[07-MAR-2016] Current status of BLF upgrade process

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Thanks, man. I won’t bug you about it. The new forum looks awesome!

Thanks too for dealing with all our “issues” so gracefully!! If anyone else wants the post-level Subject line back, we can get the exact same effect by just typing a Subject line at the top of the post, hitting < Enter > twice and going on with it. Mischief managed!

(PS: I always Preview. It appears typing the Left Broket (shift-comma) and a character, starts it parsing HTML. So (e.g.) to enter < Enter > surround “Enter” with spaces.)

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Bort wrote:
perhaps we should replace what we have now with a two step authentication (which could work with your button)

As long as sb can do it, that sounds like a great idea.  cool

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Can we add automated multi quoting, perhaps select the threads you want then hit reply and all are available to be replied to

The Journal of Alternative Facts TM

"It is critical that there is a credible academic source for the growing and important discipline of alternative facts. This field of study will just keep winning, and we knew that all the best people would want to be on board. There is a real risk in the world today that people might be getting their information about science from actual scientists"

 

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Sb, thank you Very Much for all the tedious work you are currently doing, it is Greatly Appreciated. Beer Beer

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sb56637 wrote:
Thanks a lot ToyKeeper. Let’s try this other Textile code markup:

Inline code, surrounded by @ chars: <a href="http://some.site.com/foo/bar/baz">The Foo Bar Baz site</a> Followed by normal Textile-rendered text.

Hint: this is the only known way to type _the_’s username. Smile


Oh, I always typed _the_ as ==_the_==. The double-equal is short-hand for temporarily disabling the markup language.

I didn’t realize the @ inline code block short-hand would prevent URL detection.

Putting an @ on both sides of something often gives me problems though, like if I want to list numbers. The following list should have three items, each with an @ in the middle:

  • 1000 lm 3000mA * 500 lm 1500mA
  • 250 lm @ 750mA

To make it work, I need to escape the @ symbols:

  • 1000 lm @ 3000mA
  • 500 lm @ 1500mA
  • 250 lm @ 750mA

Basically, the @ symbol does special things even when it’s surrounded by spaces and there are newlines between. It’s a good idea to write ==@== any time you want an actual @ symbol, or it might interfere with other formatting.

I think I’m noting these things mostly for other people’s benefit, in case they’re not used to the simple post editor.

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sb56637 wrote:
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I checked your screenshot and that’s about how mine looks too. It’s probably just a result of the “big picture” effect of increasing the text size. It’s actually amount of vertical space for every post that’s taking up so much space now in my eyes.

If you look at my screenshot, you’ll see that those are short one-liner posts, but the vertical space is unavoidable because the user’s name, avatar, post count, and join stats also take up vertical space.

Gotcha. Yes I do see that now. Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
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keltex78 wrote:
automatic subscription to threads I participate in

This is the main thing which keeps biting me.

J-Dub74 wrote:
User rank (star system) is gone.

I hadn’t noticed, but I don’t miss it. It was just another way of saying how many posts someone had.

J-Dub74 wrote:
I never thought I could hate emoticons…

Heh, I like plain text ones :) , but I never much cared for the graphical ones. Smile

This set in particular seems to have some extra white pixels around them though, which looks weird when the background isn’t white. IIRC the old set was more background-agnostic.

J-Dub74 wrote:
White space… There is SO much of it now

I tried to reduce empty space somewhat on the dark theme. There still seems to be a minimum height for posts though, and some other extra space I haven’t figured out how to collapse.

JoshK wrote:
Perhaps a ranking system that is based on “helpful votes”. That might pull the future in the direction we want.

I could get behind having a way to ‘like’ posts and maybe a karma point system based on how many likes a person has received… To avoid drama though, a ‘dislike’ option might not be a good idea.

Bort wrote:
automated multi quoting

Until/unless the base forum software supports that, I doubt it. That would be quite a pain to implement… and for now we can do it manually when needed.

sb56637 wrote:
the vertical space is unavoidable because the user’s name, avatar, post count, and join stats also take up vertical space.

I’m not sure how hard it would be to change the post template structure, but one thing which might help is to put the div for top/edit/delete/quote/reply/spam buttons inside the message body div instead of on a row of its own.

test wrote:

Quote:
foo

new line
Quote:
foo
same line as foo

It might also be nice, if it’s not a lot of trouble, to make the simple post interpreter ignore newlines after a closing quote tag. Like, if there is a newline (or two) immediately after [/quote], don’t convert it into a <br /> break tag like it normally would. Just as a minor cleanup kind of thing, since otherwise it has a blank line between quoted text and the reply. It already appears to eat a newline or two before a quote, but not after.
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J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.

That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature:
<table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Not sure why it’s there, but it can be hidden with a small bit of (possibly-overzealous) CSS:
div.clear table { display: none; }

Or you can hide signatures entirely:
div.clear { display: none; }

As a default site-wide style, it might be nice to make signature text a little smaller:
div.clear { font-size: 70%; }

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ToyKeeper wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile

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Bort wrote:
Can we add automated multi quoting, perhaps select the threads you want then hit reply and all are available to be replied to

I would very much like this too, but I’m almost sure it’s not possible with this forum engine.

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@ToyKeeper: Thanks a lot for the excellent observations, I’ll see what I can do.

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sb56637 wrote:
@ToyKeeper: Thanks a lot for the excellent observations, I’ll see what I can do.

Yeah you have quite a resource there. ToyKeeper rocks!

I have to agree with TK on this:

“I could get behind having a way to ‘like’ posts and maybe a karma point system based on how many likes a person has received… To avoid drama though, a ‘dislike’ option might not be a good idea.”

A simple “helpful” button would suffice. I also agree that having a “like” and “dislike” button sounds like trouble. There’s no reason to make it easier for people to complain. A chance to give a nod to helpful members is something I can get behind.

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ToyKeeper wrote:

Heh, I like plain text ones :) , but I never much cared for the graphical ones. Smile

I agree. It’s like reading a book vs seeing the movie that was made from it. The plain text just fits your imagination better.

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I could get behind having a way to ‘like’ posts and maybe a karma point system based on how many likes a person has received… To avoid drama though, a ‘dislike’ option might not be a good idea.

It’s similar, but probably not such a good idea. Someone would attack another person in a clever way, then they would get ‘likes’ for it.
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sb56637 wrote:
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J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile


Ok now that was amusing. TK you’re geekiness sets a standard for aspiring geeks everywhere! Beer
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sb56637 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile


Bort had an image with a link and two quotes in his signature that got truncated on the upgrade

The Journal of Alternative Facts TM

"It is critical that there is a credible academic source for the growing and important discipline of alternative facts. This field of study will just keep winning, and we knew that all the best people would want to be on board. There is a real risk in the world today that people might be getting their information about science from actual scientists"

 

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Bort wrote:
sb56637 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile


Bort had an image with a link and two quotes in his signature that got truncated on the upgrade

Take that SB! Who’s busted now! Bort took you to Bort school!

Ok that was fun. Big Smile Obviously some glitches to work out. SB, I truly appreciate this thread where we can discuss and work out the bugs… and have a bit of fun in the mean time. Just another reason BLF is so great. Beer

J-Dub out…

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J-Dub74 wrote:
Bort wrote:
sb56637 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile


Bort had an image with a link and two quotes in his signature that got truncated on the upgrade

Take that SB! Who’s busted now! Bort took you to Bort school!

Ok that was fun. Big Smile Obviously some glitches to work out. SB, I truly appreciate this thread where we can discuss and work out the bugs… and have a bit of fun in the mean time. Just another reason BLF is so great. Beer

J-Dub out…


Bort’s truncated signature is not a jab at SB or anyone else, its an unintended consequence of the upgrade

The Journal of Alternative Facts TM

"It is critical that there is a credible academic source for the growing and important discipline of alternative facts. This field of study will just keep winning, and we knew that all the best people would want to be on board. There is a real risk in the world today that people might be getting their information about science from actual scientists"

 

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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but it appears to me that the links to “My Subscriptions” pages beyond the first page are broken.

The link to the second page should look like this:
http://budgetlightforum.com/my-subscriptions?page=1

but instead it looks like this, which breaks it for me:
http://budgetlightforum.com/my-subscriptions?timestamp=0&page=1

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wight wrote:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but it appears to me that the links to “My Subscriptions” pages beyond the first page are broken.

The link to the second page should look like this:
http://budgetlightforum.com/my-subscriptions?page=1

but instead it looks like this, which breaks it for me:
http://budgetlightforum.com/my-subscriptions?timestamp=0&page=1

Hmm, weird. Thanks for the report.

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New bug, i tried to edit this thread, i hit edit, switched to advanced post editor, then hit preview, most hard returns disappear along with some formatting
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/44591

The Journal of Alternative Facts TM

"It is critical that there is a credible academic source for the growing and important discipline of alternative facts. This field of study will just keep winning, and we knew that all the best people would want to be on board. There is a real risk in the world today that people might be getting their information about science from actual scientists"

 

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Hey sb56637 thanks for all you have done. Much appreciated.

Love the Top button. But it doesn’t go all the way to the top. If it went all the way to the top it would be GREAT.

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Bort wrote:
New bug, i tried to edit this thread, i hit edit, switched to advanced post editor, then hit preview, most hard returns disappear along with some formatting
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/44591

Hasn’t it always done that when you convert a post from simple to the advanced editor?

I’ve noticed lots of my posts (pre-upgrade) where someone with the advanced editor would quote me and reply, and all my linebreaks were gone along with some formatting. It’s because the simple posts don’t use the markup the advanced editor uses internally, and it includes the content as-is instead of trying to translate it.

Not sure about if it always did that while editing one of your own posts though. So that might be new.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Bort wrote:
New bug, i tried to edit this thread, i hit edit, switched to advanced post editor, then hit preview, most hard returns disappear along with some formatting
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/44591

Hasn’t it always done that when you convert a post from simple to the advanced editor?

I’ve noticed lots of my posts (pre-upgrade) where someone with the advanced editor would quote me and reply, and all my linebreaks were gone along with some formatting. It’s because the simple posts don’t use the markup the advanced editor uses internally, and it includes the content as-is instead of trying to translate it.

Not sure about if it always did that while editing one of your own posts though. So that might be new.

Yep, I agree this isn’t ideal, but it’s not new. It’s not really ideal to have two markup languages used interchangeably on a site, but it’s basically necessary for our needs

What you can do Bort is view the thread normally and before you hit EDIT copy the whole thing. Then, hit EDIT, switch from Simple to Advanced Post Editor, delete all the text, and then paste. This preserves the formatting (HTML) and lets you edit it visually.

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Bort wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Bort wrote:
sb56637 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
Maybe a better example is a couple posts up. Look at all the blank space below Bort’s posts #239 and #241. That’s more like what I’m trying to point out.
That’s not a forum issue. That’s because Bort has this in his signature: <table border="0" style="width: 837px; height: 179px;"><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>

Busted! Big Smile


Bort had an image with a link and two quotes in his signature that got truncated on the upgrade

Take that SB! Who’s busted now! Bort took you to Bort school!

Ok that was fun. Big Smile Obviously some glitches to work out. SB, I truly appreciate this thread where we can discuss and work out the bugs… and have a bit of fun in the mean time. Just another reason BLF is so great. Beer

J-Dub out…


Bort’s truncated signature is not a jab at SB or anyone else, its an unintended consequence of the upgrade

I don don’t think anyone saw it as a jab. I certainly didn’t. Just having a bit of fun Bort. Beer
There are plenty of unintended consequences involved in a project of this size. Some more frustrating than others. I’m sure all will be resolved given time.
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The OP (post # 1) has lost it’s “Quote” button after the transition.

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SB I hate to ask another question but until the automatic subscription can be fixed is there any chance of additional subscribe buttons? As far as I can tell right now the only place it exists is in the first post of any thread. If it were at least at the top and bottom of each page that would help in the interim. If it can’t happen I understand but I figured I’d ask. All your help is definitely appreciated. If I knew where you lived I’d bring you a six pack but since I dont… Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer

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Fixed the “Mark as read” button. Due to the ambiguity of the past participle of “read” in English I almost made the button say “Mark readed”. Silly

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J-Dub74 wrote:
SB I hate to ask another question but until the automatic subscription can be fixed is there any chance of additional subscribe buttons? As far as I can tell right now the only place it exists is in the first post of any thread. If it were at least at the top and bottom of each page that would help in the interim. If it can’t happen I understand but I figured I’d ask. All your help is definitely appreciated. If I knew where you lived I’d bring you a six pack but since I dont… Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer

Hi there J-Dub74, this is surely technically possible, but I sure don’t know how to do it. Smile My apologies!

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The OP (post # 1) has lost it’s “Quote” button after the transition.

Sorry about that, it appears to be broken.

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