flashlight in the palm of your hand with only one cell in length and a side switch. Add another cell, now you have some room and balance. Just guessing?

Guilty pleasure, all things nitecore…

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shrick wrote:
Simon wrote:
I think side switch version is better if it runs on two batteries.

Why? Not sure what this comment is about…

Please remember to NOT incorporate integrated charging – we don’t need it, really. It will just hinder the modding capabilities! If the L2 comes back, it should be an absolute GREAT moddable host giving GREAT performance – This IS important


I don’t think he has any plans to incorporate internal charging in the L2. He said he’s going to send me one I just don’t know when. I can’t wait though. Just based on the one picture that thing looks like a tank!
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shrick wrote:
Please remember to NOT incorporate integrated charging – we don’t need it, really. It will just hinder the modding capabilities! If the L2 comes back, it should be an absolute GREAT moddable host giving GREAT performance – This IS important

Integrated charging can be done without interfering with modding. Look at the Eagle Eye X6R. I, for one, would like integrated charging (as long as a good cc/cv chip is used).
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I vote no sideswitch button, no integrated charging. Just my 2c

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I’ve never had a light with integrated charging but I can see the appeal for some. The convenience factor is nice and they make nice gifts for those uneducated in lithium safety. From what I’ve heard Simon’s lights that have built in charging do use quality charging componets. Maybe someone who owns one can chime in.

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netprince wrote:
I vote no sideswitch button, no integrated charging. Just my 2c

+1, don’t make it too complicated. Keep it easy and the price will be lower.
Can’t wait to see some real pictures/video.
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I hate charging on lights because it adds to cost and weight and I don’t trust it and won’t use it.

But I love electronic side switches. The only lights that I trust to start in the mode I left them are the ones with electronic side switches.

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I have to take it back what I said earlier.
I like a side switch when the light has 2 cells in series, or when the body is just too fat (though I have not any experience with a side switch light :D)
Also the driver has the have a great UI, one of the most important things ofcourse.

But still, an integrated charger isn’t something that I want.

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The L2 is a very nice light. For me I would like a host with extension and side switch. No internal charging. But really, even the old L2 would be nice to have back around as long as the price is decent.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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Woknblues wrote:
shrick wrote:
Simon wrote:
I think side switch version is better if it runs on two batteries.

Why? Not sure what this comment is about…

Maybe you’d feel jambed up holding a flashlight in the palm of your hand with only one cell in length and a side switch. Add another cell, now you have some room and balance. Just guessing?

The Yezl Y3 works like a charm, no extension tube…

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J-Dub74 wrote:
I must admit I hesitated posting again because I was frustrated with a response from Simon that this new L2 will only have XM-L2 emitter options and no extension tube. I told him BLF would be very disappointed with that choice. His response was reassuring. He said this first new L2 is just a transitional model and he is already planning the next version with an extension tube and plans to accommodate our wishes for, if not supply an XHP emitter. So he *is* listening. He didn't have our desire list in time to factor them into this first run. I think all he was focusing on was "Bring back the L2!". He wishes to emphasize that this is just a transitional model and the next version will be more to BLF liking. I still think the new version looks awesome and I want to have one in my hands before passing judgment...

It is not that he does not want to. I have said it several times. It is just a money thing. Simon is the manufacturer but he does not have deep pockets. He and I discussed this stuff in detail with things that we "thought of" Smile

He obviously has access to the host but no extension meaning that requires more money spent in advance to have extensions manufactured..and even at that how many? Large quantities are needed for decent pricing. Same goes with the emitters. He most likely already owns an inventory of XML2's. XPL and XPL Hi is again more money and a large quantity again would be needed to get good pricing...and what would he do with all the XML2's?

Simon can buy smaller quantities but then the light's cost increases dramatically and then nobody wants it.

All in all Simon does a great job as a one man band! Smile

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“He most likely already owns an inventory of XML2’s. XPL and XPL Hi is again more money and a large quantity again would be needed to get good pricing…and what would he do with all the XML2’s?”

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Among the myriad S-x versions that he produces, I don’t think that he will have to eat them.

Thanks,
-Chuck

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Yes but looking at Mouser a qty of 250 can equal $7/ea. A qty of 1000 can equal $3.50 ....plus copper

So if he builds only 250 the price really jumps. I have seen others buy elsewhere for $1 less and that happens with Convoy products all the time. If he builds 1000...who is going to buy them?

Now....if a buy was setup with true commitments possibly even a small deposit to offset initial outlay then he would probably be able to do that. He really is a "little guy". We had in depth discussions when I was taking to him about designing/building/selling a headlamp. His margins are nowhere near as great as many think. Anything is possible. It just takes money Wink

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I agree with most of the part you said bugsy36. That being said, why the original Convoy L2 has extension tube but when it comes to the new design it suddenly becomes so expensive to make an extension tube for it?

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I’m wondering why this is being called an L2, it doesn’t look like the first L2 to me.
This:

doesn’t look really all that similar to this:

Unless I’m missing something. But then again Simon can call it whatever he wants, and knowing him it will be a quality flashlight.

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I hope the bezel is still stainless steel…

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The new design looks like the Ultrafire TH-1300

Convoy L2 new design,

Ultrafire TH-1300.

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