Convoy L2...Guess who's back???

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Not really.
A finned and milled head, assault crown and some knurling – that describes >80% of all flashlights Silly

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shrick wrote:
I hope the bezel is still stainless steel…

I had hoped so too originally but it’s not, at least this time around. Simon had to stop producing the first L2 because there was just no profit. Way too much material cost. That’s why this rendition does not have stainless. I’m still looking forward to it though. Should have serious throw and runtime.
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shrick wrote:
I hope the bezel is still stainless steel…

I had hoped so too originally but it’s not, at least this time around. Simon had to stop producing the first L2 because there was just no profit. Way too much material cost. That’s why this rendition does not have stainless. I’m still looking forward to it though. Should have serious throw and runtime.

+1 Must HAVE!

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If it's anything like a WF-1300L (sold at Kaidomain.com), it will be a beast of metal! I modded one, and it's one of the bulkiest, heaviest lights I even seen or worked on - great heat sinking, not so great on carrying:

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Is it really possible that they still have a light in stock with 7 Jurassic period emitters?

At that price, may be:-)

http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S006761

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Well, at one time I guess it was pretty amaz'n, think 4-5 years ago. Stock I measured 1054 lumens, after the mods of 7 XM-L2 U2's, wire and resistor mods, it does 3750 lumens.

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Oh I know!

Amazing how far that we have come in the last few years…

Sounds like you did it Proud, Tom!

Thanks!
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Might as well chuck this in here. I’ve been playing around with the original L2 and a XHP-50 in direct drive. Reading 100K lux at 4A draw ( Panasonics at 4V each), the beam isn’t perfectly uniform but its pretty good. I haven’t tried anything more then that as I’m not sure how much the tailcap will take.
I’ve made a couple of 1300+ lumen 300K lux+ torches before but I’m very impressed with this setup, huge beam and anything out to 200m is like daylight. I will try stick some beam shots up sometime, no promise tho as my to-do and project list is the longest its ever been.

BTW: anyone able to suggest a good <20mm 8.4V 4A driver with nice simple modes?

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Try Richard’s 17mm MTN-MAXlp HP 4A-5.5A.

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Thanks for the suggestion, $22 is a little rich though so I think I’ll go for a Zener moded AMC7135 driver.

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I agree the buck drivers are too expensive, with good reason. One also has to take precaution around heat management. Wish adapters for parallel cells, back to back, was more popular, well, for that matter actually existed standard… This will make things just so much more practical. I have the same issue with the UF-1405 which I want to run at 4.2V. You’d say just get the 1504, sure, but I want the twin cells for better run time and less voltage sag when direct driven.

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Any new updates?
Really want to see/buy this light!

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thijsco19 wrote:
Any new updates?
Really want to see/buy this light!

Me too. Originally Simon was going to try to send one to me by the end of this month. I just got an email from him last night that it’s not going to be ready in time. New goal is around the second week in October. They have a number of holidays over there that interfere with production time. This time it’s Mid Autumn Festival and National Day. Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~
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Or here in the Netherlands….. Sad

Thanks for this update. Looks like I have to be more patient.. Silly

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Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~

I just wish we took our holidays as seriously. I don’t need to be able to buy junk on the actual holiday! I’d rather see people free on Christmas, Christmas Eve and every other significant holiday. Stores should be damn glad I’m not King. It would be mandatory 10x overtime pay for working on Christmas (non-essential jobs). Let the poor people go home.
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> if he builds only 250 the price really jumps.

That’s assuming he’s buying his parts overseas and importing them, I think, and that the price for him is the same.
I’d been wondering about that after reading bits of Paul Midler’s book — he says that at least at the large scale the costs of materials are state-controlled in China so there is no real economy of scale the way we’d think of it. A small lot costs the same as a large lot per unit.

I really don’t know how this works at the scale of making and assembling small electronics like flashlights.

And ‘oogle’s just confusing me more: http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2013/03/11/import-export-taxes-and-du...

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Halo – I hear with you on the holiday issue… except I’m not sure why the essential people don’t get the same overtime pay. Wink

hank – I don’t understand it either. I know Simon is not getting rich in China making Convoy lights even though they are his own brand. It’s hard enough for a truly honest businessperson in any country to make it but it seems exceptionally hard in China. In my opinion he should be doing quite well for the work he’s done bring such quality lights at very reasonable cost yet I don’t know if that’s the case.

I’ll do my best and share what I can but I sure don’t have all the answers…

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J-Dub74 wrote:
Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~

Not to sidetrack this thread, but wages as well, yes :D?

I think its some kind of pay-back for their low wages there, to give people some sense of peace, celebration, happiness and relaxation?

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Halo… wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~
I just wish we took our holidays as seriously. I don’t need to be able to buy junk on the actual holiday! I’d rather see people free on Christmas, Christmas Eve and every other significant holiday. Stores should be damn glad I’m not King. It would be mandatory 10x overtime pay for working on Christmas (non-essential jobs). Let the poor people go home.

I bought some TrustFire flashlights earlier this year that had quality control tags dated December 24 and 25.

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vēer wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~

Not to sidetrack this thread, but wages as well, yes :D?

I think its some kind of pay-back for their low wages there, to give people some sense of peace, celebration, happiness and relaxation?


It is not that their companies (really) care about their employees welfare, but it is because the Mooncake Festival and Chinese New Year are Chinese tradition so they have holidays on these days. In addition a lot of people who work in big cities are actually thousand miles away from their home or village, and they only get to reunite with their family once or twice in a year. Not only that they have to fight through the crowds and ‘competitions’ to get home because the amount of crowd is way beyond our imagination, it’s crazy. If you ask me I seriously don’t think that life is easy and enjoyable in China (as well as other parts of Asia) unless you were born in a rich family. Feel free to read the two articles below:
Battle to secure train tickets home for Chinese New Year
Last Train Home in Context

In China, you literally have to compete for everything, including a piece of train ticket sometimes.

While you guys envy the Chinese who seemingly have so many off-days, it is also worth to mention that Asian companies in general (not only Chinese) are pretty harsh and the pay is also lower than US or European companies, while the living expenses in big cities are sky-rocketing.

This comes from someone who works and lives in Asia (myself). Wink

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Instead of unnecessary heavy metal walled flashlights, they should go thinner add an extra 18650 (same weight, nearly same size) ,doubling the runtime and brightness. Nearly tripling if upgrading to buck driver.

Ironically, it may be the short run 123 tiny lights that need armour, not the regular use lights. Most people that need an abuse lights, don’t need 8 to 20 hours. And visa versa. My strategy since 2005 has been fragile, super bright 10 hour runtime, using home made, light weight, plastic, glued together beast, everyday-sinceyoucant buy these. If it rains, or I decide to scale a cliff, I put them in a book bag, or box. Then, I throw on a normally useless, shorter run, heavier made light.

Runtime=Usefulness

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bibihang wrote:
vēer wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~

Not to sidetrack this thread, but wages as well, yes :D?

I think its some kind of pay-back for their low wages there, to give people some sense of peace, celebration, happiness and relaxation?


It is not that their companies (really) care about their employees welfare, but it is because the Mooncake Festival and Chinese New Year are Chinese tradition so they have holidays on these days. In addition a lot of people who work in big cities are actually thousand miles away from their home or village, and they only get to reunite with their family once or twice in a year. Not only that they have to fight through the crowds and ‘competitions’ to get home because the amount of crowd is way beyond our imagination, it’s crazy. If you ask me I seriously don’t think that life is easy and enjoyable in China (as well as other parts of Asia) unless you were born in a rich family. Feel free to read the two articles below:
Battle to secure train tickets home for Chinese New Year
Last Train Home in Context

In China, you literally have to compete for everything, including a piece of train ticket sometimes.

While you guys envy the Chinese who seemingly have so many off-days, it is also worth to mention that Asian companies in general (not only Chinese) are pretty harsh and the pay is also lower than US or European companies, while the living expenses in big cities are sky-rocketing.

This comes from someone who works and lives in Asia (myself). Wink

Thanks for insights!
I don’t think their companies care much about people, I was thinking about government – comunists could as well cancel old tradition like they did in USSR, so some little venting space is left for overworked people?

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You are welcomed. Smile

Yes their companies (again in general) don’t really care about the people, but as for the government and communist issues in the past I am not quite sure about that since I am not from China anyway. I did not really study the history of China, but I personally think that both of the Chinese New Year and Mooncake Festival are so deeply rooted in Chinese culture for probably thousands of year, so I don’t think even the communist would want to cancel these festivals, after all they are Chinese too?

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Can we keep it on topic please. 0:)

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J-Dub74 wrote:
thijsco19 wrote:
Any new updates?
Really want to see/buy this light!

Me too. Originally Simon was going to try to send one to me by the end of this month. I just got an email from him last night that it’s not going to be ready in time. New goal is around the second week in October. They have a number of holidays over there that interfere with production time. This time it’s Mid Autumn Festival and National Day. Wish we had that many holidays in the US. :~

Yep me again asking for a update :bigsmile: . (I really have to work on my patience…)

I could ask simon myself but I rather have one person asking him than 10. Wink

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Okay let me throw a few quick response comments out there and then I agree that we should get back on topic.

As far as working on December 24th and 25th, Christmas is a Christian holiday. Christianity is illegal in China.

My comment about wishing we has as many holidays was just a simple thoughtless comment. I did not at all mean to imply that I was envious of people in China where some tall business buildings have to build “suicide nets” because of the high frequency of workers that try to end it all by jumping from the highest floor they can get to. That speaks volumes about the working conditions.

My appologies for opening this door. While I appreciate the discussion it probably doesn’t belong in this thread.

Finally, back on topic. 0:) the last I heard from Simon the light is done but there were a few details to work out with the gift box. Apparently he plans to package this one nicely. :bigsmile: I just sent him an email asking for an update. It may be 12 hours or so before I get a response but as soon I have it I will update you all here.

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Really looking forward to this light – high expectations!

Grtz
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Nicolaas wrote:
Really looking forward to this light – high expectations!

Grtz
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Really? Shocked High expectations? Shocked Compared to that list of modded lights you own? :bigsmile: Amazing! Wink

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HAHAHA :bigsmile:

I’m allways looking forward to new lights, especially throwers.

What can I say? I pride myself in being a true flash-o-holic Wink

Grtz
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Simon should let KawiBoy1428 and I design the Convoy L2 replacement. We’ll design a Convoy L2 replacement that will make the Lumintop SD75 its bitch. Big Smile

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