Convoy L6... XHP70 Beast!

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Absolutely needs a neutral option!

What tint is the N4-1C? Not too cool I hope?

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Jeansy wrote:
Absolutely needs a neutral option!

What tint is the N4-1C? Not too cool I hope?


I think 6500-7000K
I’m in. In any case.
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Mukcep wrote:
I think 6500-7000K I’m in. In any case.

Yeah I will probably buy as this light looks great, tint is the only negative. Not sure I will be able to resist long unless a NW/WW is in the very near future.

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Dangit! just when I though I was going to bed I had to check my email. I don’t know if I said anything but the first clear anodizing run did not come out well. Looked more like just grey. Well look what Simon just sent.

Looks pretty clear to me…

On that note. Good night all. Don’t forget to tip your waitress…I’m here all week.


Hmmm a C8 in that clear anodization would be nice too!
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ZozzV6 wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Dangit! just when I though I was going to bed I had to check my email. I don’t know if I said anything but the first clear anodizing run did not come out well. Looked more like just grey. Well look what Simon just sent.

Looks pretty clear to me…

On that note. Good night all. Don’t forget to tip your waitress…I’m here all week.


Hmmm a C8 in that clear anodization would be nice too!

Already in the works buddy. Wink And of course with the XPL-HI, black switch, black clip. at least that’s my vision for it. Hoping to work out a slightly improved driver first though. I haven’t announced that one yet as it’s too early. Dang. I just said it didn’t I?
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Grab your S2 and then take the paint of using some thing none abrasive better of soaking it in water and an additive so the anodizing comes of then you whip out the rotary tool and some polish! or if Simon makes it bare it makes it easier but you will have to polish every so often….
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/46320

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Grab your S2 and then take the paint of using some thing none abrasive better of soaking it in water and an additive so the anodizing comes of then you whip out the rotary tool and some polish! or if Simon makes it bare it makes it easier but you will have to polish every so often…. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/46320

I believe this is clear coat anodizing. It will be the same as black anodizing but clear which would mean no polishing. It’s not like bare aluminum.

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My bad sorry! But that sounds even better cause i am clumsy with my lights i will defiantly get one or two Big Smile

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Me too, can’t wait to see one with the metal button.

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I would like to see Simon come out with a Red Blue and Green L6? Full colors and then “Maybe” with a twist to it, Custom if you will? Like a Black bezel Green Head with a black switch and Green battery tube and Black tail cap? In Red and Black, Blue and Black or even Black and Tan too? How about mix and match to order? A totally hot rod modded custom colored torch? Wonder if anybody would be interested in something like this, I know I would!

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I’d be interested in a neutral tint L6 with desert tan and black coloring, tan being the predominant color. But I’d also be just fine with all black if it had a NW emitter.

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I’ve made sure Simon is very well aware of our desire for neutral emitters. He’s checking with a supplier in Hong Kong to see if he can get some. Some of the more desired Cree emitters are not as easily acquired as they should be.

On a more positive note I can you all a bit about the driver.

4 modes plus a hidden strobe. It will have mode memory. Current controlled modes. No PWM.

Mode settings are:

Low – 50mA
Med – 200mA
High – 1700mA
Turbo – 5000mA

Hidden strobe – activate by a quick double tap on the side switch.

Early tests show it may be hitting a bit higher than the “official” numbers Cool

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No way I’d ever buy a light with all those mixed colors! It’d look like it was pieced together from spare parts, a garbage can light. Silly I’m sure others will like it because it’s different, but it’s not for me.

That’d totally mess up my chi! lol

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No PWM

Out-freaking-standing!!!

Another fine win!

There will always be more darkness than I have lights.

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I have quite a few XHP70 lights and with pretty much every Bin and tint, and shaved and non shaved, and I can’t think of one that I have that would or could compare to a MTG-2? To me the MTG-2 is the King of Neutral Beauty! So define Neutral White? The supposedly neutral XHP70’s out there are usually lower bin and lower out put, and in a OP reflector just seem kinda blah? That’s why I like the smooth reflector, and my emitters shaved of the higher bin, more throw and tends to warm them up a bit, but nothing close to a MTG-2? So I guess throw a MTG-2 in it??

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The 96 CRI XHP-70 in my Intimidator way outperforms an MT-G2 and is just as pretty or more so. But I still highly favor my 10 or 11 MT-G2 lights and my triple 9V MT-G2 BTU Shocker is a personal favorite.

So yeah, I think the L6 with an MT-G2 would be freaking awesome! (The L2 is, so why not?)

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DB Custom wrote:
The 96 CRI XHP-70 in my Intimidator way outperforms an MT-G2 and is just as pretty or more so. But I still highly favor my 10 or 11 MT-G2 lights and my triple 9V MT-G2 BTU Shocker is a personal favorite.

So yeah, I think the L6 with an MT-G2 would be freaking awesome! (The L2 is, so why not?)


Dale dome on right? I shaved the same one down and it’s in one of my SD75’s, in the case sitting on the shelf! I didn’t like it much out of the OP reflector, but then again the SD75 Op reflector was not half as good as the Crelant 7G10 or the S70 quality wise! But I live in the city so I need brute force to compete with all the street lights and all the ambient lighting that’s around, it never really gets dark out where I live? Big Smile I have to be able to see whats in their hands not how vivid the color of the clothes look at night? Wink Just kidding! Big Smile I really need to move out to the country, meh some day!

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Yeah, big difference competing with all the ambient. I need to see if it’s a grey fox looking to eat barn cats or Redd Foxx looking to steal my junk! Silly lol

My High CRI variant is surrounded by the LUM 5-90, excellent reflector.

Edit: I don’t shave the domes on these as they’re simply not throwers to begin with. I did shave the 4 XHP-50’s I put in a D80 but that was to fit em under the Quad optic…

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See that’s a big part too, a quality reflector is the heart of any light, you can change drivers and emitters to the cow’s come home, if you have a crap reflector, it’s just a waste of money! Thank God I weaseled out a couple smooth reflectors from Lumintop, before they shut it down!! Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
The 96 CRI XHP-70 in my Intimidator way outperforms an MT-G2 and is just as pretty or more so.

Yes, yes, yes!

I love the MT-G2, but too often, the one used in flashlights has a CRI of 70 Ra. On the Cree datasheet, I saw an MT-G2 with a CCT of 5000K and CRI of 80 Ra, but I have never seen it in a flashlight.

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I was thinking last night about the option of an MT-G2 if a good NW xhp70 could not be sourced.

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I was thinking last night about the option of an MT-G2 if a good NW xhp70 could not be sourced.

Can a MT-G2 be driven as hard as an xhp70?

I don’t know that I’m as interested in a MT-G2 version, but that’s because I already have an Eagletac MX25L3 that I love.

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The MT-G2 can do over 16A. But it’s only making some 4300-4500 lumens up there and has started dropping in output after 12A. Djozz has charts on all that, I find them to be very accurate to what I see in an actual light.
The XHP-70, being essentially a Quad XM-L2, makes more output on lower amperage and I’ve seen it doing some 12A or more with very high output, and accompanying heat factor as well.

The MT-G2 is available in 80CRI and 90CRI variants, at a cost of lumens. Even at a measely 1.1A, lumens drop is over 300. And the CRI 90 is at 3000K, very warm.

There is a 9V MT-G2 available that can run on 3 18650’s (or 3 26650’s as the case may be) and it makes more output, around 4900 lumens up in the high range, which is getting close to the High CRI XHP-70. I think my SR-90 is making just over 5000 lumens from rested and partially used cells.

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DB Custom wrote:
The MT-G2 can do over 16A. But it’s only making some 4300-4500 lumens up there and has started dropping in output after 12A. Djozz has charts on all that,

Good info, thanks.

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DB Custom wrote:
The MT-G2 can do over 16A. But it’s only making some 4300-4500 lumens up there and has started dropping in output after 12A. Djozz has charts on all that, I find them to be very accurate to what I see in an actual light.
The XHP-70, being essentially a Quad XM-L2, makes more output on lower amperage and I’ve seen it doing some 12A or more with very high output, and accompanying heat factor as well.

The MT-G2 is available in 80CRI and 90CRI variants, at a cost of lumens. Even at a measely 1.1A, lumens drop is over 300. And the CRI 90 is at 3000K, very warm.

There is a 9V MT-G2 available that can run on 3 18650’s (or 3 26650’s as the case may be) and it makes more output, around 4900 lumens up in the high range, which is getting close to the High CRI XHP-70. I think my SR-90 is making just over 5000 lumens from rested and partially used cells.


Wow never knew that about a 12v MT-G2! What about a 12v XHP70 Dale?

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9V MT-G2, they come in 6V, 9V, and 36V variations.

The 12V XHP-70 requires a specialized mcpcb that has the dies in 2S2P arrangement. It’s the same die, just wired differently on the mcpcb. The 6V XHP-70 mcpcb looks pretty much like any other star with long electrical connections on either side of the thermal pad. The 12V XHP-70 mcpcb has short sections on each side and has jumper pads in order to wire the 4 dies differently. I don’t like that one because the traces all seem very skinny, but I guess it takes lower current at higher voltage so perhaps it’s all the same?

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DB Custom wrote:
9V MT-G2, they come in 6V, 9V, and 36V variations.

The 12V XHP-70 requires a specialized mcpcb that has the dies in 2S2P arrangement. It’s the same die, just wired differently on the mcpcb. The 6V XHP-70 mcpcb looks pretty much like any other star with long electrical connections on either side of the thermal pad. The 12V XHP-70 mcpcb has short sections on each side and has jumper pads in order to wire the 4 dies differently. I don’t like that one because the traces all seem very skinny, but I guess it takes lower current at higher voltage so perhaps it’s all the same?


Yeah, I understand that part about the 12v XHP70 but what about out put? I like the idea of higher voltage lower current, higher out put like you described about the MT-G2 like 900 lumens more, but would you get that or more out of a 12v XHP70? Say 1000-1200 lumens or more? Because some claim 6000 lumens out of a hard driven 6v (8,4) XHP70, so could it be possible 7000-7200 lumens out of a 12v XHP70?

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Well, I saw some 6400 in my Intimidator when I first built it, with a 6V on a 6V star and running FET direct drive Zener modded. I opted for the High CRI at 96 because of that color renditioning. I don’t use the light a lot, actually had it as a mile thrower with a de-domed XM-L2 to start with. Can’t see a mile at night, so I put in the XHP-70 for giggles and grins, then switched to the Hi CRI.

I don’t know that the 12V set-up would net that much gain, it might, but I don’t recall. It’d be pushing the envelope for sure, but hey, it’s what we do right? Silly

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6V vs 12V SinkPAD mcpcb

Edit: Well DUH! That’s an XHP-70 and XHP-50 but it shows how they get 12V out of the same die.

In the 9V variant of MT-G2, the mcpcb is the same either way.

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