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Awesome review vid. That shows us, ermmm, exactly nothing. Why bother???

That’s like reviewing a car without driving it.

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Mstevens113 wrote:
Awesome review vid. That shows us, ermmm, exactly nothing. Why bother???

That’s like reviewing a car without driving it.

Because that’s not a review, just showing the light and the modes. Submitted by a flashlight selling website.

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May I have the code?

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Interesting. That’s going to be one floody light for sure. What kind of amp draw will the boost driver be pulling from the battery to get 2800? 6amps+?

Using P2 flux bin, 90% optical efficiency and 85% driver efficiency, will take 22.10 Watts to reach 2817 lumens. So 6.13A input from battery @ 3.6V.

The problem with using a different battery is going to be the proprietary end cap or PCB. Streamlight has been building batteries like this for a long time. I’ve modded higher capacity batteries to work, but it requires re-using the parts of an OEM battery or machining a replacement cap out of delrin and wrapping your own.

Looks like a nice light, I’m interested.

-Michael

ETA: Those numbers looked somewhat conservative to me, so I went back and checked, seems the PCT program isn’t loading parameters correctly. Not sure what the deal is, installed a No Track plugin a few days ago and it may be responsible. They should be fairly close but the Tj and Optical Efficiency are going to cause it to be lower than actual.

Also, no runtime listed for Turbo, so I’m guessing with its thermal regulation it won’t stay there long.

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Mstevens113 wrote:
Awesome review vid. That shows us, ermmm, exactly nothing. Why bother??? That's like reviewing a car without driving it.

 

He states that the video is not a review. 

Because he sells at https://www.selected-lights.de/ he does the videos just to show the products on camera and any revues will be done by members of http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/.

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Ahh, ok, didnt speak the lingo so what he said meant nothing to me.

Still, if I was trying to sell something I’d try to show off what it can do a bit more.

Hopefully a proper review comes along soon which gives a better overall impression.

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I downloaded the manual from the link provided in the first post. The light will NOT operate in turbo mode without the proprietary battery. Everything else apparently will function with a regular 18650. Obviously, this means putting another powerhouse battery in the light will be counterproductive.

Turbo mode is good for 15 minutes of runtime.

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chasm22 wrote:
I downloaded the manual from the link provided in the first post. The light will NOT operate in turbo mode without the proprietary battery. Everything else apparently will function with a regular 18650. Obviously, this means putting another powerhouse battery in the light will be counterproductive.

Turbo mode is good for 15 minutes of runtime.

Nice find! with a normal 18650 the highest mode would be 1350lm for 4minutes, bummer…

http://flashlight.nitecore.com/html/uploads/ueditor/image/product/TM03/T...

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Anyone want to know more about the “proprietary” cell? The expensive Nitecore TM-03 battery that is “high drain” and “high capacity”?

I bought a back-up directly from the “NitecoreStore”. It came in today, before the light made it. And who’d a thunk what I found inside? A simple little ol Panasonic PF! That’s right, with circuitry top and bottom making it proprietary! Figure I’ll take the circuitry off and attach it to a Samsung 30Q and see what happens. Smile

Yep, I paid $20 for an old Panasonic PF with a circuit on it (that now won’t work in the light it was made for!) Wish me luck on the 30Q….

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Anyone want to know more about the “proprietary” cell? The expensive Nitecore TM-03 battery that is “high drain” and “high capacity”?

I bought a back-up directly from the “NitecoreStore”. It came in today, before the light made it. And who’d a thunk what I found inside? A simple little ol Panasonic PF! That’s right, with circuitry top and bottom making it proprietary! Figure I’ll take the circuitry off and attach it to a Samsung 30Q and see what happens. Smile

Yep, I paid $20 for an old Panasonic PF with a circuit on it (that now won’t work in the light it was made for!) Wish me luck on the 30Q….

Do you have an article about batteries explaining those nomenclatures?

I did think those panasonics are the best. Shocked

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Wow Dale… I seriously did NOT expect that. I was expecting a 30Q or HG2, since Nitecore made so much fuzz about this “special high drain battery”. I hope you have made it work with the 30Q.

I’m also surprised on how wrongly used is the IMR chemistry term.

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Do you have an article about batteries explaining those nomenclatures?

I did think those panasonics are the best. Shocked

Many years ago, probably true. But for today’s standards the PF does not even compare with a medium-drain.

We don’t have articles explaining nomenclatures, we have tests: (actually I think we do have such articles but a test shows it better)

The orbtronic 18650PD is based on the panasonic PF cell as per HJK’s review.

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That applies for 3400mha too?

Whats considered med and high drain?

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The PF is/was a decent cell, but lower internal resistance cells took over by allowing much higher currents in our FET driver based lights. Cells like the Efest Purple 35A, LG HE-2, HE-4, Samsung 30Q, there are quite a few these days that outperform the PF series from Panasonic. Even their own BD has higher capacity with better current capabilities.

To the best of my knowledge the circuitry is a protection circuit for over-discharge and low voltage protection, we’ll need someone more familiar with electronics to verify what that circuit is. There’s no components at the tail.

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Franz wrote:
That applies for 3400mha too?

Whats considered med and high drain?

There isn’t a fixed definition but for our use a high drain is a battery rated to supply constant 10A, or a triple XP-L direct drive setup. If the 3,400mah you refer to is the panasonic NCR18650BD than that is a very low drain cell.

Med drain:
-Sanyo GA
-LG MJ1
-Samsung 35E

High drain;
-Samsung 30Q
-LG HG2
-Sony VTC5/6

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Thanks Dale and Will34, I’m newbie with that Big Smile

Those high drain cannot come with protection circuit?

I bought those too: http://www.banggood.com/4PCS-3_7V-2600mah-Button-Top-Protected-18650-Lit...

How many amps those can push?

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Wow very unexpected, but nice find Dale. I really hope you are able to wire up that 30q.
And if you do, who knows…we may possibly see 3300 lumens!

I’m actually surprised you purchased this light in the first place. What made you want it?
Would have thought u go klarus g20 or olight r50 route or acebeam ec50 version 2 ?

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WOW

nice find Dale!

PLEASE NOTE
i do not work in "reviews, deals and codes" for the time being
maybe M4D M4X will return one day, but until then:

THANK YOU FOR YEARS OF YOUR SUPPORT AND FRIENDLY CONTACTS!

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blueb8llz wrote:
Wow very unexpected, but nice find Dale. I really hope you are able to wire up that 30q.
And if you do, who knows…we may possibly see 3300 lumens!

I’m actually surprised you purchased this light in the first place. What made you want it?
Would have thought u go klarus g20 or olight r50 route or acebeam ec50 version 2 ?

The stock output are already exceeded 3300 lumens though around 3500, check mhanlen’s review.
I can vouch for his accuracy, as i also have this light and have proper means for estimation.

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I look forward to putting the TM03 in the lightbox with the stock specialized cell and hopefully a Samsung 30Q variant, will be interesting to see if there’s an output difference. My TM03 is on the way…

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im really hoping the 30q works, and that it pushes the power for the strobe mode because it is waaaay under performing right now in stock form.

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Not sure how you can take that stance, it far exceeds what any other 6V emitter does on a single cell.

But yeah, my goal is to see what can be done to push it. lol I don’t know where I got that idea, I mean, who’d do such a thing?

<—- walks away whistling

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DB Custom wrote:
Not sure how you can take that stance, it far exceeds what any other 6V emitter does on a single cell.

But yeah, my goal is to see what can be done to push it. lol I don’t know where I got that idea, I mean, who’d do such a thing?

<—- walks away whistling

i was only referring to strobe mode. i think i measured no more than 1000 lumens.
but yea , on turbo mode, this light kicks ass at over 3000 lumens.
i was really hoping that the strobe mode would also be 3000 lumens, which would have made it nice for a self defense situation, i was pretty dissapointed about that.

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I would imagine that the Boost driver has spikes that would end up frying the emitter if used in full power on strobe. Something like that, anyway.

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I am curious, as well.

PM with the price, please?

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same here ,pm me price pls.

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Yeah, I’d take one for free too!

Sounds like a nice powerful light, but the proprietary battery required for full functionality makes it much less desirable considering the $100 buy in. Clearly it’s not for me. What a shame they couldn’t make it work 100% with regular 18650s.

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Who got one for free?

The people that get a light at no charge to do a review certainly have to work for it, a good review is a time consuming and painstaking ordeal that can take several days to complete, and then there’s the plethora of questions that arise and usually more measurements and such. Might seem free, but it’s a fairly expensive free!

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The strobe mode uses random frequencies alternating. When it’s on high frequency it looks like it outputs a 1000 lumens. But when it’s blasting on low frequency it clearly puts out a whole lot more than 1000. My thinking is that maybe that’s the way this light’s emitter works. It needs time to reach higher lumens which a higher frequency prevented it.

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DB Custom wrote:
Who got one for free?

The people that get a light at no charge to do a review certainly have to work for it, a good review is a time consuming and painstaking ordeal that can take several days to complete, and then there’s the plethora of questions that arise and usually more measurements and such. Might seem free, but it’s a fairly expensive free!

There was a gent at the bottom of the first page who stated that he’d take one for free (from Uruguay?). I seemingly turned around and another page filled up before I could post. (Maybe I didn’t refresh my page? I dunno.)

Please don’t jump to conclusions when reading what I’ve written. I’m perfectly capable of insulting folks openly and so that there is no doubt to my intent when I have a mind to do so. Smile That’s a very rare occurrence and I never fire the first shot.

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Brian, wasn’t implying that you insulted anyone, just didn’t see where anyone got a review sample. And yes, we’re aware of how insulting you can be. Silly (relax! Just messin with ya! lol) [some of the newer folks don’t realize what goes into a review, which is why I said what I said up above.]

blueb8llz, I like the style of it and the fact they have managed a new threshold in the boost game. Until this one, the boost circuits were keeping outputs low, for some reason this one piqued my interest, in no small part the style of the dual switch mechanism on the tail cap. Had to see what that was all about. And I like deep reflectors. Drawn to em, not exactly sure why. Solarforce Skyline I kinda started it, the Barracuda in more recent times, and now this one. (My Skyline I now has an MT-G2, pretty sweet, opposite end of the spectrum from where this light started out. Wink )

I might end up using an LD-2 or Zener modifed FET driver with 2 18350 cells in this TM03 just for the fun of it, who knows. Slice and dice perhaps? Depends on how well it works in hand and if I stay impressed with it.

First I’ll try to put the circuitry on a 30Q and see how that works out. Then, if it doesn’t make sufficient gains, I’ll try to adapt the light to run on a standard cell without the circuit panel. From there, might just change everything inside. I tend to wing it and so things just happen as they happen. (It might prove to be a really cool MT-G2 light. Wink )

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