Review: Kaidomain KD XPL HI P60 Dropin

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I have two Solarforce lights, but neither of them actually have a a P60 in them. I’ve made spacer things from copper pipe fittings to fit the cavity. I wish Solarforce would make a integrated head host for around the same price as their P60 hosts. I love their build quality.

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+1 It’s still my favorite format. If I recall correctly, someone here once said something to the effect of “you’ll have to pry all my P60 lights off my dead hands”. Also, I really love how you can Lego Surefire C format flaslights like Solarforce and many other off brand and customs. I really do hope the P60 format continues for a long time and remains an option for us flashaholics!

The pure concept of changing/modding a light with another drop-in is excellent. You can keep buying/building the drop-in instead of a new light – say you have a red drop-in, a UV drop-in, a compact thrower and so on. No need to buy many other host, of if you do need one the Solarforce models are affordable. They just don’t look modern enough compared to Convoy or ThorFire lights (and, to be frank, if you buy several pills for a S2+ or other Convoys you could technically also do the same with them if you don’t have an integrated head).

I just wish newer light manufacturers would have the same quality like Solarforce when it comes to anodization, threads, build weight/quality and even little things like o-rings.

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tech][quote=ace0001a wrote:

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It’s still my favorite format. If I recall correctly, someone here once said something to the effect of “you’ll have to pry all my P60 lights off my dead hands”. Also, I really love how you can Lego Surefire C format flaslights like Solarforce and many other off brand and customs. I really do hope the P60 format continues for a long time and remains an option for us flashaholics!

Everyone used to love P60’s in the old www.manafont.com days. Then the popularity increased a little when solarforce came out with a couple lights. It seems like the P60 has died a little because there haven’t been any new host/shells in a while. Part of the thrill of getting a new light is holding and admiring the light.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
I have two Solarforce lights, but neither of them actually have a a P60 in them. I’ve made spacer things from copper pipe fittings to fit the cavity. I wish Solarforce would make a integrated head host for around the same price as their P60 hosts. I love their build quality.

Wow, that’s a lot of work. You must really like the solarforce hosts. Which one is your favorite? I’m surprised you just didn’t work with the convoy m1 instead of modding the solarforce hosts.

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CPF is still discussing P60 modules, not as frequently as before but there are still users buying Sportac, Eagletac and other brands. Most shops still carry custom dropins (probably very profitable for them).

After careful centering of the emitter I have no rings at all. Very happy with the Fasttech reflector. I use copper self-adhesive tape which is wrapped around the pill in 2-3 layers. My MCPCB is soldered into the pill, the driver side has several grams of solder inside and the heat transfer is good.
Once you have created such a drop-in it seems bulletproof though, the ones I’ve built years ago still work fine.

What type of p60 hosts do the CPF folks use? And where do you get self adhesive copper tape? Thanks

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ace0001a wrote:
+1 It’s still my favorite format. If I recall correctly, someone here once said something to the effect of “you’ll have to pry all my P60 lights off my dead hands”. Also, I really love how you can Lego Surefire C format flaslights like Solarforce and many other off brand and customs. I really do hope the P60 format continues for a long time and remains an option for us flashaholics!

The pure concept of changing/modding a light with another drop-in is excellent. You can keep buying/building the drop-in instead of a new light – say you have a red drop-in, a UV drop-in, a compact thrower and so on. No need to buy many other host, of if you do need one the Solarforce models are affordable. They just don’t look modern enough compared to Convoy or ThorFire lights (and, to be frank, if you buy several pills for a S2+ or other Convoys you could technically also do the same with them if you don’t have an integrated head).

I just wish newer light manufacturers would have the same quality like Solarforce when it comes to anodization, threads, build weight/quality and even little things like o-rings.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
I have two Solarforce lights, but neither of them actually have a a P60 in them. I’ve made spacer things from copper pipe fittings to fit the cavity. I wish Solarforce would make a integrated head host for around the same price as their P60 hosts. I love their build quality.

Wow, that’s a lot of work. You must really like the solarforce hosts. Which one is your favorite? I’m surprised you just didn’t work with the convoy m1 instead of modding the solarforce hosts.

Yes the interchangeability of the Surefire/Solarforce/P60 flashlights is still an awesome thing to me. If you want a different looking light, you can lego different parts together if you’re not too anal with the matching the finishes exactly. Using things like copper or aluminum rolled around the P60 module does a reasonable job for thermal management in my opinion. There are some really high end custom P60 modules that use optics and a hefty chunk of metal to them as well. It’s just simply a format that has alot of flexibility to me, even if not having the best thermal management.

To me not really alot of work. Aren’t we flashaholics here and are suppose to enjoy going crazy doing this hobby?

Here’s 2 of my favorite legos I no longer have as they were stolen by some bad contractors I had doing work on my house, we never able to recover them:

As for this thread, I do own a couple of these KD XPLHI dropins and like them too!

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I have a Solarforce gladiator shell but I want to utilise 4 cells of 18650. Is there any P60 drop in that I could use for this set-up?

 

Cheers for all the reply.

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AdrianWA wrote:

I have a Solarforce gladiator shell but I want to utilise 4 cells of 18650. Is there any P60 drop in that I could use for this set-up?


 


Cheers for all the reply.

EDIT: These 2 below by Manta Ray are the best ones I found
(only the 1-mode versions are 18v)
Choices are XP-L v5 or XP-L2:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cree-XP-L-V5-1A-LED-Module-3V-18V-1-Mode-Driver-Led-Module-OP-LED/2034219825.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711215_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_10620_10810_10811_5722415,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a-0&algo_pvid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a&priceBeautifyAB=0

Or these XM-L2 U3 (1-mode) you have choice of tints:
XML2 U3-1A Cool white 6500K
XML2 U3-3C Neutral white 4300K
XML2 U3-7A Warm white 3000K
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/26-5mm-CREE-XM-L2-U3-OP-reflector-LED-Drop-in-module-1mode-3v-18v/32837878315.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711215_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_10620_10810_10811_5722415%2Csearchweb201603_1%2CppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a-1&algo_pvid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a&priceBeautifyAB=0

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Here’s more that would work: (also 1-mode)
XM-L T6 (1000lm):
https://www.amazon.com/JUSTUP-Flashlight-Lumens-Reflector-3-0-18V/dp/B01...

1-mode (800lm XM-L2)
Smooth reflector: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10018099/4377001-authentic-fandyfire...
Textured OP reflector: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10018099/4377000-authentic-fandyfire...

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These would also work but they’re XP-G R5, so low output (225-320lm):
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S023831.Cree-XP-G-R5-3V-18V-1-Mode-26_5mm-SMO-LED-Drop-in
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S023832.Cree-XP-G-R5-3V-18V-1-Mode-26_5mm-OP-LED-Drop-in
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001117/1096600-cree-r2-1-mode-117-...
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001085/1093200-cree-xp-g-r5-5-mode...

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AFAIK the Gladiator is suppose to use 2 dummy cells.
18650 “Dummy” cell: https://www.amazon.com/Solarforce-18650-dummy-cell/dp/B00NB857QU?Subscri...

You might be able use 3 live cells and one dummy cell, if these 12v drop-ins would handle the extra .5v you’d have at full charge (aprox. 12.5v)
These are 12v w/XP-L2 1000lm:
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026272.Cree-XP-L2-White-6500K-1000-Lumens-3V...SMO-LED-P60-Drop-in
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026273.Cree-XP-L2-White-6500K-1000-Lumens-3V...LED-P60-Drop-in

I’m wondering why you want to use 4 cells instead of 2 cells + 2 dummy cells? To make it heavier for a “billy club”?

 

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beam0 wrote:
AdrianWA wrote:

I have a Solarforce gladiator shell but I want to utilise 4 cells of 18650. Is there any P60 drop in that I could use for this set-up?

 

Cheers for all the reply.

EDIT: These 2 below by Manta Ray are the best ones I found (only the 1-mode versions are 18v) *Choices are XP-L v5 or XP-L2:* https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cree-XP-L-V5-1A-LED-Module-3V-18V-1-Mode... *Or these XM-L2 U3 (1-mode) you have choice of tints:* XML2 U3-1A Cool white 6500K XML2 U3-3C Neutral white 4300K XML2 U3-7A Warm white 3000K https://www.aliexpress.com/item/26-5mm-CREE-XM-L2-U3-OP-reflector-LED-Dr... . . Here's more that would work: (also 1-mode) XM-L T6 (1000lm): https://www.amazon.com/JUSTUP-Flashlight-Lumens-Reflector-3-0-18V/dp/B01... 1-mode (800lm XM-L2) Smooth reflector: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10018099/4377001-authentic-fandyfire... Textured OP reflector: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10018099/4377000-authentic-fandyfire... . These would also work but they're XP-G R5, so low output (225-320lm): http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S023831.Cree-XP-G-R5-3V-18V-1-Mode-26_5mm-SMO... http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S023832.Cree-XP-G-R5-3V-18V-1-Mode-26_5mm-OP-... https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001117/1096600-cree-r2-1-mode-117-... https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001085/1093200-cree-xp-g-r5-5-mode... . AFAIK the Gladiator is suppose to use 2 dummy cells. 18650 "Dummy" cell: https://www.amazon.com/Solarforce-18650-dummy-cell/dp/B00NB857QU?Subscri... You might be able use 3 live cells and one dummy cell, if these 12v drop-ins would handle the extra .5v you'd have at full charge (aprox. 12.5v) These are 12v w/XP-L2 1000lm: http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026272.Cree-XP-L2-White-6500K-1000-Lumens-3V... http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026273.Cree-XP-L2-White-6500K-1000-Lumens-3V... I'm wondering why you want to use 4 cells instead of 2 cells + 2 dummy cells? To make it heavier for a "billy club"?

 

Thank you for all the infos BeamO. I would like to use the 4 cells for longer run times. I think the 1000 lumens would be perfect enough for this.

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No problem, personally I’d get one of these since they are a more current LED and with the 2nd one you can choose the tint:

(only the 1-mode versions are 18v)
Choices are XP-L v5 or XP-L2:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cree-XP-L-V5-1A-LED-Module-3V-18V-1-Mode-Driver-Led-Module-OP-LED/2034219825.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711215_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_10620_10810_10811_5722415,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a-0&algo_pvid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a&priceBeautifyAB=0

Or these XM-L2 U3 (1-mode) you have choice of tints:
XML2 U3-1A Cool white 6500K
XML2 U3-3C Neutral white 4300K
XML2 U3-7A Warm white 3000K
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/26-5mm-CREE-XM-L2-U3-OP-reflector-LED-Drop-in-module-1mode-3v-18v/32837878315.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711215_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_10620_10810_10811_5722415%2Csearchweb201603_1%2CppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a-1&algo_pvid=d9e9fe44-a441-470a-a0fd-83d8be938e4a&priceBeautifyAB=0

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But if you can get the one from amazon it might arrive faster and be easier for returns if there’s a problem. Not sure how Amazon works for Australia.

 

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