OMFG! LiitoKala 26650-50A 5000mAh li-ions?

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OMFG! LiitoKala 26650-50A 5000mAh li-ions?

1PCS LiitoKala 26650-50A 5000mah 26650 Li-ion 3.7v Rechargeable Battery for Flashlight 20A

If this is serious LOL , we need a review ASAP!

 

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I think there´s just a 0 too much. 5A could be true, with the real capacity around 4000 mAh for those.
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Kusie wrote:
I think there´s just a 0 too much. 5A could be true, with the real capacity around 4000 mAh for those.
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Size-for-size, there is plenty reason to believe a 26650 can be 5000mAh, if a 18650 can be 3500mAh! In fact, if total volume is the determining factor, it should be possible to reach 7000mAh with current technology! And 50A discharge would only be a measly 10C rate for a 5000mAH cell – also easy to do! I can’t think of any reason not to believe a 50A 5000mAh cell exists!

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Wait-a-minute! LOL at this nugget in the description:

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Exact replacement for standard AA size battery in all the devices.

Can be used as a exact replacement for standard AA size batteries in most all equipments.

No, folks, this cell cannot be used as a direct replacement for AA in any device!

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Kusie wrote:
I think there´s just a 0 too much. 5A could be true, with the real capacity around 4000 mAh for those. K.

 

26650-50A seems to be a sort of Samsung style model number.

5A continuous would, in fact, be considered a poor rating. 20A, a decent one, for sort of a 18650 2500mAh 10A rated 26650 equivalent battery. smile

 

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Surely there is some mistake in this part of the description “Exact replacement for standard AA size battery in all the devices.
Can be used as a exact replacement for standard AA size batteries in most all equipments.”
A 26650 is a completely different size & voltage to an AA ?
Also it also says 20A in the description so it is being rated at 50A pulse & 20A continuous.
Plenty of 26650 clls are rated at this or even higher with some rated at 64A pulse & 30A continuous.
However when they have been tested by HKJ or mooch it is has been found that the claims are exaggerated.
The price though, which I guess is what Barkuti was OMFG“ing about is exceptionally low so just to see I have ordered 2 pieces & will test them to see how they compare to my KP, Basen & Thorfire 26650 cells Wink
I think I will need to buy some more 26650 form lights Smile

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Kusie wrote:
I think there´s just a 0 too much. 5A could be true, with the real capacity around 4000 mAh for those. K.

 


26650-50A seems to be a sort of Samsung style model number.


5A continuous would, in fact, be considered a poor rating. 20A, a decent one, for sort of a 18650 2500mAh 10A rated 26650 equivalent battery. 


 


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Liitokala make good quality chargers, I have 5 of them, so based on that I am prepared to risk $12 Smile
I did the same with the Thorfire 26650“s which were about the same price as these Liitokala 26650“s.
I knew that Thorfire made good quality lights as I already had 3 of them so took a chance when I saw them advertising 5000 mah INR 26650 cells & bought 2 & have been very happy with them Smile

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Any reason to believe this is actually made by liitokala? I only see claim by seller, but nothing else.

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… Liitokala make good quality chargers, I have 5 of them, so based on that I am prepared to risk $12 Smile

 

Did you checked the seller's store? Snow White's store Electronics.

I like what I see there, pricing & product range wise.

Those ICR18650-30B perfect laptop pack overhauling units are well priced, except for the fact that 100 units is the minimum order. surprised

 

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P.S.: one of those 26650-50A LiitoKala packs is calling me too…

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The description states:

“Akku für Taschenlampe 20A” which means “Battery for flashlight 20A”.
Could hold the same cell as the Evva 26650/5200……?
If that is the case, its certainly NOT a high drain cell.

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Any reason to believe this is actually made by liitokala? I only see claim by seller, but nothing else.

No obviously not the same as with other 26650 cells there is no way of knowing.
Thorfire for example claim they have their own cell factory making their own cells but I know for a fact that their 3000 mah 18650 cell is in fact a re-wrapped Samsung 30B.
So by their own cell do they actually mean their own re-wrap ?
I am led to believe that there are only a few factories making 26650“s which are then wrapped as various brands.
This Liitokala 26650 dosen“t have the word “fire” in the name & the specs are more than believable at 5000 mah 50A pulse & 20A continuous so for the price I am willing to take a gamble.
I will use my analysing charger which will show me ma capacity & IR during charge & discharge so that will tell me if the cell is any good.
I already have 26650 Keeppowers which are regarded as a good quality cell but the much cheaper Basen & Thorfire 26650“s I have have also proved to be good & for half the price of the KP“s so hopefully these “Liitokala“s will prove the same.
If not I have only wasted $12 Wink

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Well, I opened this thread for the fact that the only trustworthy reference I could figure behind these cell(s) is their brand name. If the cells manage to deliver close to 5000mAh with good 15+A performance, I'm sold. Thumbs Up

 

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Nicolaas wrote:
The description states:

“Akku für Taschenlampe 20A” which means “Battery for flashlight 20A”.
Could hold the same cell as the Evva 26650/5200……?
If that is the case, its certainly NOT a high drain cell.

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Even if the Liitokala 26650 cell proves only to be 20A pulse & 10A continuous drain it will still be more than enough for most lights which will typically only draw around 5A or so unless it is a modded monster.
At about 5 euro“s a piece they are about a third of what I paid for the KP“s so worth a gamble IMO & I was lucky with the cheap Basen“s & Thorfires I have already bought as they have proved to be good cells so far.

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… Even if the Liitokala 26650 cell proves only to be 20A pulse & 10A continuous drain it will still be more than enough for most lights which will typically only draw around 5A or so unless it is a modded monster. At about 5 euro"s a piece they are about a third of what I paid for the KP"s so worth a gamble IMO & I was lucky with the cheap Basen"s & Thorfires I have already bought as they have proved to be good cells so far.

 

Right on. The closest thing I've seen are these HETER 4500mAh 3.7V 26650 INR Rechargeable Li-ion Battery - 2PCS BLUE which have not been formally reviewed, to my knowledge.

 

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Barkuti wrote:
Well, I opened this thread for the fact that the only trustworthy reference I could figure behind these cell(s) is their brand name. If the cells manage to deliver close to 5000mAh with good 15+A performance, I’m sold.

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Once I get the cells that I just ordered I will post up my results in this thread.
As I have said in a previous post these are more than likely just wrapped in Liitokala wraps as I doubt they have suddenly opened up their own cell factory & will have come from the same factory as several other “brands” of 26650“s.
I would guess that these will prove to really be somewhere between 25-40A pulse & 10-20A continuous drain cells.
I cannot discharge above 5A myself but certainly will be able to post capacity, ir & how they perform against my other 26650 cells.
I do not have any lights at present that draw more than about 5.5A so I guess they will be fine for me.

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You can make an estimation of discharge capacity current handling ability by determining the battery's internal resistance. One of the easiest methods I can figure out for that is to measure, with a precise multimeter, the voltage at the battery terminals when applying a given load resistance to it: a 1Ω resistor, for example. After measuring the no load voltage, the measured load voltage (for a 1Ω resistor) should be equal to the current flow in amps. Thus, the no load minus load voltage delta divided by the current flow should equal the given battery's internal resistance.

Sorry if that is difficult to understand, I feel a bit thick today. yell

 

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We all know these are rewrapped and probably one of the same cells as the fake Basens in the fake Basen group buy

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We all know these are rewrapped and probably one of the same cells as the fake Basens in the fake Basen group buy

What is the problem with the Basen“s & why do you think that they were fake ?
This is a 15A constant drain test performed on a number of different 26650 cells & the Basen“s performed as well as the competition

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/26650-battery-bench-test...

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You can make an estimation of discharge capacity by determining the battery's internal resistance.

How do you propose to compute capacity given only IR?

Discharge capacity is what I said (and I meant current/power handling). The power lost inside the battery's innards is a function of I²R, which should be kept minimized and determines, not only the amount of power at the load, but also how fast the power source (battery) will heat up.

Gold rule: use a power source whose impedance is sufficiently enough orders of magnitude below the load impedance.

 

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P.S.: take a nasty full loaded ICR li-ion and shortcircuit it with a nice copper/alu cable and… hurry up! Throw that burning wick firecracker away LOL!

P.S.2: quick semantic fix.

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On the front page of their store they list 3000mAh BTY AA cells.
I don’t trust them

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For $12 I am willing to take the risk (actually I have as I have ordered a pair) Smile
At the end of the day though with Aliexpress you have this “Full or Partial Refund , if the item is not as described” so if the cells turn out to be utter junk, & you are willing to go through the hassle for $12, you can get a refund so I don“t see this as an unacceptable risk Wink
They are normally pretty good to deal with as well in my experience.

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dchomak wrote:
On the front page of their store they list 3000mAh BTY AA cells. I don't trust them

 

“Batteries” at pccomponentes.com <- Take a look here. What do you see? surprised

For your information, that is one of the biggest and most reputable online computer and electronics stuff vendor in Spain (and they are just a few miles away from my house).

Get over it. Dumb products for dumb people I guess. Facepalm

 

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… You did not answer the question. In any case, what you claim is impossible. Read the literature on fuel gauges if you wish to learn more on this topic.

What question?

 

Sorry if my semantic has not been clear enough. With “discharge capacity” I meant to refer to the ability to deliver sustained/peak current flow or power delivery, i.e. current handling. Hope what I said makes sense, I'm going to edit these previous posts.

 

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Sorry!

My native language is Castilian spanish and, among bits and bobs, sometimes trying to figure out how to put into english words certain stuff can be a hassle. Ughh

 

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All I’m saying is that even the wrapper didn’t mention Liitokala.

Original liitokala wraps looks like these:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Liitokala-18650-2600-battery/21786...

Let’s refrain from using this name only based on dubious seller claim. If it turns out bad and it is fake, liitokala gets the burn for no reason. Who knows maybe this name is the next “Ultrafire” where every seller and manufacturer claim to make/sell them. Big Smile

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bella-headlight wrote:
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We all know these are rewrapped and probably one of the same cells as the fake Basens in the fake Basen group buy

What is the problem with the Basen“s & why do you think that they were fake ?
This is a 15A constant drain test performed on a number of different 26650 cells & the Basen“s performed as well as the competition

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/26650-battery-bench-test...

the basens in the test that you link to had real basen wrappers, the basens in the group buy did not have real basen wrappers. but they still could have been the same battery inside, or the same battery as the liitacala.. i have not seen a discharge test and review on the fake wrapper basens. and there’s two fakes to test.
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Performance of your aforementioned high-drain 26650's: preposterously underwhelming. Tired

I'd better stick an ANR26650M1A/B LiFePO4 on a mech mod, as far as vaping performance is concerned of course.

 

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tarver wrote:
the basens in the test that you link to had real basen wrappers, the basens in the group buy did not have real basen wrappers. but they still could have been the same battery inside, or the same battery as the liitacala.. i have not seen a discharge test and review on the fake wrapper basens. and there’s two fakes to test.

Sorry tarver but that is not true.
My Basen“s that I received in the group buy are genuine with genuine wrappers.
They also have a hologram & scratch off security verification code & when I enter the code in the Basen security verifier I get this messeage
“Hello, the batteries or chargers that you are checking now is original one which is produced by Basen Technology, please feel free to use it!”
I am pretty sure that the Basen“s I got from the group buy are authentic Wink
As to there being 2 fakes to test I think that you should go back to the Basen thread as maybe you have not seen the later posts & clarifications, including specs from Basen themselves.
There were 2 genuine versions of this cell available at about the same time & some members got the earlier version whilst some members got the newer version.
The older version weighed about 95g (confirmed by Basen“s specs) & when discharged at lowish ma“s showed around 4700mah.
The new improved version weighs about 90g (again confirmed by Basen“s own specs for their new cell) & when discharged shows about 4300mah.
Although the new “improved” cell is lighter & has a little less capacity it also has less internal resistance so has slightly less voltage sag when used on high drain.
Either version is a very good cell for the money & I have seen no reports of fakes once the misunderstanding regarding the new & older versions was explained & also it was realised by one poster that his testing was incorrect giving the impression that there were 3 different cells when in fact there was just 2 versions, both genuine, just one being a newer but still authentic version Smile

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bella-headlight wrote:
… Either version is a very good cell for the money & I have seen no reports of fakes once the misunderstanding regarding the new & older versions was explained & also it was realised by one poster that his testing was incorrect giving the impression that there were 3 different cells when in fact there was just 2 versions, both genuine, just one being a newer but still authentic version :)

A proper model number stamped on the wrapper would have done away with any confusion. 

 

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I think that a lot of the problem is the fact that as there are so many fake Chinese items of all sorts in the market place that we as buyers are rightly suspicious of the slightest deviation from what we perceive to be a genuine item.
But yes something on the wrapper, packaging, invoice or selling site de-noting that there was a new version with slightly different specs would have stopped any confusion.
If this had been a new version of something from a respected manufacturer from another part of the world then even without confirmation from the manufacturer that the item had been changed there would probably not have been an issue but as we all know where China & cells are concerned you do need, understandably, to be cautious.
Anyway I am confident that my Basen“s are genuine & perform perfectly well in my lights Smile

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By the way, this may be a tad off-topic but, after a more careful check on that high drain 26650 battery review, I can clearly see lots of batteries with large button tops attached. Know what? I more or less recently detached (with multitool plus cut-off disks) the LB tops of a pair of King Kongs I was making a power-bank with, and discovered that puny 2mm wide and ⅜inch long strips of unknown material were the connectors between the real flat top of the battery and the fake LB top.

 

Mind you, when you try to pump 30A out of a battery, just 0'01Ω of connection resistance will drop a massive 0'3V and a whopping 9W of power through it… surprised

For comparison purposes, ≈22'85mm of 28AWG copper wire has that resistance.

FYI: just checked out the conductivity of Nickel, the material those bonding strips are usually made if I'm not wrong: less than ¼th the conductivity of copper. Uuuh! Tired

More info: AWG28 copper wire has slightly more conductivity than a 2×0'15mm nickel strip (not to say some of those strips are made of nickel-coated steel).

What do you think about this?

 

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