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Are we not capable of a little better?

First off I would like to say this is not meant to be a thread to air you dirty laundry or vent in and any discussion I would greatly appreciate being kept at a civil level, thanks in advance.

I have noticed more and more (especially this past few months) that this forum is becoming more of a place to argue , bicker , point fingers and such, than a forum on flashlights and related things in general. I was a member of another well known forum (for a short time), before I came here, that had a lot of the same thing happening, and I left there for these reasons (among a couple of other reasons) as it just was not a fun place at all.

This has been a great forum (still is, just not as great with all the drama lately), until recently to come to and have a good time, and learn a lot of things from with the vast wealth of knowledge from the members here. Lately though it seems I find myself hesitant to click on a lot of threads to “read up” because I know half of what I read will be arguing, bickering and insults between several people or arguing about something that really is not going to help or change anything to begin with.

It is my understanding that we have lost a number of members that were a great asset to this community, and I have seen a couple leave just since I have been here (or at least they are not active anymore). Those members may or may not still be here if things were handled differently by some people, but I can see we will probably be loosing more if things do not start to settle down some with all the mess going on here now days.

I understand there will be disagreements at times and different views, but why not keep it at a more civil manner instead of attacking someone right out of the gate, or using hateful or spiteful remarks, just because we don’t have the same view? We could all practice maybe just not responding if something is said we don’t agree with and move on. We could all use a little more patients and understanding sometimes (myself included). Lets all strive to make this a better place and a cut above other forums by trying to be the better people over here, instead of letting it turn into what most every other forum out there has become in this day and time.

Actually lets make this the best forum there is on the internet period, and get along as a community/forum family in order to help make that happen.

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Agreed. One particular current thread is a prime example.
24hrs+ now, of insults being thrown at fellow members – over what I deem trivial.
I have chimed in a couple of times to lighten the tone with a few quips. Not at all to do with me, but this type of arguing is a bit OTT now. No one seems to back down these days. Why do people try to force their opinions on others ? Sure, give & take advice, but if you don’t like something, just drop it / ignore and move on. Or at least discuss like adults.

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Well said. I also happened to notice that with all these GB more and more people came to join us to take part in those GB but that also gave rise to the increase of whiny and pathetic comments from new members. I may not be a very long member here but I’ve been here long enough to know a couple of loyal and active members here who makes this forum a great place. For that I thank you. And those that joined but had so much to complain about, learn to live with imperfections. Nothing is perfect. Unless the products you received was really in a sh*tty condition, I understand your plight. Else, appreciate what you got for the price. This is a budget forum afterall.

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HereAgainAgain wrote:
Or at least discuss like adults.

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Agreed 100%

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robo819 wrote:
I know half of what I read will be arguing, bickering and insults between several people or arguing about something that really is not going to help or change anything to begin with.

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I understand there will be disagreements at times and different views, but why not keep it at a more civil manner instead of attacking someone right out of the gate, or using hateful or spiteful remarks, just because we don’t have the same view?


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HereAgainAgain wrote:
One particular current thread is a prime example.
24hrs+ now, of insults being thrown at fellow members – over what I deem trivial.
Is it one of the GB threads? Those threads can get so long that I’ve stopped bothering with them if I’m not particularly interested in the GB. I can live without arguing and insults so no big loss. Big Smile
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HereAgainAgain wrote:
One particular current thread is a prime example. 24hrs+ now, of insults being thrown at fellow members – over what I deem trivial.
Is it one of the GB threads? Those threads can get so long that I’ve stopped bothering with them if I’m not particularly interested in the GB. I can live without arguing and insults so no big loss. Big Smile

I was not singling out any thread guys I am talking about many threads that end up in nothing but chaos or insults and arguing.

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Hmmmm, well, I’ve noticed the exact opposite to what the OP is complaining about. This forum seems to be far more civil than 99% of the Internet, including cpf. Sure, there’s always some disagreement, this is the Internet after all, but I must be missing the flame threads you’re talking about.

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WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
Hmmmm, well, I’ve noticed the exact opposite to what the OP is complaining about. This forum seems to be far more civil than 99% of the Internet, including cpf. Sure, there’s always some disagreement, this is the Internet after all, but I must be missing the flame threads you’re talking about.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but you have not been here that long.

The forum has changed with all the new members joining (partially) due to the group buys.

While the group buys are nice, I miss the old signal to noise ratio we used to have.

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First thing imho, affiliate links should be banned from this forum.
1 or more years ago, the forum was much different, now each who has 5 minutes of time, pastes their links even if the same item is cheaper at another vendor.

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@bdiddle I agree with you. I have been lurking long before I joined so I understand what you mean…

@koyotee personally fwiw, I do not care about aff links but those people who insists that we should use THEIR aff links are the problem. Why can’t we choose if we wanna use that link or not?

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BLF is one of the friendliest forums I have every been on. Many people willing to help other.

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If you think it is friendly now, you should’ve seen it a year ago. We are definitely trending down. I don’t like it, but I don’t know what to do about it. Even this thread will probably break out in an argument.

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chadvone wrote:
BLF is one of the friendliest forums I have every been on. Many people willing to help other.

I am not saying there are not friendly folks here at all. What I am saying is that the level of the arguing and direct attacks and all the overall drama has increased lately and I would very much like to see what has escalated drop back down before it does become a big problem is all.

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chadvone wrote:
BLF is one of the friendliest forums I have every been on. Many people willing to help other.

Well we are cheapskates Big Smile and cheapskates help each other! Hehe Wink But on a more serious note, it’s true. Here at blf we get loads of members welcoming newbies. Over at the other side, only one or two are willing to say hi and give newbies a warm welcome. And being friendly is good for everyone. It’s a win win situation! Smile

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robo819 wrote:
chadvone wrote:
BLF is one of the friendliest forums I have every been on. Many people willing to help other.

I am not saying there are not friendly folks here at all. What I am saying is that the level of the arguing and direct attacks and all the overall drama has increased lately and I would very much like to see what has escalated drop back down before it does become a big problem is all.

I don’t want this forum to be like the other one. And PD68, I might agree with your statement. The first few months I was here, there was barely any of that cap until recently of the dispute over aff links. From then on the situation got worse.

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It not as bad as most forums. I ignore most threads that break down into an argument,people need to PM more if they are going to have a personal discussion.

I do get tired of the "not it" or "I don't know" posts. If I got nothing positive/good to add I just don't say anything. Even this post is a stretch for me.We have had some JackHole members here and they were dealt with quickly.  

Over all though, its been a good place. 

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bikenber73 wrote:

It not as bad as most forums. I ignore most threads that break down into an argument,people need to PM more if they are going to have a personal discussion.

I do get tired of the “not it” or “I don’t know” posts. If I got nothing positive/good to add I just don’t say anything. Even this post is a stretch for me.We have had some JackHole members here and they were dealt with quickly.  

Over all though, its been a good place. 


I have to ask, what does Jack Hole mean?

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I have to agree, the influx of people here to count coup has caused a lot of commotion. Sure, it’s great to get things stirred up and grow, but the growing pains are not so great.

I miss some of the people that used to always be here, the insights and willingness to help, the difference they made individually and collectively. ChicagoX, Foy, MattAus, Wight, some folks that made a big difference and were here a lot, even Scaru with his crazy over the top schemes. Everyone laughed when he had boards made for 7 XM-L emitters. Now everyone uses multi-cell without a thought about it at all. Even Old-Lumens has severely cut back and almost left us completely, and EVERYBODY knows he contributed immensely to noobs here.

When we were smaller, we were tighter. Everybody had more of the same interest, improving flashlight modding for the sheer enjoyment of doing so. Now we have a lot of profiteers crashing the party. The party is still on, mind you, but we’re not all in the same room anymore… divided. And that’s the thing that’s sad about it, that spirit of camaraderie that brought us all together.

I have to say, I haven’t been openly cussed before on a forum, EVER, not ANY forum… until recently, right here. And it still has me reeling a bit, the kind of thing that sure enough makes me want to simply leave.

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Wrathbringer27, it’s a combination word, a new kind of urban slang combining JackA** with A**hole. Not nice at all and very instigating. And unfortunately, the kind of mentality we have coming in these days.

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Damn I feel bad for Dale. You’ve been here much longer and you got cussed by a newbie. That’s juz wrong man. I have an idea who it was but I don’t wanna bring that up anymore. I hope the old timeys don’t leave us newbies. Its been a year since I’ve joined the community and I try to respect everyone even if there is a conflict of interests. Heck, sometimes I get a couple of users asking me for opinions due to the conflicts in the forum even though I’m a newbie. I juz don’t get it why there is a need to cuss at all. Everyone here is contributing to the pool of knowledge and some who spot a mistake or disagree with a certain statement gets riled up for no apparent reason.

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I know this would sound silly but what about a blf market place that is a sister to this website? so all advertising and group buys go through that website? I am sure blf could make money of that?

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I know this would sound silly but what about a blf market place that is a sister to this website? so all advertising and group buys go through that website? I am sure blf could make money of that?

That I think would be up to the admin to make a decision on.

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Thanks Wrathbringer27, appreciate the thought, but feel for me for more important things, like I’m getting old. Silly

Really though, the process made me step back and put a lot of thought into the feelings and impulses involved. I don’t know if people around the world are aware of it, but Texas is now an open carry State. That’s right, people all over the place here now have the right to not only have a gun but wear it openly on their person. So if out and about, and it’s been a bad day, someone suddenly gets in your face with a “F you A**Hole!” Well, that person would die on the spot. That’s the impulse, and having a gun right at hand makes it so easy to happen. Are people aware that there can be that sudden a consequence to their rudeness?

So it made me realize that it’s better to stay away from people that are prone to be that kind of rude, than to be prompted into an impulsive reaction that would have life altering consequences. Am I the only one that gets that? Is our society so far down the path of destruction that once common civility is a thing of the past? I certainly hope that isn’t the case! But I see rudeness on a shocking level literally every day, young and old alike, men and women, all sorts of people, so casually flipping each other off and screaming and hollering at someone from the comparative safety of their car. Modern times, modern stresses, bring a lot of tension even while giving us technological advancements that blow the mind.

Maybe the legalization of marijuana is really a good thing. Obviously there’s a lot of people out there that simply need to chill…

For the record, I don’t carry. I’m getting too old and grumpy to risk letting things get out of hand on a gut reaction. I know, all too well, how easily it can happen though. I’ve had it happen to me. Right up to pulling the trigger, it happens so fast… I didn’t kill anyone, saw what was happening and put a bullet in the ground, but paid a severe price for it nonetheless even though it was really unintentional. So yeah, I KNOW all too well how other people going over the top can influence a chain reaction. Sadly, most just don’t get it.

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Does it make it safer to have your weapon out in the open so you can see who is carrying? Or is ease of access such a big problem?

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Oh lol. I didn’t know about the open carry thing since in Singapore firearms and knives or any weapon is illegal to carry around in public. Another I noticed is that most members here are above 40 and I’m here lime only turning 19 this year. I’m taking my diploma now and am currently unemployed so there isn’t much choice for me except to save up only for a light I have a complete desire for. I hope the old timers don’t leave the community and continue to guide the newbs. Even tho there are some disrespectful newbies, some of us do really wanna learn and contribute to this pool of knowledge.

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EDSG, I think not, I don’t like the concept but they didn’t care about my opinion. lol Scary, really, seeing little old ladies packing chromed .45’s and such. Conceal it, that’s fine, but why have to brag about it?

Anyway, was just trying to make the point that in-your-face rudeness used to come at a price, and can again. Society got away from people carrying guns to make the world a safer place. The safer place has been taken for granted, so I guess we’re sliding back down the hill.

Pressure, modern times, fast paced society.

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The forum has changed. It is less friendly than it once was, but most of that is due to so many members. When it was small, it was close knit. Even our admin has changed. As time goes on, people move on. Small towns tend to be friendlier, to the people living there, than big cities. Same for forums.

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So if out and about, and it’s been a bad day, someone suddenly gets in your face with a “F you A**Hole!” Well, that person would die on the spot. That’s the impulse, and having a gun right at hand makes it so easy to happen. Are people aware that there can be that sudden a consequence to their rudeness?

But I see rudeness on a shocking level literally every day, young and old alike, men and women, all sorts of people, so casually flipping each other off and screaming and hollering at someone from the comparative safety of their car. Modern times, modern stresses, bring a lot of tension even while giving us technological advancements that blow the mind.


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