Lightest AA rechargeable NiMH battery > 2000mAh

I am trying to find the lightest AA rechargeable NiMH battery with 2000mAh or above.

From information gathered from other sources like (http://www.storageforum.net/forum/showthread.php/10369-Differences-between-Sanyo-s-AA-eneloops-and-Panasonic-s-AA-eneloops)

Panasonic:

- eneloop 2000 mAh, 2000 charges (I think its 2nd gen): 26.75g

  • eneloop 2500 mAh, 500 charges (dont know which gen): 30g

GP:

  • Recyko 2000 mAh, 1000 charges: 29.5g

Is there any weight difference among eneloop generations?
Any other manufacturer making 2000mAh batteries lighter than the 2000mAh eneloops?

Edit:

- I am talking about original battery specs. Let’s forget about fakes.

- 500 cycles would be fine

  • listing higher capacity but heavier cells is also welcomed. the info may be useful for people looking for the lightest cells with higher capacity

For ni mh, i would prefer them to be heavier with more capacity. Light+large capacity probably fake

Yes there is a trade off between capacity and weight. Given that 2000mAh or above is my acceptance range for capacity, it would make no sense for me to consider 2500mAh batteries if the maker has a 2000mAh version with the same technology. But for reference it would be good to list heavier batteries with higher capacity. People with higher capacity needs may find that info useful.
BTW, I am talking about manufacturers specs, the real product specs… that is, its assumed that batteries are original.
Cycles matter, but the real deal here is weight. Every gram matters and 500 cycles would be good enough.
Thanks

Try to check on the list here

Thanks.
That answers the question of whether there is any weight improvement between 3rd and 4th eneloop generations… There isn’t.
Also, 2000mAh Tensai joins GP 2000mAh Recykos in the group of heavier than eneloops 2000mAh batteries

I think I will just go with the white eneloops.

just curious; how will you use the batteries since you’d rather save 10% weight for 20% less capacity?

wireless mouse

25g added weight make a huge difference on how smoothly one can control the pointer on very small movements

in fact I am curious about eneloop lite batteries since my mouse can last for 2 or 3 days with 2000mAh.

having to change the battery more often is more annoying. that’s the trade off.

ok, i see how you’re not as concerned by the last 500 mah then.

Good ptfe (teflon) pads and a low friction surface makes more difference then a few grams to me. I often do smooth fine movements in eagle PCB.

Why not getting Eneloop Lite then? They are ~1000mAh, BUT they are considerably lighter and would probably last pretty long in wireless mouse. Its odd to see that your mouse eats batteries once in 2-3 days, thats weird!

If light weight is desirable; have you considered LiFePo4 chemistry?

@ Halo…
I can only think of 2 surfaces better than the table I am working on; Glass, which would not work well witht he tracking system of this Logitech G700, and a special kind of plastic (probably teflon) that I once saw in a mouse pad, which is not easy to find (much less having the right size, and me not being in the US) and comes with problems in the long run (plastic surfaces tend to get dirty or sticky quite fast and get wavy (convex and concave) with time or simply wear off so that friction increases).
There are also the aesthetic and ridiculously high price factors against mouse pads. In most cases I rather use the table as it is.
Even on the best surface I can test, glass, I still find quite noticeable the impact that the battery weight has on how smoothly the pointer moves on short movements. There is not as much improvement going from melamine to glass as there is removing the battery (g700 has usb cable too, but it is too rigid)

@vēer
I checked the eneloops lite yesterday. Eneloop says: “30% lighter than normal batteries”, so 26.75*0.7=18.725.
19g weight is also mentioned by other sources.
The problem is that at 950mAh their capacity drops more than 50%, doubling the frequency of battery replacement.
If Logitech had thought users would be fine changing batteries daily, they would have designed the mouse with an AAA battery slot.
Unless the device manufacturer made a wrong choice of battery size slot, the eneloops lite dont make much sense to me since they weight 19g and have very similar capacity with AAA eneloops with 800mAh weighting around 11g.

You are right that having to change batteries every 2-3 days is too frequent. It’s a known problem with some advanced Logitech mouses. I have seen users reporting shorter battery lives, probably because they use a higher polling rate (mine is 500, normal) or higher DPI level (mine is 1200. i think it is usually 800). but it may also be because this mouse can store setting on board (which is the reason i bought it), so the electronics inside it may be more complex than those on normal wireless mouses. For instance, Logitech G7 & MX Revolution (Newer Generation) Laser Mice, not featuring on board settings storage, come with a 600mAh Li-ion battery.
Being the first time I use a wireless mouse, I was comfortable with a 2-3days battery lifespan. After all, my phone will only last 36h at most before having to charge it. But I may get tired and in the end I think 1 week will most likely be the frequency I ma happy with.

@travis
LiFePo4 AA batteries are typically 3.2V (LiFePO4/LiFeMnPO4 Batteries). that would fry the mouse. It specifically warns that only NiMH batteries at 1.2V should be used.

I found the Energizer L91BP-8 Ultimate Lithium AA Batteries with 1.5V weighting . The extra 0.3V should be no problem for the mouse (http://www.instructables.com/id/MODIFIED-MOUSE-RUNS-ON-LITHIUM-ION-CELL-PHONE-BATT/), but lithium batteries, unlike Li-ion batteries, are not rechargeable.

So, going back to NiMH, adding to the list of 2000mAh batteries:

- Tenergy Centura NiMH AA 2000mAh: 1oz (28.35g) (obviously it’s rounded)

- Powerex MHRAAI4 Imedion AA 2400mAh (can’t find 2000mAh): 30g (also rounded, a package of 4 weights 4.8oz)

  • GS Yuasa Enitime 2000mAh (the one the mouse came with, similar to Eneloops): 29g.

BTW, I want to buy more batteries not just because I could reduce weight by 29-26.75g=2.25g, which I will probably not notice, but also because I dont want to use the usb cable at all.

Despite not having accurate weight measures, it seems Eneloops 2000mAh are still the best option (although they wont bring a really noticeable improvement).

Thanks for your suggestions.

HKJ did a review on some Amazon NiMH batts that ran 2000~ MAh if I recall, and the price was not too bad

P.S. a single 3.2v LiFePo4 AA and a dummy AA works just fine, in fact a LiION 14500 and dummy work fine too, even at full charge 1vdc shouldn’t be too much to damage a 3vdc circuit…but your choice on the risk…

Wow thanks

I am still going through his reviews, but I already found this one: Test/Review of Kentli AA 2800mWh (Blue)
Li-ion, 18.8g, 1.5V. Only problem is that its 2800mWh translate to 1600mAh

I have a gaming mouse in which you can add weight, it is a bit different with diiferent weights but all in all I can’t say that if I put 5g more in it that I can’t make fine movements.
And like others have said a good mousepad makes a very huge differents. What mouse do you have?

The kentli cells are cool I would have bought some myself but they are extraordinary expensive. You could buy a boatload of eneloops and lithium primaries for the price of four kentlis and specialcharger…

Check out the NICE primaries on fastech, they are very lightweight and cheap.

I couldn’t live with a 2-3 days battery lifespan. I’d rather use a rock as a mouse. :smiley:

You could get a piece of teflon to use as a mouse pad on ebay. ebay search (teflon,ptfe) sheet Glass isn’t ultra low friction like teflon is. There is also some very flexible usb cables available you could try. Standard cables are pvc which is not particularly flexible.

I would suggest either flexible USB cable or setting mouse pointer to slower speed, thus getting desired mini-motion accuracy ;)!