SALE: Low-cost copper pills, spacers, optics, drop-ins.

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I hope everyone will agree to get rid of side grooves and other unuseful things. imagebam.com This design have about 5mm upper shelf than stock. Please check your lights, if you dont like this idea we can move it lower back.

I can’t speak for the ’68 as I don’t have one, but at least for the ’98, the piece with the front lens slides around the pill from the back end, and has an inner “ledge” to keep the pill from pushing through the other end. The pill then screws into the battery-tube.

This inner ledge keeps the slider+lens from being pulled off the tube completely. I think you’d need to keep the outer threads on the pill.

(Someone correct me if I’m wrong.)

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On the X-section drawing, also, you do want a depression cut out for the single emitter board to sit in.
(That’s been hard for a lot of manufacturers to get right, they cut the bottom cupped or domed, and too thin, if they have a ‘solid’ pill at all)

16mm boards should fit into that depression, flat back against the flat part of the pill, with a little bit of play but less than a millimeter or so around the edge, since the depression cut won’t have perfect right angles between side and base)

(A 10mm square Luxeon Rebel board will also fit nicely into that cutout — diagonal measure of that board is (square root of 200) = 14.14mm again leaving a tiny bit of play at the corners.)

We can probably drill our own holes in these things, or I can anyhow.

You don’t want the pill to have the completely flat top surface that people use for triples.

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the piece with the front lens slides around the pill from the back end, and has an inner “ledge” to keep the pill from pushing through the other end. The pill then screws into the battery-tube

That’s true for the SK68 as well. So yes, that puts a lower limit on the diameter of the pill.
The metal of the pill hitting that little ledge inside the slider is what keeps people from pulling the slider off the flashlight.

But you’re not making the sliders — just have to make sure the pill fits into the wider diameter (front end) of the slider and stops at the ledge inside the slider.

You can’t remove the slider until you unscrew the pill from the battery tube
(both the pill and the slider can rotate)

Then you can remove the slider with the pill still inside it, loose
Then you can push from the driver side to push the pill out the front (threaded) end of the slider.
If you push from the emitter side the pill slides back til it hits the ledge inside the slider and stops.

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Sometimes it is hard to understand you guys.
Drawing that I have shown have external threads.
Lower part of bezel, that slides together with the lens, is hold by pill`s largest diameter (it should be about 21.0mm) (there is step inside lower part of bezel).
PCB depression (I thought this is thermin from geografics), o-ring grooves, holes…going to be too expensive as I think.
Pill with flat surface is good for those who like:
- different pcbs (first time I have made some pill to fit 16mm noctigon and realizes that sinkpad requires 16.5mm place), even 20-21mm
- polish this surface
- use extra copper plates to make precision focus adjustment
Anyway I still havent received any info about this pcb shelf position. Im sure here lots of users that have tested SK68 with different leds.
Yes hank your description of slide boards are right.

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> hard to understand you guys.
Not your fault, words are hard to find to describe this stuff.

> step inside lower part of bezel.
“bezel” meaning the long tube that slides, right? That step sounds like what I see and how it works to stop the pill from sliding out the back end of that tube.

(I usually think bezel means the very frontmost part that screws on to hold the lens, but I understand what you mean there I think)

> PCB shelf

If the LED position is any closer than the stock distance to the lens at full extension, then you won’t get a focused image of the LED at full narrow zoom.
Most people like to see that.

(I don’t mind a defocused round spot with fuzzy edges myself, I get that when I stuff a disk of copper or aluminum onto the stock shelf, lifting a replacement LED up slightly)
(or for that matter when I use a LED that comes on a 1.5mm board — I think the stock thin aluminum board is at most 1mm thick, maybe less)

> too expensive
That’s what I was afraid might be the case, to get the cutout for the 16mm board, etc.

I think the single O-ring groove is necessary — without a groove for an O-ring or wire spring, the slider/focus will just flop around loosely if there’s a bit of a gap between battery tube and sliding tube. And I’d guess the dimensions on the clones are fairly loose so a pill needs that one O-ring to fill that gap.

I know people have replaced with thicker or thinner O-rings when the slider was too tight or too loose, or added a bit of lubrication to it.

For a flat top pill, I guess we can drill and tap holes for screws to hold the emitter in place — which would be better than the press-fit washer to hold it down.
Or solder a copper board LED to the pill, if there’s a way to keep it centered while soldering. I have got to learn that sometime (grin)

And centering the LED isn’t all that important for lens-type zoomies anyhow, as long as it’s fairly close to center, it looks fine.

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Wait on someone smarter than me to comment, this is a good start.
I can’t speak to the measurements. Looks good to me though.

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hank wrote:
PS — for this kind of gift-giving, I like the “#3 zoom” better than the SK68.

these: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USA-RU-Mini-Penlight-Led-Flashlight-ZOOMABLE-7W-CREE-Q5-2000lm-ZOOM-Tactical-AA-or-14500/32723690979.html

Fewer sharp corners, more pocket-friendly. Also takes the 15mm SK68 driver and same emitter

And when a millimeter is filed off the slider, bringing the lens right down to the LED, they give a generous flood, while the narrow beam isn’t affected.

I won one of those in a Gearabest giveaway awhile back. I put a 14500 battery in it and it is a neat little light. Can’t beat it for the $$.

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Hello!

Is this stuff what I think it is?: DIY 20.8mm(D) x 16mm(H) Aluminium Driver Pillar Set for LED Flashlights

Compared to my clones, the shelf seems thinner (located a bit upwards) and the threading is longer. I have a couple of 'em and they use a different pill threading Facepalm ; the bodies also differ a bit in lenght. 

 

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Yes, they should fit. If they exist, I suppose nobody will be interested in same design copper pills for $13-15.

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Not sure how much of the cost is the material/effort of cutting copper.
Have you made any pills with the back plane out of aluminum?
That would avoid the metal-on-metal spalling/corrosion
For 1-2-amp power the little zoom lights should be ok for heat.

I tried asking at that page Barkuti points to whether anyone knows what those fit (or don’t fit)

I want someone to invent a little magic box into which I can put a threaded item, and have it read out the definition of the thread so it can be matched!
But I suspect a lot of cheap flashlights don’t even use a standard thread specification (sigh)

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For cheap hosts like the SK68, it might be preferable for a host to be provided with the pill, because of how many inconsistencies there are out there.

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hank wrote:
Not sure how much of the cost is the material/effort of cutting copper.
Have you made any pills with the back plane out of aluminum?
That would avoid the metal-on-metal spalling/corrosion
For 1-2-amp power the little zoom lights should be ok for heat.

I tried asking at that page Barkuti points to whether anyone knows what those fit (or don’t fit)

I want someone to invent a little magic box into which I can put a threaded item, and have it read out the definition of the thread so it can be matched!
But I suspect a lot of cheap flashlights don’t even use a standard thread specification (sigh)


Material cost of such parts is less than 10% from machining cost.
I dont think there is any need in any aluminium pills.
Those pills should fit well.
As I can say most cheap lights have metric threads, while more expensive one mostly have some exotic shape threads.
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> Yes, they should fit. If they exist

DX apparently has sold out of them.

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kiriba-ru wrote:
Yes, they should fit. If they exist, I suppose nobody will be interested in same design copper pills for $13-15.

Mmm, not so sure. My cheap hosts' hollow pills measure 14mm, which is 2mm short of that (now out of stock) pill at Kaidomain. 

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For cheap hosts like the SK68, it might be preferable for a host to be provided with the pill, because of how many inconsistencies there are out there.

Agree. I think it would make much more sense to get on machining custom, well designed hosts.

Yesterday I stacked a barrage of sense resistors on a 3-mode SK68 clone driver in order to seriously improve the driving current with Ni-MHs, and added another boost cap. Result: neither visual (tailcap sprint bypassed) nor multimeter tailcap amps discernible. 

Particularly I thought that, since the crappy boost driver had not li-ion low voltage protection/shutdown, and not wanting to make any sort of exotic mod to put a 14500 protection PCB inside the pill, I'd go the Ni-MH route. But alas, driver replacement too? The whole idea is stupid I now think, a good li-ion 14500 is an under-developed crap too, and fitting one of those new 16650s would require a custom-crafted tube extension. The whole sheesh is an unbeliebable pile of… sheesh; a good pilled Ultrafire XM-L2 SK98 plus an XP-G3 is cheaper and will easily blow away any ignominious frankenstein improvement mods over SK68s, it's a failure by design. 

Sorry for the rant. 

 

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You rant for me too.

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the Ni-MH route. But alas, driver replacement too?

Alas. MtnElectronics had one decent 1xAA boost driver, now down to none for sale on the site.
RMM has said that he’s had thoughts about someday making and selling a decent 1xAA/2xAA driver.
May the day come.

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Convoy M1 and Kronos X5 Builds. Right off everything was received extremely well packed in plastic case’s, Most Excellent! The usual prep and pre-fitting, go’s with out saying, making sure surfaces are flat and smooth, I pre-assemble everything, just don’t need the Oh chit’s in the midst of your builds, whether it’s the custom parts or the host, it happens!

p. Everything received was well engineered and machined, but some de-burring and finishing, polishing is expected. I had to open up the lead holes a bit for 20awg silicone wire, .148” (3.77mm) no big deal!

p. Only problem(s) was with the Khatod optic fitting for the M1 pill which I came up with 2 way’s to get around it. EDIT:The Kronos X5 the bezel would not close all the way, so I choose not to use the lens, instead of removing stock from the bottom of the pill, again no big deal, the o-ring seals the optic in any ways! Thumbs Up EDIT EDIT EDIT: I had the SS ring upside down, on the X5, It Fits Perfect if the o-ring lip is up! My bad! BUT+ It works for me beacuase I don’t like to use the glass, I like the emitters/optics as close as possible to the main bezel, so there ya go, learned something else today! Big thanks to you kiriba-ru for helping me out and being concerned about your products! Beer

p. Clearance the legs of the Khatod optic, or clearance channels done by filing. If I build anymore, I’ll use the clearance channels filed into the pill, because I stressed one of the legs and scratched the bottom of one of the optics, which can be seen when looking into the optic in moonlight mode, but dosen’t show in the beam.

All and all extremely happy with these builds using your custom parts! Excellent job “kiriba-ru”!!! Thumbs Up Beer

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Very nice mod, I have parts for the Convoy M1 quad, but I am still looking for the optics. It has proven difficult to find it without paying a small fortune in shipping.

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khas wrote:
Very nice mod, I have parts for the Convoy M1 quad, but I am still looking for the optics. It has proven difficult to find it without paying a small fortune in shipping.

Yea, and their expensive to boot on top of it! I like triples much better, 4 LED’s is way too much for 14500, let alone a 18650. Facepalm Hahaa not like a triple is easier on them. Big Smile Maybe a 26650 or 32650 triple or quad Hmmm? Wink

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I have been looking at the TrustFire A8 for a quad conversion, but for now because of your great pictures, I have ordered the BLF X5 Carclo quad copper spacer+ss liner Facepalm . I have a quad 219C D320 I think will be a good match for my copper X5.

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Already received my order, very good packaging.
All is good, S2+ pill fit perfectly. Thanks you kiriba-ru. Thumbs Up

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Thanks Kiriba, excellently packaged and recieved very fast. Smile I am sure I will buy more, just need to figure out what I want to do with these first. I am looking for a quad nichia 219B 5700k

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Thanks Kiriba, excellently packaged and recieved very fast. Smile I am sure I will buy more, just need to figure out what I want to do with these first. I am looking for a quad nichia 219B 5700k

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s57 what host are you going to put these P60 pills in?

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Despite these having a small taper at the bottom it is not nearly enough to fit a surefire branded light as I had intended, it sticks out as it will not slide in all the way. However it fits perfect with some foil on the sides in my Solarforce L2P Smile

Just need to figure out what I want to build

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Okay folks, I don't have a fancy camera or computer, just my cell phone. I did the best I could. 

I don't have any build pics but kawiboy did basically the same thing I did as far as getting the M1 together. I put together a MTN-17DDm kit with bypassed springs and copper contacts and used a variety of XPL HI LED's that were salvaged from 4 Kronos X5/X6 boards. Two cool whites and two neutrals. 

I've always liked the form of the M1 and in quad configuration with the khatod optic it's my new favorite light. It's well over 3500 lumens and it can really take the heat. 

I loaded the little X5 with the same driver as the M1 along with 4 of the new XPG3's. 

Big thanks to kiriba-ru for offering these heatsinks. They turned out really nice. 

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Very nice pictures, I like the bezel on the M1 Thumbs Up

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Just got some XP-G3’s and wanted to say thanks for the good packaging and nice communication!

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Upcoming parts:
- X6 copper spacers
- S2+ triple pills RR
- M1 quad kits
will be ready in a week
Thinking about
- X7 copper (?) spacer
- F13 triple spacer (I prefer design that provides heat transfer to sides so it requires some anodizing sanding with dremel)
-more M2 quad kits (how many?)
-P60 empty drop-ins for single led (any optics suggestions?)
-P60 solid copper neck
Delays in production:
- U11 quad kit
- Z1 copper pills
Other news:
Last few Cute-3M optics in stock. Restock not possible. Probably I will have some Cute-3SS in the end of October.
Khatod PL136915 is sold out. Do we need more of them? Still no feedback here.
LL01CR-BLU03L06 (similar to Khatod PL1672UN). Same question.

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Great , i see you bumped alot your portfolio, great modding stuff indeed, keep the good work going!

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Interested in a few copper spacers for the convoy S2/S6, will you ship to canada?

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Will you be getting anymore of the Single led TIR lenses? Those are one TIR I have not tried yet, I am curious how they compare to the ones I am using now.

BTW, the S2+ triple spacers I got look great! I plan to build some mixed tint lights when the LED’s come in with them.

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They are little pricey, I cant afford having them in stock if Im not sure that they whould be sold in the limited time. Thats why Im asking. Also I wonder why some such rare parts that I had sold by 10-20pcs quantity were not mentioned anywere on BLF. Maybe if they were it was more real to open small GBs and provide as much as blf users need.

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