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twodollarbill wrote:
For what it’s worth, I too ordered the light through Aliexpress from the Elfeland Outdoor Lighting Store.

I placed my order on Sept. 15th, and late yesterday got a notice that my light has shipped. Tracking is showing that it has departed the sorting center.


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1. I’m ok with the suspension in production while they make sure they have it right.
2. I don’t care for the lighted side switch and will disable mine upon delivery.
3. I have 6 Nitecore lights, 2 that don’t have a potential for alignment and the other 4 are mis-aligned. (one of those 2 is the cast EC4, the other is the Concept 1)
4. We used to EXPECT a $40 light to have issues that needed fixing, some of us looked forward to it so we could mod them into better lights. Wink
5. Suffering is suffering, always a perception issue. Some people work themselves up over almost nothing while others are able to absorb extremes without a blink. Such is life.
6. Who wants to step into The Miller’s shoes to solve these comparatively trivial issues? Certainly not I!
7. Custom BLF designs eQ8 to a fantastic experience, this one an epic adventure of gigantic proportions that will most definitely be remembered for quite a while! Big Smile Thanks Team, nice work…

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I wonder how long it takes to see cheap low quality clones of our Q8 as it happened with former SRK

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Flashy Mike wrote:
I wonder how long it takes to see cheap low quality clones of our Q8 as it happened with former SRK

l can bet not that long….somewhere in China l am 101% sure someone’s lathe is already churning out tubes.

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JasonWW wrote:

Do you mean the flashlight is doa or the switch lights are not working?

If the flashlight is doa, then that is the first reported one. They are supposed to check all flashlights at thorfire to be working or not.

Please clarify.

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It ‘appears’ it was just a faulty solder joint Jason… Nothing more as far as I know now.
No more questions about this please. I will report final results about this tonight or in the morning.
I think I have deleted ever reference I have made to this except the original report. I can’t delete quotes though.
I am pretty tired of getting RUDE marks for trying to do the right thing in reporting this & then being accused of being vague & elusive about it after PM’s with The Miller & TomE about what was going on.
So be it… no more answers from me till it is fixed or goes to TomE.
That is all.

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twodollarbill wrote:
For what it’s worth, I too ordered the light through Aliexpress from the Elfeland Outdoor Lighting Store.

I placed my order on Sept. 15th, and late yesterday got a notice that my light has shipped. Tracking is showing that it has departed the sorting center.

All the while l really thought BLF’ers got the first crack of all the production capacity considering the number of interested people in the list, and now the backlog….l wonder how many percent of the production were appropriated initially or diverted to this dealer.

l feel sorry for the Q8 team who worked so hard to make this project a reality and also of equal importance are the thousands of people who expressed interest and eventually ordered and paid, only to be torpedoed by Elfeland.

Btw, who owns Elfeland?

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This is my question also. I wonder if they have stock right now, it’s really un telling how long it will take through banggood especially when other organizations seemingly are getting access to the “faulty” ones already produced. Does this mean those 2000 lights are not going to be disassembled and then reassembled with corrected indicator lights, or is thorfire making new ones and allowing the others to be sold to other vendors. Perhaps the Miller could try to find out for us because if so this is rediculous. I ordered on September the 7th at 7:00 pm central us time. I have yet to receive any shipping notice whatsoever and it still shows backorder on banggood website. If the above is correct, thorfire is going to have a lot of unhappy customers.

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I have a question for Thorfire: Which type of anodisation has the Q8?

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I ordered one Q8 on 9/7 and just checked my Banggood account and it is still backordered.
The four Samsong 30Qs I also ordered will be delivered tomorrow. Four extra batteries and no light. Other vendors have the light available for sale. I thought BLF had the first 2000, and then Thorfire might produce others for the public.

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Do you think we can find out more details on the switch problem? What is the likelihood that this will develop later for people with the first batch of lights? Since I’m a flashlight enthusiast without a purpose Smile I don’t really use it much. I just don’t want to have this fail on me 2 years down the road when support and interest has long dropped off. If Thorfire is changing their board layout to make a better, more stable switch is it possible to get a replacement? I don’t mind shelling out a few bucks to buy it as I’m still interested in changing out the LEDs (and having a spare board would give me peace of mind if I really can’t solder such small components properly). I just ordered 2 sets of LEDs – 100× 0603 pink ones and another 20x each of red, white, blue, yellow and green for a grand total of $1.27.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-100pcs-SMD-SMT-Super-Bright-Surface-Mount-0603-1608-Light-Emitting-Diode-LED-Diode/32368361712.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-colors-x20pcs-100pcs-SMD-0603-led-Super-Bright-Red-Green-Blue-Yellow-White-Water-Clear/32383494488.html

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Did the same thing, just ordered some leds and resistors, if that’s the only fault with the light it’s not exactly hard to fix.

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Bc412 wrote:
So I took my tracking # from bg's website and plugged it directly into FedEx website and got a result. Track17 did not work. Mine was delivered to California on the 15th and is expected to get to me on the 27th. So in my case the delay doesn't seem to be BG but rather with fedex. Go figure. 8 days from. China to CA and 12 days from CA to NY. I'm expecting that it will arrive before the 27th as it is in Minnesota now.

Use the YT... number, labeled as "Reference" on FedEx tracking in 17track.net, but probably won't get anything more than what's on FedEx. FedEx goes thru stages, so maybe your's got stuck in customs?

My recent bunch took 4 1/2 days to cross the country (left LA, arrived in NJ), 6 days delivered from first FedEx event in LA.

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Not exactly easy either, those tiny SMD LED’s are so easily damaged by the soldering iron. Blow hot air on em while holding em down and you may melt the plastic switch housing, of course that can be removed first but every time it’s soldered you stand a greater chance of melting it. (I know, it looks like metal, it’s a plastic housing underneath that face plate)

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tatasal wrote:
twodollarbill wrote:
For what it’s worth, I too ordered the light through Aliexpress from the Elfeland Outdoor Lighting Store.

I placed my order on Sept. 15th, and late yesterday got a notice that my light has shipped. Tracking is showing that it has departed the sorting center.

All the while l really thought BLF’ers got the first crack of all the production capacity considering the number of interested people in the list, and now the backlog….l wonder how many percent of the production were appropriated initially or diverted to this dealer.

l feel sorry for the Q8 team who worked so hard to make this project a reality and also of equal importance are the thousands of people who expressed interest and eventually ordered and paid, only to be torpedoed by Elfeland.

Btw, who owns Elfeland?


The Miller states here that Elfeland is a BangGood account. I really don’t think any appreciable number of lights have been diverted in this manner.

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Lot of questions, let me give a go at it but first Teacher.

Teacher, I don’t know who is ruding you. I do know it can’t be the fact that you report an issue.
A big issue too.
It is important people know it is safe and appreciated if issues are posted.
I think you are being relaxed about this huge problem too, thank you for that, people can get worked up over small things so a DOA at the wrong person could have flared a lot of stress.
Maybe it is the vagueness despite we all wanting to know what is up and posting elaborate about not being able to post about the issue that ticked people off? Who knows.
Just ignore that rude bar and focus on good pics of the place the wire should be, the wire and ideally seen from different angles.
Thanks.
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Elfeland is Banggood, that is 99% sure. It probably is another branch of BG we are dealing with and I would not take shipping notices very serious. AliExpress let’s sellers extend purchase protection, during which time opening a dispute is pointless. So they can’t ship but know they will and if needed extend protection a few times.

Anodization, that is a tough one
We asked type2 for easy color changing. We asked to check it when improving the Banggood listing, and HA3 stayed.
My proto color change was extremely hard, type2 is a breeze.
Yet HA3 should go to olive drab and my proto did show nice colors.
So let’s go with HA2,51 Big Smile

It seems the switch assembly issue is due to mismatched SMD LEDs and maybe some solder issues on the resistor (most likely worst case scenario, two very mismatched LEDs and not 100% good soldering of the resistor.)
From what we now know, the problem shows itself pretty fast after starting to use the Q8.
It looks like a non issue if your Q8 keeps it on the first day.
The play time one has with a new light seems enough to bring it to the surface.
Not all have mismatched LEDs so the chance of having both that and a solder problem are small.

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Thanks for the updates, The Miller.

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The Miller wrote:
Elfeland is Banggood, that is 99 100% sure.

FTFY, Astrolux is Banggood and Elfeland is the only aliexpress shop selling Astrolux flashlights.
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Tally-ho wrote:
The Miller wrote:
Elfeland is Banggood, that is 99 100% sure.

FTFY, Astrolux is Banggood and Elfeland is the only aliexpress shop selling Astrolux flashlights.

Well, I don’t want to be part of any arguments about it, but I’m in agreement that the Q8 lights shouldn’t have sold in any way, shape, or form, on any website, under any conditions, until the GB list was satisfied. And by “satisfied” I mean all shipped. I’m sure Banggood had “good reasons” for it, but I don’t personally like it. And furthermore, it makes running down and fixing issues a bigger problem for the Q8 team, unless they just disavow all the non-GB sold lights, which would be fine by me.

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I’m still interested in changing out the LEDs (and having a spare board would give me peace of mind if I really can’t solder such small components properly).

Me too, but anything further on this should belong in the “Modding” thread
(I’ll copy this over there)

That’s: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55026

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DavidEF wrote:
Tally-ho wrote:
The Miller wrote:
Elfeland is Banggood, that is 99 100% sure.
FTFY, Astrolux is Banggood and Elfeland is the only aliexpress shop selling Astrolux flashlights.
Well, I don’t want to be part of any arguments about it, but I’m in agreement that the Q8 lights shouldn’t have sold in any way, shape, or form, on any website, under any conditions, until the GB list was satisfied. And by “satisfied” I mean all shipped. I’m sure Banggood had “good reasons” for it, but I don’t personally like it. And furthermore, it makes running down and fixing issues a bigger problem for the Q8 team, unless they just disavow all the non-GB sold lights, which would be fine by me.

There….you….go.

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Well I kind of think Elfeland being BG is the same.
People with issues have a choice,
EITHER
try customer support or AE messaging that is aimed at stalling by people not knowing about flashlights or the Q8
OR
post here

I know what I prefer Wink

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The Miller wrote:

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focus on good pics of the place the wire should be, the wire and ideally seen from different angles.

Amen, amen. Pointing out where to look for potential failures is the kind of help we all appreciate.
A cold solder joint can crack and eventually separate and that’s easy to fix, if you know where to put the soldering iron briefly.

Seems like they’re doing a production line where each worker does a single operation (e.g. one guy was putting on the left switch LED from one reel, then passing the board on to the other guy who was putting the right LED on from a different reel, then passing it on to the guy putting the resistor on …..)

So if there’s a problem with one particular solder join being poorly done (too fast so it’s a cold solder spot that will crack later, for example) — that’s a QA type situation where identifying the possible problem can help everyone look for it.

Hm. Why didn’t they have those guys place all the components, then another guy solder them with a heat gun? Oh, well …

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Not exactly easy either, those tiny SMD LED’s are so easily damaged by the soldering iron. Blow hot air on em while holding em down and you may melt the plastic switch housing, of course that can be removed first but every time it’s soldered you stand a greater chance of melting it. (I know, it looks like metal, it’s a plastic housing underneath that face plate)

Happend to me more often than i liked. A pice of kapton tape used as a temp shield helps a bit. And if you really pop the switch get 50 new ones from BG for ~2$ (https://www.banggood.com/50pcs-4×4×2_5mm-Waterproof-Copper-Button-SMD-Tactile-Tact-Micro-Push-Switch-4-Pin-p-1024026.html?rmmds=myorder).

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piyoman wrote:
…I just ordered 2 sets of LEDs – 100× 0603 pink ones and another 20x each of red, white, blue, yellow and green for a grand total of $1.27.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-100pcs-SMD-SMT-Super-Bright-Surface-Mount-0603-1608-Light-Emitting-Diode-LED-Diode/32368361712.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-colors-x20pcs-100pcs-SMD-0603-led-Super-Bright-Red-Green-Blue-Yellow-White-Water-Clear/32383494488.html

So far i had no real worries about the switch leds… even planning on disabling them if they are too bright or faulty… But a few people mentioned PINK leds and now i want some in my Q8! What’s wrong with me? Facepalm

Soldering those rice grains does not look easy though… Sad

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Soldering those rice grains does not look easy though… Sad

Soldering them on is easy, it’s removing the old ones that are tricky.

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Right Jason…. and those hot pink ones like in Jason’s avatar have a violet or light purple kind of cast to them that I find appealing, I typically do just like Jason did there and use one blue and one pink and like the effect. Although on my L6 I have 2 pink and it’s really nice too. Wink


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The Miller I am simply concerned that someone who ordered a q8 8 days after myself and approximately 1400 other blf members has received a shipping notice from Ali Express. Is that not a bit odd? I would like to know if find what’s going on there if you don’t mind. It seems to me to be underhanded at best. If all of those lights that aren’t up to blf standards are being sold at another vendor and the only issue is a possibility of uneven brightness on indicator leds. Especially if they are making all new lights and the other 2k are to be sold as is. I just find this to be odd and you wanted questions to banggood to go through you. I personally would love to know the answer to that one

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JasonWW wrote:
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Soldering those rice grains does not look easy though... :(
Soldering them on is easy, it's removing the old ones that are tricky.

Not really, least for me. Put solder on your iron tip, apply to the SMD LED - no problem - really doesn't matter if you damage the LED's you are removing. I've done this many time, not just with LED's.

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No scathing criticism from me. Just nice pics! Lol

Mismatched is purdy. Love

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Joey Adams wrote:
The Miller I am simply concerned that someone who ordered a q8 8 days after myself and approximately 1400 other blf members has received a shipping notice from Ali Express. Is that not a bit odd? I would like to know if find what’s going on there if you don’t mind. It seems to me to be underhanded at best. If all of those lights that aren’t up to blf standards are being sold at another vendor and the only issue is a possibility of uneven brightness on indicator leds. Especially if they are making all new lights and the other 2k are to be sold as is. I just find this to be odd and you wanted questions to banggood to go through you. I personally would love to know the answer to that one

I get you.
My estimate is that there is no way another 1000 were made just to sell via Banggoods AliExpress store. They have the same source.
AliExpress is strict when it cones to terms so not marked as shipped means cancel and refund. So they say shipped awaiting the real shipping. Vendors can extend purchase protection so they have the time as soon as they marked it shipped.
There is no short cut there, just a few extra $ to pay to get a non working tracking

If this is not satisfying enough I will ask Banggood, but I doubt they want to be all that open about how things are connected.
I only learned about OEMs and connections from Neal when he left Banggood and only when I promised not to post about what brand is actually made by who. They just love to keep things in the dark you know..

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