[2016-06-11] Crackdown on rudeness

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sb is never missing in action. He’s just the shy silent type at times. Silly
However MRsDNF: Last seen: 11 min 57 sec ago SB: Last seen: 2 days 28 min ago

Funny how quick things become out of date. Wink

 

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Hello everyone, just checking in. Innocent

Howdy! You know you are doing something right when you enforce rules AND are missed when you are gone Big Smile

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Hello everyone, just checking in. Innocent

Howdy! You know you are doing something right when you enforce rules AND are missed when you are gone Big Smile

Where’s your donate button (seriously) Smile

Wink Thanks so much to everyone for thinking of me… even if you are thinking of me under a bus. LOL

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MRsDNF wrote:
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sb is never missing in action. He’s just the shy silent type at times. Silly
However MRsDNF: Last seen: 11 min 57 sec ago SB: Last seen: 2 days 28 min ago

Funny how quick things become out of date. Wink

Even funnier is the current date there down under! Big Smile

Great to hear from you MRsDNF!

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I don’t like seeing photo’s of dead animal’s. Sad

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Haha, in the rude thread no less.

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Thank you again, SB.

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OK, this thread has been cleaned up and the offending user has been permanently banned. My apologies to those who were offended by the trash that he posted.

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Haha, in the rude thread no less.

Seemed to me he was trying to get the hammer. He ran quite a string of ‘jokes’ in the joke thread, all the while racking up rudeness ‘points’ and then joking about that as well, before coming here to do the same. Maybe he was trying to get banned so he could go back to some other forum and brag about being banned from the friendliest forum on the planet! At least to me, that’s the only thing that makes sense. But who really knows with trolls?

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Haha, in the rude thread no less.

Seemed to me he was trying to get the hammer. He ran quite a string of ‘jokes’ in the joke thread, all the while racking up rudeness ‘points’ and then joking about that as well, before coming here to do the same. Maybe he was trying to get banned so he could go back to some other forum and brag about being banned from the friendliest forum on the planet! At least to me, that’s the only thing that makes sense. But who really knows with trolls?

I had the same thought (except why, very interesting theory) but so what, in this case then ends do justify the means.

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Hi SB,

do not understand me wrong, i like the rude button, even when i m 0/10 Wink

i ve seen the pictures dealing with animals.
And yes, you are right to delete it immediatly!
Also punish this disgusting, crazy pietätlos guy.

But: Banned him permanent! Not only some days/weeks.

Is this the way you want to act in future?
Maybe i should read the forum rules..

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But: Banned him permanent! Not only some days/weeks.

Is this the way you want to act in future?

Well, I don’t want to ban anybody. But there is simply no place here for hateful racists, which he proved to be. Truly disgusting behavior like that is pretty much a one-shot offense here.

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Jesjes wrote:
Hi SB,

do not understand me wrong, i like the rude button, even when i m 0/10 Wink

i ve seen the pictures dealing with animals.
And yes, you are right to delete it immediatly!
Also punish this disgusting, crazy pietätlos guy.

But: Banned him permanent! Not only some days/weeks.

Is this the way you want to act in future?
Maybe i should read the forum rules..

Okay, I have no idea what this guy did, but…

I tend to agree that permanent bans are a bad idea. All it does against a troll, is let him know he “won”, and he can create a new account and start all over again. A temporary ban, however, might not be worth him creating a new account, so he might wait awhile, and in the meantime cool off and forget about trolling here.

I think the new “Rudeness” meter is giving trolls an indication of whether they are being successful, before they get banned.

If it is just someone off his meds (not a troll), then a permanent ban seems harsh.

Of course, I’m assuming he’s not posting anything illegal or stuff like that. Like I said, I have no idea what this guy did.

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Okay, I have no idea what this guy did, but…


I’m glad you didn’t have to read his disgusting posts. For those of us who did, I’m pretty sure the justification for a permanent ban is sadly obvious.

Incidentally, he did receive a very clear warning PM from me first, which he blatantly ignored.

Normally, I don’t publicly announce a ban to avoid giving more publicity to bad behavior. But in this case I felt an obligation to do so, in order for those who read his vitriol to know that it was handled, and that those sentiments are completely and utterly incompatible with everything I believe in and what I want this forum to be.

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Hi Jesjes,

He was not accidentally touching the curbstones. No, he was intentionally driving off-road. Again and again. People confronted him about his attitude and he laughed that away (too). There is an expression for what happened to him:
who doesn’t want to listen, has to feel the consequences. AKA: Wer nicht hören will muss fühlen.

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Maybe i should read the forum rules.

Yes.

Is it feasible to have the signup page include a field (e.g., Initial Here: ____) so a prospective user can confirm having read and accepted the forum rules?
That can remove the opportunity for recreational disputation.

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Sorry for want..
Better will, or do..
I didnt want to offend you, only to think about it.
English is not my motherlanguage.
And if i m honest i even dont like it at all, but i m happy we found one so we all can talk together!

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Maybe i should read the forum rules.

Yes.

Is it feasible to have the signup page include a field (e.g., Initial Here: ____) so a prospective user can confirm having read and accepted the forum rules?


Possibly, but even that wouldn’t prevent a truly hateful and malicious person like what we saw from posting their trash, if that’s what they want to do.

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Jesjes wrote:
Sorry for want..
Better will, or do..
I didnt want to offend you, only to think about it.
English is not my motherlanguage.
And if i m honest i even dont like it at all, but i m happy we found one so we all can talk together!

No worries, and no offense taken. Beer

I’m not sure at what point you saw the incident, but his attack was not limited just to the animal pictures. There were numerous other posts with garbage that was even worse. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, then I’m glad for you because you didn’t have to see it. Smile

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The permanent ban for this guy was absolutely justified. He was a racist piece of you know what.

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Maybe i should read the forum rules.

Yes.

Is it feasible to have the signup page include a field (e.g., Initial Here: ____) so a prospective user can confirm having read and accepted the forum rules?


Possibly, but even that wouldn’t prevent a truly hateful and malicious person like what we saw from posting their trash, if that’s what they want to do.

It wouldn’t have helped this time, even when the rules were pointed out to him he still chose to ignore them.

Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements? If a user agreement on a wèbsite is too long for me to concentrate on I walk away, but most people I know would just accept it without reading. Reminds me of the NSFW South Park humancentipad episode.

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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

Yeah, I HATE when they make me do that! Silly

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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

Yeah, I HATE when they make me do that! Silly

The next iteration will be where they actually time you to make sure you don’t flash-scroll it. Silly At which point I will immediately abandon the software and switch to an open source solution.

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sb56637 wrote:
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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

Yeah, I HATE when they make me do that! Silly

The next iteration will be where they actually time you to make sure you don’t flash-scroll it. Silly At which point I will immediately abandon the software and switch to an open source solution.

I had the same thought, but how do you know a speed reader from a slow one.
I do wish they would write them in everyday English, simplified and to the point.
Of course its in their interest to not do so Sad

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sb56637 wrote:
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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

Yeah, I HATE when they make me do that! Silly

The next iteration will be where they actually time you to make sure you don’t flash-scroll it. Silly At which point I will immediately abandon the software and switch to an open source solution.

Following that will be the EULA test that needs a 90%+ pass rate to be able to accept it Sick

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wouldn’t prevent

Sure. Nothing prevents the first crap in the public space, unless you turn moderation on (if the software even allows that).
And that’s only needed if your site’s being attacked by a gang. Which happens. Then either moderating, or just no updates for a day or two, bores that sort and they quit signing up and go away, when they don’t get their fun.

I suggest affirming having read the rules on signing up — at least Rule 1 — to preclude ongoing argument about the rules (e.g. by sock-puppets) when an account is deleted because it’s been breaking the rules.

It says right there in Rule 1 that’s a consequence. Can’t argue with that.

Sometimes a site will start attracting people who enjoy disputation, for a while, til they get bored.
Long argument about the rules is part of that pattern, e.g. the link I posted earlier: http://suburbdad.blogspot.com/2006/10/victim-bullies.html

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sb56637 wrote:
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Besides, do the majority of people even read rules/user agreements?


I doubt it. Ever seen those EULAs on software where it disables the “Accept” checkbox until you actually scroll the whole document from top to bottom?

Yeah, I HATE when they make me do that! Silly

The next iteration will be where they actually time you to make sure you don’t flash-scroll it. Silly At which point I will immediately abandon the software and switch to an open source solution.

Even worse, the next iteration will probably be like those silly ‘Gallery’ style articles where you have to click thirty times to read thirty sentences full of useless drivel while looking at pictures that have nothing to do with the click-bait title that got you there. Evil

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hank wrote:

Sometimes a site will start attracting people who enjoy disputation, for a while, til they get bored.
Long argument about the rules is part of that pattern, e.g. the link I posted earlier: http://suburbdad.blogspot.com/2006/10/victim-bullies.html

Right, I agree that this could happen. But so far most of the people here aren’t arguing about the rule on banning for rudeness, they’re just confused about why it happened in this case because there is no record of the trash he posted.

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